Keep The Commandments

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Ariel82

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It appears to me the disagreement is on OSAS not the commandments. Maybe someone can start a new topic?
HI Laodicea, would you like to talk about King David and how he kept the commandments?

What lessons the life of King David shows us?

How God's mercy and grace and love overcomes our human ignorance?

I think we should strive to follow God's commandments, but more than that we should understand WHY God gave them to us in the first place.

Jesus came to tell us that its not enough to have an outward obedience to the commandments, it is more important to see the inward purpose.

Servants serve their masters, Slaves only obey orders. God wants us to be His children.

Personally I want to be able to call Jesus my friend and Jesus tells us His friends understand the WHY behind the orders.

God entrusts us with so many blessings.

When we understand what it means when Jesus says "I will have mercy not sacrifice" then we will see that things that have been label "commandments" are not "set in stone" in that the priest PROFANE the Sabbath to circumcise a male child on the eight day even if it is Sabbath day. Jesus did WORK on the Sabbath.

therefore the rules and "laws" would be outwardly broken, however God sees the HEART of a person and knows that they are seeking to please GOD and not themselves.

If I were to explain it to a child, I would tell them a story because that was how best I learnt it.

A mother gives her child $2 for lunch and stern instruction NOT to lose it or use it for anything else but lunch. At the same time she has been teaching Him about Jesus and compassion.

As the child walks to school, he sees a homeless person missing a leg and hungry. Instead of using the money for his lunch, he gives it to the man.

Should the mother punish the child for disobeying her or should she fall on her knees and thank God that the child's heart was open and loving enough to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit?

I know the Sabbath is a hot button topic for some people.

I'm find if people want to follow an altered form of Jewish customs and pretend to keep the Sabbath rituals, minus the animal sacrifice, temple rituals, Aaron priesthood, etc. To me its the same as people who keep the rituals and customs surround Easter and Christmas.

they are manmade traditions that remind people of GOD.

As long as the message GOD intends to give is not lost in the rituals and the outward show. its fine.

However, when pride and hypocrisy enters the hearts of the people who keep the outward show. then there is a problem because they have lost sight of the inward purity and do not display the fruits of walking with the HOLY Spirit.

Galatians 5
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[SUP][c][/SUP] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, [SUP]20 [/SUP]idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, [SUP]21 [/SUP]envy, murders,[SUP][d][/SUP] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. [SUP]25 [/SUP]If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Explain why you would ask me that question then.??? Can you? Why didn't you aske me how I felt about what king David did? Why did you seek to set me up, so that you might accuse me of error? That was very evil of you,, Don't you think,, casting a net to snare me??? Whay would you stoop to such a level?
Maybe because you do the exact same thing when you ask about your pet sins.. is this a do as a say not what I do thread?

I assure you,, you are not playing with kids. I know the scripture better than you think. That is why you have resorted to suggesting removing me. I oppose you, and you do not like that. Do as you desire.
Don;t puff yourself up so much, People are talking about reporting you because of your rude and arrogant remarks.. Which are uncalled for!

it has nothing to do with your bible knowledge, believe me!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I know what you teach. I have been warned against those who teach as you do.
Thanks, Again youjust proved what I meant about being spoofed! You have no diea what I believe, you prove it everytime you say I believe or say something I dont!

If we agreed, we would not have arrived where we are now. This was bound to happen. it will happen on nearly every topic that has to do with Salvation. if it doesn't deal with Salvation,, we might agree,, but there is a major gap between us, I will agree with that.
As long as you continue to say I think we can sin as much as we want with no consequences (which is a lie). Your right. As long as you continue to say God will save someone he KNOWS will continue in sin, or one day reject him, Your right. we are 100 degrees out.

My faith is in God. Not self..


So, if you want to kick me offf, or threraten me, have at it....

