Keep Yourself Pure

[my_adonai_]

It is true that we are not to SIN, and we must show the fruits worthy of repentance that is truly with ALL mind, hearts and souls show diligence to the WAY GOD wants for us. When we do this daily, with OUR ALL. we will reach the fullness of Christ that the LORD wants us to.
It is not about condoning sin, sin must be reproved, the works of darkness Must be reproved. but there are ways of reproving such works of darkness, this is where the Holy Spirit intervenes, at times the word of God says we should restore such one with a SPIRIT OF MEEKNESS (Gal 6:1) and the other says we should PRAY for them. and to other cases the Holy Spirit tells us to separate such a person from amongst us.
Considering the very same GOD that reject Saul as King over ISRAEL, did not immediately dethrone him but was indeed part of the lesson David had to go through inorder that he(david) becometh king. we fail to understand at times that the very chapters in the word of God and the concepts put in there are meant for Specific people such as Corinthians and the church in Ephesians, not every single word is MEANT FOR US, but GOD can pick up a lesson from them TO TEACH US and EDIFY US to become what HE WANTS US TO be and in ACCORDANCE to the CALLING that HE HAS CALLED US TO.
Every book in the bible explains the different relationships people had with GOD, in a direct manner and in an indirect manner. some had Shekinah experiences some did not. but to all GOD dealt with and allowed that their stories be put in the bible in order we understand that there are MANY witnesses in the bible, that witness of the TRUTH that GOD lives, and who JESUS CHRIST is to us. in order that we may give our lives over to HIM and FELLOWSHIP with the FATHER SON AND HOLY SPIRIT as per the leading of the HOLY SPIRIT. This is what i have learnt. and please do not distort the message am trying to put out here, if you do not understand rather ask than conclude to what i have said. please.. whatever you do not understand ASK.
God bless you all...

 

[Skinski7]

It is true that we are not to SIN, and we must show the fruits worthy of repentance that is truly with ALL mind, hearts and souls show diligence to the WAY GOD wants for us. When we do this daily, with OUR ALL. we will reach the fullness of Christ that the LORD wants us to.
It is not about condoning sin, sin must be reproved, the works of darkness Must be reproved. but there are ways of reproving such works of darkness, this is where the Holy Spirit intervenes, at times the word of God says we should restore such one with a SPIRIT OF MEEKNESS (Gal 6:1) and the other says we should PRAY for them. and to other cases the Holy Spirit tells us to separate such a person from amongst us.
Considering the very same GOD that reject Saul as King over ISRAEL, did not immediately dethrone him but was indeed part of the lesson David had to go through inorder that he(david) becometh king. we fail to understand at times that the very chapters in the word of God and the concepts put in there are meant for Specific people such as Corinthians and the church in Ephesians, not every single word is MEANT FOR US, but GOD can pick up a lesson from them TO TEACH US and EDIFY US to become what HE WANTS US TO be and in ACCORDANCE to the CALLING that HE HAS CALLED US TO.
Every book in the bible explains the different relationships people had with GOD, in a direct manner and in an indirect manner. some had Shekinah experiences some did not. but to all GOD dealt with and allowed that their stories be put in the bible in order we understand that there are MANY witnesses in the bible, that witness of the TRUTH that GOD lives, and who JESUS CHRIST is to us. in order that we may give our lives over to HIM and FELLOWSHIP with the FATHER SON AND HOLY SPIRIT as per the leading of the HOLY SPIRIT. This is what i have learnt. and please do not distort the message am trying to put out here, if you do not understand rather ask than conclude to what i have said. please.. whatever you do not understand ASK.
God bless you all...

Indeed there is a time and place for everything and it is the Spirit of God that leads.

Yet the issue I am dealing with in my posts here is the false gospel message which teaches that one is "saved in the midst of their rebellion."

Thus it is taught that one attains salvation in simply confessing one's sinfulness and trusting in the finished work of Christ on the cross. This false message has completely eliminated the Biblical mandate of a genuine repentance where the rebellion to God ceases. Thus what we have today is multitudes of professing Christian's who sincerely and truly believe they are saved and yet remain in a double-minded rebellious state before God WAITING to be gradually cleaned up.

For example look at this recent thread.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...en-feeling-good-pride-about-repented-sin.html

It's very clear that those participating view themselves as the Romans 7 wretch, carnal and sold under sin, gradually giving up various sins over time. That is not salvation nor can one simply say "good on you, God is doing a wonderful work in your life, praise God." God does not work that way, the Prodigal Son was not forgiven in the pig pen and then gradually encouraged to leave it over time. The Prodigal Son had a genuine repentance experience and forsook the pig pen BEFORE the Father restored him.

The issue lies in the doctrine being taught. The gospel being preached is simply not the gospel of the Bible.

