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Crazy Quotes from Ellen G. WHite.
By Robert K. Sanders


When I come across Ellen G. White's (EGW) crazy quotes doing research, I wonder how I ever believed this stuff—for 37 years. When I read them now I have a good laugh. I hope you see the humor in them also.


  • Excessive seeing is a sin: "Excessive indulgence in eating, drinking, sleeping, or SEEING, is sin." —Counsels on Diet and Foods, page 141, written in 1880. I guess EGW did not want her help "seeing" her excessive indulgence in eating meat, oysters, drinking wine, and stealing material for her books from uninspired authors.
  • Piano tuners deal with insanity: In many cases I have advised out-of-door work for piano tuners, telling them that unless they changed their business, they would have to deal with insanity. —Letter 104, 1901. I wonder how many piano tuners tried to tune pianos out-of-doors in the winter so they would not go insane? Really! Perhaps wearing gloves would help keep them from going insane! How many piano tuners have gone insane?
  • Having an upset stomach will make infidels: Deranged stomachs have made infidels. You can be a preacher of righteousness in this respect. The greatness of the work that may be accomplished in the lines of health reform has not been comprehended or appreciated. There is religion in the making of good bread. I hope you will consider these things, and realize that your work is of consequence. —Manuscript Releases, Volume Fourteen, page 342, paragraph 2. Would taking Pepto-Bismo after being gassed up eating SDA Veggie meat keep you from becoming infidels? And I always thought an infidel was a person that rejected Christ or was not a Christian—not caused by a deranged stomach.
  • Tea and coffee drinking loosens the tongue: When these tea and coffee users meet together for social entertainment, the effects of their pernicious habit are manifest. All partake freely of the favorite beverages, and as the stimulating influence is felt, their tongues are loosened, and they begin the wicked work of talking against others. —Counsels on Diet and Foods, p. 423. SDAs must drink a lot of coffee and tea in secret. I remember some church members back-stabbing their fellow church members when they get together in their clicks. If you find this going on in your church, suggest that they lay off the coffee and tea!
  • Showing face and head are immodest: I was shown that the people of God should not imitate the fashions of the world... I was pointed back to God's ancient people, and was led to compare their apparel with the mode of dress in these last days. What a difference! What a change! Then the women were not so bold as now. WHEN THEY WENT IN PUBLIC, THEY COVERED THEIR FACES WITH A VAIL. In these last days, fashions are shameful and immodest...The small bonnets, exposing the face and head, show a lack of modesty...The inhabitants are growing more and more corrupt... —Testimonies, Volume 1, pp. 188; 189. EGW would have supported the Muslim women wearing veils and burquas. EGW sure did not have her faced covered, so she was a bare faced hypocrite. See her pictures that she claimed were idols.
  • Angels need a gold card to get in and out of heaven: There is perfect order and harmony in the Holy City. All the angels that are commissioned to visit the earth hold a golden card, which they present to the angels at the gates of the city as they pass in and out. —Early Writings (1882), page 39. (Do angels really need a gold ID card to get in and out of heaven? Can evil angels deceive the loyal angels to get into heaven? Why did God withhold this important piece of information from Christians for over 2000 years?)
  • Women should not allow wet-nurses to suckle their babies or the babies will take on the temper and temperament of the nurse. A stranger performs the duties of the mother and gives from her breast the food to sustain life. Nor is this all. She also imparts her temper and her temperament to the nursing child. The child's life is linked to hers. If the hireling is a coarse type of woman, passionate, and unreasonable; if she is not careful in her morals, the nursling will be, in all probability, of the same, or a similar type. The same coarse quality of blood, coursing in the veins of the hireling nurse, is in that of the child. —The Health Reformer, September 1, 1871, paragraph 7. Ellen claims that if the wet nurse is a course woman with low morals the baby will have the same nature. Really? This means when the milk is digested by the baby and turned into blood, the brain will recognize that the milk came from a woman of low morals and pass that nature to the baby. Let us ask this question, if the milk the baby drinks comes from a cow, does the baby have the morals and nature of a cow? Please be concerned if the baby starts mooing. The low morals that babies have are not from the food they eat, but being born with a carnal nature. A former SDA lady wrote me that her mother is a real EGW fanatic and nothing that she says to her mother will move her from believing in EGW. This lady drank a glass of milk and then mooed in her mother's ear which her mother did not find funny. At another time she whispered in her mother's ear that she had a need to go outdoors and eat some alfalfa and hay. Even humor sometimes does not help a person to admit they have been deceived.
  • What is the most worthless job angels have on planet Earth? Watching over the dust of Wm. Miller says EGW in one of her "I saw" moments! God suffered him to come under the power of Satan, and death to have dominion over him. He hid him in the grave, away from those who were constantly drawing him from God. Moses erred just as he was about to enter the promised land. So also, I saw that Wm. Miller erred as he was soon to enter the heavenly Canaan, in suffering his influence to go against the truth. Others led him to this. Others must account for it. But angels watch the precious dust of this servant of God, and he will come forth at the sound of the last trump. —Spiritual Gifts, Volume 1 (1858), page 168. William Miller’s membership in the Masonic Order has been a matter of public record, in print, since 1853. Miller died in 1849. In 1858, nine years after Miller's death EGW had one of her visions from God where she pronounced him coming forth in the resurrection. This is important because EGW made it clear those that belonged to the Masons would lose their souls. Why did God tell Ellen that Miller would be saved and then give her another vision that those belonging to Masons would lose their souls? Any rational person can see EGW never received visions from God. In 1853, Sylvester Bliss noted in hisMemoirs of William Miller, pp. 21, 22: “It was here [Poultney, Vermont] that Miller became a member of the Masonic fraternity, in which his perseverance, if nothing else, was manifested; for he advanced to the highest degree which the lodges in the country, or in any in that region, could confer.” There is no doubt that Mrs. White took every opportunity to degrade men who became Freemasons. Read the words she wrote regarding Brother Faulkhead: “The Lord also revealed to me Brother Faulkhead's connection with the FreeMasons, and I plainly stated that unless he severed every tie that bound him to these associations he would lose his soul. —Selected Messages, Volume 3 p. 85: 1980 Ed. Now which is it, will Wm. Miller will be resurrected with the saints or he will lose his soul because he was a Mason? Where does the Bible tells us that angels watch over the dead or the dust of the dead?
  • In heaven there will be no color line; for all will be as white as Christ himself. I received an e-mail that brought this to my attention as follows: Thus, Adventists not only have to observe the Jewish food, sabbath, and tithing laws, but they must actually look like Jews as well in order to enter heaven and have the same skin color as Jesus had. How do I tell my sweet little, five-year old, African-American granddaughter that the color of her skin is unacceptable for heaven? EGW: "The Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, Whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance." You are the children of God. He has adopted you, and He desires you to form characters here that will give you entrance into the heavenly family. Remembering this, you will be able to bear the trials which you meet here. In heaven there will be no color line; for all will be as white as Christ himself. Let us thank God that we can be members of the royal family. —The Gospel Herald, March 1, 1901, paragraph 20, Article Title: Trust in God. Is God really going to change the color of your skin if you are not white? I f you are not white what is your reaction to this? Do you really accept EGW as a lesser light leading you to the greater light and that she is another source of truth.
From: Ellen G. White's Crazy Quotes
 