I'm not shutting up, I'm not compromising Gods Commandments to get along with anybody. And that is what you teach. post 348 is evidence enough for me.. So, like I said, you are not going to wipe your feet on me. I'd rather be kicked. Although there is no reason to do such a thing.. you just don't like folks that oppose you,, neither does Satan.
So get your gang together and have me kicked because I oppose you and those who believe your false teachings.
Once again, you refuse to admit you were wrong in your interpretation of what I said. I see you refuse to answer anything I said about that post. I think the whole room sees you are not here to do anything but hype yourself.

Your not proclaiming God, Your proclaiming self. So forgive those of us who reject your self based salvation. and forgive us if we want to seek out a God based salvation. so we can not only be saved eternally. But understand HOW to obey Gods commands..

You focus on the negative, We will focus on the positive.
 
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Laodicea

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Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

This text says that by yielding or surrender to God we become servants of obedience. So what about if a person is doing that and chooses to turn away from God?

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

So we are to obey God by surrender. We are to be perfect. Perfect in surrender.
 

Grandpa

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I will not compromise Gods law for the sake of getting along with you or anybody. I will not teach that it is okay to break Gods Law.

I will hold & maintain my position til Jesus appears!

Satan encourages those who teach against obeying God. And he despies me. And he will set as many as he can against all who teach that we are to keep the Commandments of God as well as the faith that Jesus is the Messiah.

I know some of you here despise me. I'm okay with it. I expect it.

Satan is on this site. To think we have an exclusive site where Satan is banned is foolish.

The spirit of satan is busy teaching men to oppose God by either rejecting his law or by rejecting His Son, or both. He uses interesting philosophies to decieve. And we listen to them here daily.

You haven't heard John832 nor I teach that we are to dismiss Gods law, nor dismiss Jesus. But, we have been accused of keeping Gods law as if our own work has saved us even though we both claim Jesus. So,, it's obvious, that it isn't about our Savior that we have.

It's about keeping Gods Law... And Satan is highly disturbed at those who keep Gods Law and claim Jesus!!!!

The author of this Thread is also a Commandment keeper. He too is despised because of it. And all 3 of us are Sabbath keepers. Interesting eh?

My position remains. I'm unmovable when it comes to obeying God. I say we keep Gods commandments, even the Sabbath. And I'm not compromising. Case closed.
You are attempting to obey the commandments by your flesh and by the will of your carnal mind. You are teaching that it is the flesh and carnal mind that must keep these commandments.

That does not oppose satan in the slightest. The enemy wants to keep you using the power of your own flesh and carnal mind. Because he knows your flesh and carnal mind are utterly doomed to condemnation and death and there is nothing you can do to get out of it. There is nothing you can do to get out of this condemnation and death.

But there is One who can do something. The Lord Jesus Christ. Keeping His commandments by the power of your flesh and carnal mind doesn't cause the Lord to think you are righteous. It causes you to walk in the shadows. If you want to walk in the light as He is in the light then you must come to Him and ask.

It is by the Lord and only by the Lord that we are saved. Keeping of commandments and the study of commandments are the schoolmaster that brings you to Him. In that way the commandments are a great blessing to us. They are a great blessing because they bring us to the source of being blessed. The Lord Jesus Christ.

You know why humility and coming to Christ as a child would is so important? Because there is a way that seems right to a man but the end thereof is death.

You don't yet understand that your flesh and carnal mind directly oppose God. In every way.

Its funny some fleshly carnal guy trying to explain the spiritual to another fleshly carnal guy. Blind guys probably do better describing rainbows to each other...

For some reason when the Law is preached it is like this giant brick wall comes up and people get their feathers all ruffled up. Everyone seems to twist the Law into something that they can keep by their flesh. The bible tells you that is NOT the way. But that doesn't seem right to you...
 

JaumeJ

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Going through the thread I am seeing a lot of posts where the word "coy" applies. I am outta here.
 
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danschance

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Going through the thread I am seeing a lot of posts where the word "coy" applies. I am outta here.

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I don't see Coyness on this thread. I don't get it.
 