It "sounds like it" in the sense it uses "Biblical Terminology" but it is a perversion of the real message. It is not an issue of a little disagreement but we are all still brothers, so we just agree to disagree and just encourage each other in love. No! The message being preached is a damnable heresy which is leading multitudes of people to perdition and it is not something to play around with.

When multitudes of pastors will categorically state that there is no sin or sins that must be forsaken BEFORE forgiveness is granted by God and that one can even still be engaged in the sin of child molestation and be in a state of salvation it is very obvious that something is VERY wrong.

I woke up to this a couple of years ago due to being exposed various teachers who were discussing the problems with Augustine and Dualism and how this philosophy corrupted the Gospel message back in the Fourth century. It was not until I watched this video...

[video=youtube;gWXSTeHl1dc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWXSTeHl1dc[/video]

Read the supplementary material...

State of Emergency

Then began to send out my own questions to pastors, for example...

Does the viewing of pornography have to be forsaken before God will grant forgiveness?

Good afternoon and thank you for your email. I apologize for not getting back with you sooner.



The issue of a pornography without a doubt is THE problem in the church today. The issue of our standing with the Lord is an easy question to answer and we will start with that.


We know from the Bible that the sacrificial death of Christ did not just cover the sins of past, present, and future, it TOOK THEM AWAY! We know from Ephesians 1:6 that we are ACCEPTED already in the sight of God. There is nothing that we can do to gain more favor, and there is nothing we can do to have less favor. The wrath of God for our sins was settled on the Cross. To think differently negates the entire purpose of "Grace".


With that being said, (As Paul said in Romans) should we just not worry about our sins so that more grace can be displayed? Absolutely not! The issue of sin is not meant to make you walk around feeling guilty; neither are good deeds meant to make you feel righteous. What sin does in the life of a believer is two fold: 1. Quench your ability to effectively represent Christ 2. Steals the joy that you have in living a victorious life in Christ.



So does someone addicted to porn have to stop watching for God to forgive? No ... You are already FORGIVEN (you cant be punished for something Christ already paid for). Does a believer have to stop in order to reap the full blessings of God? Absolutely.



To answer the other question of HOW to stop? As silly as it sounds, you really have to just CHOOSE to stop. There simply is no medicine, magic word, or action that will break the chains of addiction. One of the biggest steps we encourage people in our church to take is to find a genuine accountability partner to be open and honest with -- Someone you can trust and talk about hard things with. Realize that you ARE NOT ALONE in this fight ... Statistics do not lie when it says that 7/10 "church-goers" are addicted to porn.


Many men (and women) beat themselves up over this issue and never find help. The victory has already been won in Christ (Romans 8)! Whether we claim that and run with it is up to us. Can pornography be beat? Yes -- But it takes a believer committed to change, seeing the damage it is doing to his or her witness, tired of living a "joy-less" life, and LOADS of accountability.


Im not sure if i answered your questions efficiently or not, but please feel free to contact me with any other questions or further explanation you may have!


Take Care,

Kevin
Executive Pastor

No, salvation is not based on our works, but on the work of Christ. However, once you have ask Christ into your life and you begin to walk with Christ you will be drawn to obey His Word. Below is some additional information. We would also recommend that you seek out a Bible teaching church in your area so that you can fellowship with other believers. We will be praying that the Lord will continue to draw you to Himself.
LOTE

Hi Scott,
Thank you for your question.

One aspect of receiving Christ is repentance, the intention to turn away from sin and turn to righteousness. Realizing that sin is what makes a mess of our lives, and that is what Christ is saving us from, along with the power of the Holy Spirit to help us once we’re saved, you’d think that to stop sinning would be a snap. But with most of us, that is not the case. However once we’re saved, the Bible says that “if we confess our sins, [God] is faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” If you’re asking do you have to stop sinning in order to be saved, the answer is no. If that were the case, no one would be saved.

Does this answer your question? What are your thoughts on this?
Darryl

The above answers are very typical and comprise probably about 95% of the answers. I have had very few exceptions like this...

Scott... the question you raise does not apply to just this one issue... but to all siinful paractices that we allow ourselves to become involved in or practice as a Christian....


God forgives us (our sins) when we ask him to with a real genuineness in our hearts... and that genuineness is evidence by what the Bible calls "repentence." This is a turning around, or "turning away" from our sin. Therefore if your are genuine in your request for forgiiveness it will be accompanied by your turning away, ceasing the sin itself.


Repentance is the evidence of a heart that truly wants forgiveness. Anything short of that is not the real thing.


cordially,

bruce

In your view does an individual who is addicted to pornography have to stop viewing pornography before God will forgive them? Jesus forgave the woman at the well. (She had had five husbands and she was not married to the man she was currently living with.) Then he told her: "Go, and sin no more." (Dr. Cathy Burns wrote a scriptural and logical article called, "I Have Sinned.") This paper cites examples of confession of sin without repentance and examples of examples of biblical reprentance.. Forgiveness of sins entails more than mere confession. The sin must be forsaken as well. I could copy this for you and send it to you or, if you'd like, you can write to her and ask for this article.