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Yes it means they knew about the sabbath, idols, false gods, adultery etc before they were given on Sinai. Also about clean and unclean foods as shown in the time of Noah's ark. Man has degenerated over time. Man used to live over 900 years, they would have been better physically and would have had better memories and since man has decreased as the Bible shows then there was a need to write things down.


The jewish ceremonial laws were given to the jews only. Christians are free from observing the Sabbath (Shabbat) and all other sabbaths and jewish celebrations including, year of Jubilee, giving the land a sabbath every 7th year, Rosh Chodesh (the new moon) in which women were required not to do any work, Passover, Yom Kippur (which is a type of sabbath in that no work is to be performed and one is to fast and pray for 24 hours, Rosh Hashanah, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Because:

Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— Col. 2:16

5One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. Romans14:5-6
So the good news for us as Christians is we are free to worship as we wish.
 
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The jewish ceremonial laws were given to the jews only. Christians are free from observing the Sabbath (Shabbat) and all other sabbaths and jewish celebrations including, year of Jubilee, giving the land a sabbath every 7th year, Rosh Chodesh (the new moon) in which women were required not to do any work, Passover, Yom Kippur (which is a type of sabbath in that no work is to be performed and one is to fast and pray for 24 hours, Rosh Hashanah, etc, etc, etc, etc.

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So the good news for us as Christians is we are free to worship as we wish.
There ya go,,, you teach disobedience to Gods 10 Commandments. (break one break them all)

I teach to obey God and keep all 10 of His Commandments, even the Sabbath.

That is the difference. You teach lawlessness, I teach Obedience.
 
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There ya go,,, you teach disobedience to Gods 10 Commandments. (break one break them all)

I teach to obey God and keep all 10 of His Commandments, even the Sabbath.

That is the difference. You teach lawlessness, I teach Obedience.
On the contrary, you are a neo-Judaizer, heaping laws on people that simply have no relevance to the modern day followers of Christ. Seventh Day Adventists even teach some foods are unclean in a jewish sense even though God Himself has declared them clean (Acts 10:9-16). Wake up and smell the coffee.
 