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You are attempting to obey the commandments by your flesh and by the will of your carnal mind. You are teaching that it is the flesh and carnal mind that must keep these commandments.

That does not oppose satan in the slightest. The enemy wants to keep you using the power of your own flesh and carnal mind. Because he knows your flesh and carnal mind are utterly doomed to condemnation and death and there is nothing you can do to get out of it. There is nothing you can do to get out of this condemnation and death.

But there is One who can do something. The Lord Jesus Christ. Keeping His commandments by the power of your flesh and carnal mind doesn't cause the Lord to think you are righteous. It causes you to walk in the shadows. If you want to walk in the light as He is in the light then you must come to Him and ask.

It is by the Lord and only by the Lord that we are saved. Keeping of commandments and the study of commandments are the schoolmaster that brings you to Him. In that way the commandments are a great blessing to us. They are a great blessing because they bring us to the source of being blessed. The Lord Jesus Christ.

You know why humility and coming to Christ as a child would is so important? Because there is a way that seems right to a man but the end thereof is death.

You don't yet understand that your flesh and carnal mind directly oppose God. In every way.

Its funny some fleshly carnal guy trying to explain the spiritual to another fleshly carnal guy. Blind guys probably do better describing rainbows to each other...

For some reason when the Law is preached it is like this giant brick wall comes up and people get their feathers all ruffled up. Everyone seems to twist the Law into something that they can keep by their flesh. The bible tells you that is NOT the way. But that doesn't seem right to you...
I understand you disagree with me,, I am a 7th Day Adventist. I stand alone, by myself. And I disagree with all of you. I have been a 7th day adventist for nearly 20 years. I am ready to die and go to hell for my beliefs. I will not change my mind. I believe I am right. I will never conform to your false teachings. Get hell ready for me,, as I know you people have judged me already.

I'm okay with that. So,, you are beating a dead horse. I more tghan ready to die for my 7th Day adventist beliefs. It does sadden me, that my fellow adventists, haave abandoned me.. But,, That's okay,, I can go it alone.
 
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Maybe because you do the exact same thing when you ask about your pet sins.. is this a do as a say not what I do thread?



Don;t puff yourself up so much, People are talking about reporting you because of your rude and arrogant remarks.. Which are uncalled for!

it has nothing to do with your bible knowledge, believe me!

Report away,, I have no respect for you. I'm guilty of disagreeing with you,, And when you see opposition,, you and your cohorts who despise Gods law will seek to remove me..

Here in the United States,, we have a President (Obama) that hates the Republican Party. He is currently attempting to destroy it because it opposes him...You both have the same mentality.. If it opposes your false teachings,, you seek to have it oppresed by removing the opposition.,, Have at it!
 

loveme1

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Michael50, why do you Keep the Commandments of GOD?
 

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Jesus - Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. - Matthew 5:19


 
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Laodicea

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Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

This text says that by yielding or surrender to God we become servants of obedience. So what about if a person is doing that and chooses to turn away from God?

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

So we are to obey God by surrender. We are to be perfect. Perfect in surrender.
When we see something in the law of God that points out our sin we are to surrender to God. The result then of surrender is obedience.
 
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Jesus - Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. - Matthew 5:19


I teach we are to keep the Commandments of God. Others here teach that we can disobey God,, Salvation is assured.
 

loveme1

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Sometimes we can let frustration be come us.

Take a deep breath and remember we serve and humility and compassion is also asked of us.
 
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you will never stand alone then my friend.
I do here. I used to have alot of troubles when I was in school. I was picked on everyday. I had to fight nearly everyday on the walk home from school. I had a couple friends. My friends were afraid to walk with me. They said they were afraid that they too might get beat up.
I asked my friend to carry my books one day,, as I knew I would have to fight. He did. But I could see, that he didn't even want to do that.

I stand alone, and I'm fine with it. Perhaps all the troubles i had to face alone as a child has strengthened me to withstand those who claim to know God and do not! I certainly feel the wrath of the clique on CC,, that's for sure.