Lisa

In my area I know of one church congregation where the pastor teaches that all known rebellion to God must cease in repentance. ONE CHURCH CONGREGATION and it is an hour away. I have corresponded with practically all the pastors in my local area and have met a number of them face to face to discuss this issue and my conclusion is that they simply do not believe the Bible. They cannot answer my questions regarding the scriptures which clearly teach that the rebellion must cease. They do what the people on this forum generally do, they ignore them and go to Romans 7 or 1Joh 1:8.




The root of the problem is the underpinnings of the teaching that we are "born sinners" which teaches the inability of man to forsake his rebellion and turn to God, thus the Gospel message is redefined to cater for this premise and thus we have "salvation IN sin" as opposed to "salvation FROM sin."

The other major fallacy is that of Penal Substitution which teaches that Jesus "paid your fine" as opposed to "Jesus purchasing you." Thus when people are convinced that Jesus literally bore their punishment they rest in the delusion that they cannot be condemned because they "trust in the finished work of Christ."

I am very disturbed at how only SO FEW PEOPLE can see what is going on and thus there are SO FEW exposing it to the light of day. These wolves preach from the pulpits all over the world, their material fills the Christian bookshops, they publish the study Bibles, and the seminaries teach the fallacies.

There can be no doubt that this is the apostasy that Paul warned about. Yet practically everyone is asleep at the switch.

It is a tragedy of epic proportions.

 

[my_adonai_]

well i do not really base on 1 John 1:8 since John was evangelizing there, considering that an evangelist will tell you that you are sinful and then show you that we have an advocate of the FATHER JESUS CHRIST. and for a believer
the Option of sinning is without a doubt removed from their lives, we strive to always be holy daily submitting before GOD in prayer and supplication, in fellowship and word reading, and acting out the things of GOD. what affects many i would say is Compromise and supporting a life of ON GOING SIN is without a doubt WALKING IN DARKNESS, believers are not called to this.
what i get understand from your thread is that, Supporting a Life of continously living in sin is WRONG, and yes it is. Indeed David, Moses, and all the others sinned, but they learnt to TURN AWAY from their sin, and this why the good LORD loved them, they knew how to learn from the error of their ways and conform to GODS plan for their lives.
So in our walk with the LORD we might trip here and there(although am not saying it is something to look forward), but we MUST learn from our mistakes, and something i have learnt that helps me not to sin is truly be humble, always asking GOD to continously lead you. and saying IF YOU DO NOT GO WITH ME, I WILL NOT LEAVE THIS HOUSE.. then HE would say, my PRESENCE WILL GO BEFORE YOU, AND I WILL GIVE YOU REST..

 

[homwardbound]

WE come to give you not what you want to hear, but what God wants you to hear and hopefully obey!

Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you and you did not believe(obey and follow me) The works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me.
Joh 10:26 But you did not believe (obey and follow me) because you are not of My sheep. As I said to you,
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me(obey me)
Joh 10:28 And I give to them eternal life, and they shall never ever perish, and not anyone shall pluck them out of My hand.

Jesus paid a high price to set you free from the bondages of sin! Are you willing to believe this, and do your part through repentance and faith proven by deeds!

Tommy, this last paragragh, I agree he paid a high price to set the captives free, and I believe this as I think there are a lot of people do as well.
Now do your part, I am not sure anyone would ever come to God without repentance if they really are sorry for thier stupid ways of themselves. There are snakes in the woodshed and lying in wait to kill, and act as they believe.
And as I see I can show deeds and do good things in front of others but Tommy without LOVE GOD'S I can do nothing of any Value, from God's perspective I would be nothing more than a clanging Gong without God's Love
Matthew 6:2“So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.
Matthew 6:5[ Prayer ] “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.
Matthew 23:13[ Seven Woes on the Teachers of the Law and the Pharisees ] “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
Matthew 23:15“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.
Matthew 23:23“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
Matthew 23:25“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
Matthew 23:27“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.

Tommy God is the Judge and God did pay the high price his life for your life it is an exchanged righteousness our own righteousness that we only might think we have by trying to obey as Saul used to do, But gave up his own works of righteousness in order to gain Christ's, now that is a repentful heart brother Phillipians 3. The new life is an exchanged life your life for his life, his life living through you, you no longer live he does the living in your stead by your belief in him
And you will have the righteousness that passes all understanding, quietness and confidence, being at peace in any and all things good or bad that happen. Paul was Saul and a Pharisee who became Paul showing the love. It is the love of God that teaches a man to say no to unrighteousness and trust God to teach them within themselves, and God is able to do exactly this to those that do believe.