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On the contrary, you are a neo-Judaizer, heaping laws on people that simply have no relevance to the modern day followers of Christ. Seventh Day Adventists even teach some foods are unclean in a jewish sense even though God Himself has declared them clean (Acts 10:9-16). Wake up and smell the coffee.
Acts 10 has nothing to do with diet.. God was showing Peter that he is refer to no man as common. Otherwise peter would never have met with Cornelius,,, yet you think the whole chapter is about your selfish appetite. Go figure.
 
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Acts 10 has nothing to do with diet.. God was showing Peter that he is refer to no man as common. Otherwise peter would never have met with Cornelius,,, yet you think the whole chapter is about your selfish appetite. Go figure.

How stupid is that? You are actually going to twist scripture around to mean something it doesn't? God said Kill and eat while lowering a tablecloth to a hungry man, while food was being prepared for dinner and you error greatly by denying the clear teaching God has for us. Yet you claim this has nothing to do with diet.

Unbelievable heresy...
 
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How stupid is that? You are actually going to twist scripture around to mean something it doesn't? God said Kill and eat while lowering a tablecloth to a hungry man, while food was being prepared for dinner and you error greatly by denying the clear teaching God has for us. Yet you claim this has nothing to do with diet.

Unbelievable heresy...
And Peter was horrified! Cause Peter knew not to eat unclean meats.

God gave Peter the vision to show Peter that the Gentiles were not Unclean, as the Jews believed!!!!

God had instructed Cornelius, a gentile, to send men to visit Peter. But Peter would have refused to see them if God had not shown him the vision, because Jewish law forbade entertaining Gentiles (verse 28). But when the men finally did arrive, Peter welcomed them, explaining that ordinarily he would not have done so, but "God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean." (verse 28).. In the next chapter (acts 11) the church members criticized Peter for speaking with these Gentiles. So Peter told them the whole story of his vision and it's meaning. And Acts 11:18 says, "When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Can you explain why Peter didn't eat a pig or a buzzard after you claim he could? Any scripture that shows Peter eating Buzzards or Hogs with Cornelius? No, you don't have any scripture like that ,, do ya?

You are wrong about ellen White, you are wrong about 7th Day Adventists. You are wrong about Samuel. You are wrong about Acts 10. At least you are consistent.
 
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Laodicea

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Crazy Quotes from Ellen G. WHite.y Robert K. Sanders
This Thread is not about SDA church and Ellen White so keep it out of this thread, I have told you this so many times before. This shows you are disrespectful. This thread is about the commandments of God
 
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Laodicea

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The jewish ceremonial laws were given to the jews only. Christians are free from observing the Sabbath (Shabbat) and all other sabbaths and jewish celebrations including, year of Jubilee, giving the land a sabbath every 7th year, Rosh Chodesh (the new moon) in which women were required not to do any work, Passover, Yom Kippur (which is a type of sabbath in that no work is to be performed and one is to fast and pray for 24 hours, Rosh Hashanah, etc, etc, etc, etc.

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So the good news for us as Christians is we are free to worship as we wish.
I agree we do not have to keep the ceremonial sabbaths which were given about 2500 years after creation and were shadows pointing to the work of Christ But, the 7th day sabbath which was given before sin entered in this world and is blessed by God, the only day blessed by God. There is no text in all the Bible that says that blessing has been removed or that God has blessed any other day so therefore the Bible says this in the NT about the sabbath of the Lord.
Hebrews 4:9 KJV
(9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

G4520
σαββατισμός
sabbatismos
Thayer Definition:
1) a keeping sabbath
2) the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from a derivative of G4521
Citing in TDNT: 7:34, 989


 
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danschance

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This Thread is not about SDA church and Ellen White so keep it out of this thread, I have told you this so many times before. This shows you are disrespectful. This thread is about the commandments of God
I beg to differ. You and others are talking about keeping the sabbath. Therefore it is about the ones who think Satuday is a holy day. This is a specific extension of Seventh day Adventism.
 

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How stupid is that? You are actually going to twist scripture around to mean something it doesn't? God said Kill and eat while lowering a tablecloth to a hungry man, while food was being prepared for dinner and you error greatly by denying the clear teaching God has for us. Yet you claim this has nothing to do with diet.

Unbelievable heresy...
Just out of curiosity, why then did Peter resond this way?

Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

Now why didn't he run right downstairs and order surf and turf with shrimp cocktail for an appetizer?

Instead he did this...

Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

Cean and unclean did not seem to be the issue...

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Now here is the explanation Peter, himself, gives for this vision...

Act 11:4 But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,
Act 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
Act 11:6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
Act 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
Act 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 11:10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
Act 11:11 And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.
Act 11:12 And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
Act 11:13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

OK, where is the mention of unclean meets being cleansed? There IS NONE. This passage is instruction that the Gentiles are also granted repentance unto life.