 

[homwardbound]

No I am not kidding.

What do you think this means?

Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

Has God changed? You must think He has.

Jer 26:13 Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.



It is sin which separates someone from God. There can be no forgiveness and communion with God whilst in a state of rebellion.

Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.


What do you do with those scriptures above Carey? Do you just ignore them or do you someone think they don't apply any more?

What about Nineveh?

Jon 3:6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
Jon 3:7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
Jon 3:8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
Jon 3:9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
Jon 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Nineveh forsook their rebellion and Jesus even used Nineveh as an example of repentance.

Mat_12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

The greater than Jonah was Jesus and Jesus preached repentance. Does not the repentance message of Jesus include the forsaking of rebellion?

Luk 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Is this post too long yet? Have I twisted the Bible yet?

Am I telling you the truth?

In the parable of the Prodigal Son the son left the pig pen BEFORE mercy was granted.

Luk 15:17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
Luk 15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
Luk 15:19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
Luk 15:20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
Luk 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:

The context of that parable is repentance.

Luk 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.



Do you still say...



You are not a Christian if you believe that. You might "profess" Christ and call Him "Lord" but that does not make you a Christian. A Christian is this...

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

If you claim to know Him but you disobey Him then you are a liar according to John.





This false gospel in the churches has fooled so many people to such an extent that they plainly deny what the Bible plainly teaches. If you tell someone that they have to do this...

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

... they will throw 1Joh 1:8 in your face and call you a liar.

1Joh 1:8 is in the context of Pro 28:13 and the Prodigal Son for it is a repentance verse by which one forsakes their wickedness in order to walk in the light. The blood of Jesus Christ only cleanses those who WALK IN THE LIGHT.

1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


1Joh 1:8 has NOTHING to do with a life on ongoing sinfulness. It is purely satanic to twist the scriptures in order to uphold being able to sin and still enter the kingdom. Satan deceived Eve with YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE.

You Carey are deceived and you need to wake up before it is too late.







The question I like to pose to everyone else is why do most of you you coddle people in their sins? Somehow you think it is loving to tell people "it is ok, God loves you and you are already forgiven." How can you all be so foolish to believe such nonsense?

Stop believing your false teachers and start believing the Bible!

If you sin you are of the devil and I am speaking of WILLFUL SIN which is rebellion. I am not speaking of things we do in ignorance which are not proper that we correct as they are revealed to us. STOP lumping all sin into one bucket.

Rebellion to God WILL SEND YOU TO HELL!

Why do you nullify God's direct gift, putting Law in the way Wow? Salvation is a gift to those that believe and they receive the peace that passes all understanding, quietness and confidence thus are partakers in God's righteousness not thier own as Saul was prior to belief. Read the posttoTommy this is for you as well brother please come out of your judging others and pecieve the Mercy of God and trust God to dowaht is needed to be done actually already has been done back at the cross
All in Love to you I am concerned for you
Matthew 23:23“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

 

[SarahM777]

Total depravity teaches that the reason people sin is because they were BORN SINNERS and are thus DISABLED from making the virtuous choice. Thus sin is not a criminal action due to an exercise of free agency in CHOOSING to do wrong, rather it is a SYMPTOM of a birth state.

Total Depravity COMPLETELY REDEFINES REPENTANCE from being "the change of mind that produces the forsaking of sin" to a "confession of sinfulness." Thus under Reformed Theology one approaches God STILL IN REBELLION.

Total Depravity also teaches that a regenerated Christian exists in an ongoing state of sinfulness and thus is a denial of the possibility of heart purity in this life. This is why Reformed teachers TWIST the Scriptures and teach that passages like Romans 7:14-25, 1Joh 1:8, 1Tim 1:15, Isa 64:6, etc. support an ongoing state of wickedness/sinfulness in a Christian. The doctrine of Total Depravity infiltrated and found wide acceptance in Christian orthodoxy through the prolific influence of Augustine in the Fourth Century. Reformed theologians like Martin Luther and John Calvin held Augustine in very high regard and used his material prolifically in formulating their theologies.

Total Depravity is an extremely dangerous teaching for it redefines the nature of man and thus redefines the entire Gospel message by redefining repentance, faith, grace, salvation and sin.

Skinski,

Didn't Paul say this

Romans 7

[SUP]14 [/SUP]We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. [SUP]15 [/SUP]I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. [SUP]17 [/SUP]As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[SUP][c][/SUP] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. [SUP]22 [/SUP]For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; [SUP]23 [/SUP]but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me.[SUP]24 [/SUP]What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? [SUP]25 [/SUP]Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law,but in my sinful nature[SUP][d][/SUP] a slave to the law of sin.

See what I hear you saying is that you cleaned yourself up first BEFORE God forgave you. (Is that what you are saying?)
Because here Paul says he was unable to do the good he wants to do and does the things does not want to do. Paul says he can't.

Paul also goes onto say this

Romans 5

5 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith,we[SUP][a][/SUP] have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,[SUP]2 [/SUP]through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we[SUP][b][/SUP] boast in the hope of the glory of God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Not only so, but we[SUP][c][/SUP] also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; [SUP]4 [/SUP]perseverance, character; and character, hope. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! [SUP]10 [/SUP]For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! [SUP]11 [/SUP]Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

Paul again says while we were ungodly and powerless,Christ died for us. And he says while we were God's enemies we were reconciled. Paul also goes on to say we were dead in trepasses

Ephesians 2

2 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, [SUP]2 [/SUP]in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. [SUP]3 [/SUP]All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[SUP][a][/SUP] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. [SUP]4 [/SUP]But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, [SUP]5 [/SUP]made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, [SUP]7 [/SUP]in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace,expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— [SUP]9 [/SUP]not by works, so that no one can boast. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works,which God prepared in advance for us to do.

So why does Paul say he is unable to and also we were dead unless there is an underlying problem?

 

[homwardbound]

Did you know that the Pharisees ignored what Jesus taught and would make accusations against Him that He was a sinner?

That is what you are doing. You cannot support your religious dogma with Scripture. You might try to pull a verse out context but I can show the context and clearly show your position as fallacious. Thus all you are left with is rhetoric and accusations.

I have never claimed that you don't have to worry about the sins in the heart. You are clutching at straws. PURE MEANS PURE.

HEART PURITY it the theme of the Bible. If you read my material you will find PROLIFIC references to inward purity. In fact inward purity is my main focus. Inward purity is only achieved via abiding in Christ having been cleansed of all sin by the blood.

Forsaking rebellion to God is not fixing yourself. God fixes you! Forsaking rebellion to God is a CONDITION that must be met BEFORE God will fix you. This is why James wrote this...

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

You CANNOT receive with meekness the implanted word which saves the soul unless you FIRST lay aside all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness.

You have denied that principle. You claim that you approach God in your filth and rebellion and then wait for Him to clean you up. I am sorry but it does not work that way. God will not override your free will. You must be WILLING TO YIELD before God will cleanse you of unrighteousness.

God is the author of the salvation of those whom obey Him. The disobedient will perish in their sins and unfortunately many of the disobedient have been deceived by Satan that they are in fact saved.

Don't be one of them!

We live in a time of full blown apostasy. The Bible warns of it and it ought to be taken very seriously. This is not a game for your soul is of great value. God does not want you to perish but if you persist in your rebellion you will perish.

Forsake your sin and turn to God. He WILL have mercy on you and raise you up to newness of life where you will MANIFEST the fruit of inward purity.

And yolu are not pure never will be in and of yourself re-read Saul to Paul Phillipians 3 the exchanged life it is found in the belief in God at the cross, it is not taking it for granted it is appreciating because thos that are tasking advantage of this amazing salvation where one is foirgiven and not thanking God and seeking from God God's righteousness in placeof thier own are still on the road to destruction and have stumbled over the stumbling block
Carefu; Skinski as well as me neither one of us are the judge God is and God will get his children to stand, thanks for yuor efforts but they come across as unloving unmerciful like the religous leaders of Christs day
THanks all in love for for your soul

 

[SarahM777]

Skinski,

Again looking at the son,you leave a major premise out of it. The son knows the father but he goes into rebellion,the son was not in rebellion to begin with.

 

[homwardbound]

Like I said before, you clearly do not believe the Bible. You worship a Jesus of your own imagination and have succumbed to a sinning religion which denies purity.


Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify (G2511) unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth (G2511) us from all sin.

Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying (G2511) their hearts by faith.

2Co 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse (G2511) ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.


Cleanse/Cleanseth/Purify/Purifying - G2511 - katharizō
From G2513; to cleanse (literally or figuratively): - (make) clean (-se), purge, purify.


1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified (G48) your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Purified - G48 - hagnizō
From G53; to make clean, that is, (figuratively) sanctify (ceremonially or morally): - purity (self).



And now one of the most key scriptures in the Bible for it pertains to the end.

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Holy - G37 - hagiazō
From G40; to make holy, that is, (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate: - hallow, be holy, sanctify.