Interesting way to put it, Peter did not say grace, he said repentance (change from breaking God's Law) but nothing is mentioned about putting unclean meats in his mouth.
 
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I beg to differ. You and others are talking about keeping the sabbath. Therefore it is about the ones who think Satuday is a holy day. This is a specific extension of Seventh day Adventism.
There are many other churches besides SDA that keep the sabbath. You have your own thread about SDA go to that and stop being disrespectful. Either stick to the Bible or get off the this thread I started.
 

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There are many other churches besides SDA that keep the sabbath. You have your own thread about SDA go to that and stop being disrespectful. Either stick to the Bible or get off the this thread I started.
I am definitely not an SDA (no offense intended), but I do keep God's Sabbath. All of the CoGs do.
 
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The issue really isn't who is, or isn't, teaching obedience. It's about what obedience is.
"Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these Commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of heaven: But whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:19

Sounds to me like it matters,, at least Jesus thinks so.. So,, I will have to side with Jesus.
 
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I agree we do not have to keep the ceremonial sabbaths which were given about 2500 years after creation and were shadows pointing to the work of Christ But, the 7th day sabbath which was given before sin entered in this world and is blessed by God, the only day blessed by God. There is no text in all the Bible that says that blessing has been removed or that God has blessed any other day so therefore the Bible says this in the NT about the sabbath of the Lord.
Hebrews 4:9 KJV
(9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

G4520
σαββατισμός
sabbatismos
Thayer Definition:
1) a keeping sabbath
2) the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from a derivative of G4521
Citing in TDNT: 7:34, 989



You claim the sabbath was before sin entered the world. Abel sacrificed an animal to God long before the Mosaic laws were laid down. So by using your reasoning, we also should be sacrificing animals for our sins.

I know you want to make it seem like there is something extraordinary about Saturday, but Sabbath (Shabbat) is part of the same system you agree does not apply to the other Jewish high days, celebrations, etc. It isn't. Shabbat has been fulfilled by Jesus. We are now free to worship on any day we please. That is why the early church did not meet on Shabbat. Instead they chose to worship and assemble on the Lord's Day, Sunday and it has been this way ever since.

Wake up! Worship God in freedom not because it is the law! Worship God because you want to, not because you have to!

What would be better, forcing your child to hug you or if they simply hugged you because they loved you? Maybe then you can realize that God prefers us to freely worship Him in whatever way we wish.
 

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I agree we do not have to keep the ceremonial sabbaths which were given about 2500 years after creation and were shadows pointing to the work of Christ But, the 7th day sabbath which was given before sin entered in this world and is blessed by God, the only day blessed by God.
And this is a point that we do not agree on, I beleive we are to keep the Feast Days (Holy Days if you prefer)...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

They are still a shadow of things to come here twenty some years after the work of Christ on the stake. But though we disagree on this, we still agree on keeing the Commandments and the Sabbath.
 
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"Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these Commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of heaven: But whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:19

Sounds to me like it matters,, at least Jesus thinks so.. So,, I will have to side with Jesus.
That was spoken before he fulfilled the law of Moses; and before the new covenant with its new law and commandments.
 
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And this is a point that we do not agree on, I beleive we are to keep the Feast Days (Holy Days if you prefer)...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

They are still a shadow of things to come here twenty some years after the work of Christ on the stake. But though we disagree on this, we still agree on keeing the Commandments and the Sabbath.

You are twisting the scripture to make it fit your own personal opinions.

You claim "These are shadows to come" and then I believe you are claiming that "meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:", are also things to come in the future. That is so far off the mark I shudder to think of what other heresy id floating around in your brain.

No christian bible scholar or greek scholar has ever agreed with you...except for those trapped in a cult. You are so far out in left field, that you are standing in the parking lot hoping to catch the ball. If that verse means what you claim they we are all to be circumcised, obey all Jewish laws including diet and high days, new moons, shabbat, etc. You are not just a Neo-Judaizer, but you sir, are Super, Duper, Uber, Noe-Judaizer, to the max. That is the worst exegesis, I have ever seen. Can't you realize that Col. 2:16 is in the present tense?

Therefore no one is to act as your judge (Present tense) in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- Col. 2:16

Col. 2:17 is not saying the Mosaic laws are shadows of things to come. Somehow you managed to swallow this doctrine of demons and are now vomiting it back out trying to deceive others. Here are other verses that disagree with your false doctrine.

4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Rom. 10:4

24Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. Romans 3:24-25

15by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, 16and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. Ephesians 2: 15-16


The Mosaic law was dead. It was fulfilled by Christ on the Cross. Only a myopic Judaizer would ever claim otherwise.
 
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That was spoken before he fulfilled the law of Moses; and before the new covenant with its new law and commandments.
How rediculous of an answer. Does that mean we can toss everything Jesus said, before He was crucified? My My,, what a slippery slope you are on.