Tell me when you you made the judge, I know Jesus is at rest. did he put you in charge? You are heaping judgement on yourself juddging others, You believe as you want to believe you have made your case but please quit pouttiing others under your wrath because this is not God's wrath that you are exclaiming to others you are putting others under judgement and being a pharisee.
All the scripture that is stated is truth but not the way you use it. I am sanctified and Justified and have forsaken evil. And this never once happened by me doing this, this all came about by Faith in Christ that he did at the cross take away the sins all of them when he died, This ahs allowed Father to live in the ones that believe to teach them error from truth. for noone has ever before Christ been able to obey the Law or after in and of themselves ever Christ is the only one and so therefore it is through Christ that one recieves salvation and from that point on being taught that they are made anew and God by belief will be able and does get those that do beleive not fake and act as if they to stand and today I stand only in the righteousnes of God none of my own for I have none of my own and never will been where you are claiming all need to be and that self works is not purity at all, and if you wish to glory in the flesh as is what you are promoting Paul more phillipians 3
Love you from the Mercy of God

 

[Skinski7]

well i do not really base on 1 John 1:8 since John was evangelizing there, considering that an evangelist will tell you that you are sinful and then show you that we have an advocate of the FATHER JESUS CHRIST. and for a believer
the Option of sinning is without a doubt removed from their lives, we strive to always be holy daily submitting before GOD in prayer and supplication, in fellowship and word reading, and acting out the things of GOD. what affects many i would say is Compromise and supporting a life of ON GOING SIN is without a doubt WALKING IN DARKNESS, believers are not called to this.
what i get understand from your thread is that, Supporting a Life of continously living in sin is WRONG, and yes it is. Indeed David, Moses, and all the others sinned, but they learnt to TURN AWAY from their sin, and this why the good LORD loved them, they knew how to learn from the error of their ways and conform to GODS plan for their lives.
So in our walk with the LORD we might trip here and there(although am not saying it is something to look forward), but we MUST learn from our mistakes, and something i have learnt that helps me not to sin is truly be humble, always asking GOD to continously lead you. and saying IF YOU DO NOT GO WITH ME, I WILL NOT LEAVE THIS HOUSE.. then HE would say, my PRESENCE WILL GO BEFORE YOU, AND I WILL GIVE YOU REST..

Your post opens the door to the view of "occasional acts of rebellion" being normal in the Christian experience.

The problem with that view is it is an allusion to a sin/repent/sin/repent/sin/repent/sin/repent lifestyle. While you might say you "shouldn't sin" you are alluding to a Christianity where you "occasionally will."

Now to be sure I am speaking in the context of WILLFUL rebellion, not a misudgment, acting in haste, worrying, prioritising wrong etc. A clear distinction must be made between sinning unto death and sinning not unto death. Here is an article where I clarify my understanding on this issue...

The Pearl of Great Price: Obedience versus Transgression

There is no such thing as "slipping" or "tripping" into willful sin. Willful sin is a presumptuous act rooted in the exercise of the will and it reveals a defiled state of the heart. It is through a genuine repentance experience that the mind, inclinations and desires change where one finds themselves in a position where their will is yielded to God, thus the inclination for willful sin is destroyed (body of sin destroyed Rom 6:6). To willfully sin from this position is a serious thing and ought not be viewed as a light matter.

I am not saying there is no forgiveness to be found, I am saying that finding a genuine repentance is not a given. Esau sold his birthright for a tasty meal and the author of Hebrews uses this as an example of the defilement produces and that repentance may not be found. This understanding has been practically eliminated from modern theology because a life of sin/repent/sin/repent/sin/repent/sin/repent is considered normal.

1Joh 1:8 is not a verse to be applied to the sin/repent/sin/repent/sin/repent/sin/repent cycle. If you carefully read Chapters 1 and 2 in first John in context it is clear that 1Joh 1:8-10 is in the context of the initial approach to God in order to seek cleansing and reconcilation, ie. it is about HOW to "walk in the light" (1Joh 1:7). John is writing so that people share in their fellowship with God and each other and that their joy be full. John teaches in that whole epistle that outward conduct must line up with an inward profession and that those in Christ will manifest outward righteousness.

We have an advocate with the Father for non-presumptuous sin (1Joh 2:1) not for willful transgression for the blood of Christ is not something to be used as a "get out of jail free card" for ongoing acts of rebellion, such a view is treating the blood of Christ with contempt. The reason that most who profess Christ use 1Joh 1-8-10 and 1Joh 2:1 as an escape clause for ongoing "slipping" into sin (as they call it) is because they have never truly repented in the first place and they have no concept of what genuine reconciliation actually is.

Any person who experiences a genuine encounter with God through repentance and faith and is thus purged of all sin by the blood knows full well they cannot simply go out and re-offend and simply say, "oops sorry God, I know I spat in your face but I am sorry now." No! It does not work like that because rebellion to God is a SERIOUS thing and it is only through GODLY SORROW that the genuine change of mind (repentance) takes place. True repentance puts you in a mindset where rebellion is simply out of the question. There is godly sorrow and worldy sorrow and the difference between the two is HUGE. One purges rebellion from the heart and one does not. One produces a saving faith and the other does not. One produces a genuine LONG LASTING change in conduct while the other produces temporal change because it is simply emotional.

Paul over and over again in his letters is trying to teach this concept that people are to be walking in purity and holiness before God. Corruptions were coming into the church congregations back then. In Revelation 5 of the 7 churches had fallen and needed to repent. Today it is much, much worse.

 

[homwardbound]

Speak the truth in LOVE, we can not force truth on people, we must Ask GOD for the right words to help us make people understand HIM. and everything that comes from HIM MUST have the Fruits of the Spirit as products thus showing GENTLENESS, Kindness, self control, faith, as per gal 5:22-23, we must be tenderhearted as the word OF GOD says. people respond more to that, believers and un believers. indeed GOD is strict, but JESUS IS LOVE , a person that shows Compassion to sinners and not judgement, because HE knows that Judgement has its time and that time is when we all stand before Him. but as for now, more love, more compassion, more tenderheartedness, more kindness that on that day we may have NO WORD against HIM..

This is in addition to your comment I agree with you Adonai
Well Lord Idid this in your anme and this I worked harder than any of the rest waht do you mean me judging you, these people ar not of the law that I see as I need to do
SAUl, SAUL why is thou persecuting me? HMMMMM!!!!!

 

[homwardbound]

but bottomline being WE MUST be DILIGENT in our WALK WITH HIM. we should not be lazy, never compromise, never stop in our walk, never backslide, but everyday is a reason to do better than the previous day, every hour a reason to do better than the previous hour. we all run trying by all means to win CHRIST. .

Godbless you all

Love what you write my_adonai_
Therefore let us keep our minds on the life given and just be sowing to the Spirit of God, our consciences in this is purged from sin and thus without thiunking about it we are obeying the law throgu the love of God HMMMM!!!!!!

 

[Skinski7]

Tell me when you you made the judge, I know Jesus is at rest. did he put you in charge? You are heaping judgement on yourself juddging others, You believe as you want to believe you have made your case but please quit pouttiing others under your wrath because this is not God's wrath that you are exclaiming to others you are putting others under judgement and being a pharisee.
All the scripture that is stated is truth but not the way you use it. I am sanctified and Justified and have forsaken evil. And this never once happened by me doing this, this all came about by Faith in Christ that he did at the cross take away the sins all of them when he died, This ahs allowed Father to live in the ones that believe to teach them error from truth. for noone has ever before Christ been able to obey the Law or after in and of themselves ever Christ is the only one and so therefore it is through Christ that one recieves salvation and from that point on being taught that they are made anew and God by belief will be able and does get those that do beleive not fake and act as if they to stand and today I stand only in the righteousnes of God none of my own for I have none of my own and never will been where you are claiming all need to be and that self works is not purity at all, and if you wish to glory in the flesh as is what you are promoting Paul more phillipians 3
Love you from the Mercy of God

I have never claimed to be in charge, those are your words and not mine.

You clearly hold to a Gospel which teaches that you are in a forgiven state whilst still committing known acts of rebellion to God. You have plainly made statements admitting this thus your conception of repentance and salvation is in error.

I don't say that to be mean or condemn you, I am simply contending against error by upholding the truth of what the Bible actually teaches. It is quite natural to take offense at such things, especially when one holds the position that they "can sin and not surely die" because they view the death of Christ from the penal substitution perspective.

I have never claimed that one yields to God in and of themselves. That is a misunderstanding of my writings from your perspective. It is via a genuine repentance experience that one is put in a position where they CAN YIELD to God whereby the power of God works through them to overcome sin.

You are making the mistake of thinking I am teaching that one white knuckles their way into the kingdom FIRST (IN THE FLESH) and then approaches God. It does not work like that. Repentance is where the mind changes enabling a genuine conversion where the exercise of the will to God changes from a state of resistance to a state of submission. It is in the state of submission whereby one overcomes sin.

This is why it is error to teach a provisional forgiveness whilst in a state of rebellion. There is simply no salvation in rebellion for salvation is not forensic in any way whatsoever. The death of Christ on the cross is not an abstract provisional cloak for ongoing rebellion, the blood PURGES the conscience of sin so that one can serve God acceptably. When one is still under the dominion of sin one cannot serve God because their conscience bears witness to them of their past transgression, there can be no remission of this transgression without the blood.

You view the blood of Christ as a "payment for sin" as opposed to "buying you." The Bible simply does not teach that the blood "paid the penalty for sin so that it is not due any more and thus on this basis there is no further condemnation." That view is a stronghold of error. It is a twisted version of the death of Christ and you ought to seriously dig into what the Bible actually teaches about the blood of Christ.

I cannot force you to look into these things, I can only encourage you to examine them.

We indeed receive salvation through Christ because eternal life is found IN Christ. That means by abiding in His Spirit we find life. One cannot be abiding in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ and still be walking in the flesh. As I said salvation is not provisional or separate from your present state of action and heart condition. Those who are saved are pure because they have truly been cleansed of all sin and defilement, they have forsaken all known rebellion to God, they are in an obedience state of faithfulness before God as a child willing to be taught righteousness.

 

[homwardbound]

Many equal a sugar coated message with love so when there is no sugar they conclude there is no love. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.

I think people pretend not to love sinning when really they love it.

That would be the Old Man that is crucified back at the cross, and risen to a new man in Christ alive to God in reception of the Holy Ghost born again HMMMM!!!!! Old man dead and we have people all over the world trying to keep him alive by getting them to focus on sin whether they want to or not the issue is
Galatians 6:8For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
So if anyone just thinks long enough about sin then sin is then waht will be performed the old amn brought back to life
therefore sow to the Spirit of God and what? Yes reap life everlasting , I quit sowing to mey flesh and trying to obey the Law for as Paul before understanding born again would also try and find tha what evil was what present with him and he found that he could not do it thereofre he gave up to God waived his little white flag and moved into the world's enemy camp GOD ALMIGHTY and this is where I am as well, Christ by and at the cross and saved me and you and you and you if only youwould come to beleif in one hasnot already
Just my two cents and what I ahve learned about the Mercy of God and am in 10000 % appreciation of

 

[homwardbound]

Skinski
Why are you nullifying those that are truly repentenant and trapped not knowing how to escape you bring up those that are taking advantage of sin as the corithians did but finally saw what this total forgiveness was meant to do and had a Godly Sorrow over the worldly one they Had
God knows who are his and who are not his, who really wants to forsake sin against God as King David came to terms with and sinned murdered adultery, WOW!!!!!!! Skinski your message comes out as vengance WOW!!!!!! God just love you when one responds to this this is waht changes them not condemnation, But you know this and disregard this maybe you want others to comne down on you, maybe you want those that have escaped the corruption or are on their way to understanding what God ahs done for them and will escape the corruption in this world, maybe you want them to focus on flesh well do you. Because this is why man can't escape corruption of this world this world is good at keepoing flesh physical focusing on physical
Galatians 6:8For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Because Skinski this is waht you are succeeding in whether you are awre of this or not is not my concern but people need to be freed from and the only way is in and through the cross of Christ no other way. The foundation can not be change and amny have built wrongly to their damnation
Love you Skinski

 

[Skinski7]

Skinski
Why are you nullifying those that are truly repentenant and trapped not knowing how to escape you bring up those that are taking advantage of sin as the corithians did but finally saw what this total forgiveness was meant to do and had a Godly Sorrow over the worldly one they Had
God knows who are his and who are not his, who really wants to forsake sin against God as King David came to terms with and sinned murdered adultery, WOW!!!!!!! Skinski your message comes out as vengance WOW!!!!!! God just love you when one responds to this this is waht changes them not condemnation, But you know this and disregard this maybe you want others to comne down on you, maybe you want those that have escaped the corruption or are on their way to understanding what God ahs done for them and will escape the corruption in this world, maybe you want them to focus on flesh well do you. Because this is why man can't escape corruption of this world this world is good at keepoing flesh physical focusing on physical
Galatians 6:8For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Because Skinski this is waht you are succeeding in whether you are awre of this or not is not my concern but people need to be freed from and the only way is in and through the cross of Christ no other way. The foundation can not be change and amny have built wrongly to their damnation
Love you Skinski

It is through repentance that one is released from bondage therefore there is no such thing as a "truly repentant person who is trapped."

It was through repentance that the Prodigal Son forsook the bondage of the pig pen. It is through repentance that a drunk forsakes drinking.

There is no bondage in salvation as you teach. You are mixing slavery and freedom. The two do not mix, one has either been saved and set free or they have not.

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

If you still serve sin you are still its slave.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

It is through obedience that one is set free.

Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

You have to ignore what Bible teaches in order to justify your saved in sins belief.




David was not in a forgiven state when unrepentant over his sin, he was in a condemned state and in danger of his soul.

You are just trying to defend being able to sin and not surely die and that is why you dance around the specifics of what I say. Instead you twist what I say and make accusations that I am condemning people.

Those who are in rebellion are condemned already. I preach repentance that they may find pardon.

Here is a verse you do not actually believe...

Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

 

[Skinski7]

That would be the Old Man that is crucified back at the cross, and risen to a new man in Christ alive to God in reception of the Holy Ghost born again HMMMM!!!!! Old man dead and we have people all over the world trying to keep him alive by getting them to focus on sin whether they want to or not the issue is
Galatians 6:8For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
So if anyone just thinks long enough about sin then sin is then waht will be performed the old amn brought back to life
therefore sow to the Spirit of God and what? Yes reap life everlasting , I quit sowing to mey flesh and trying to obey the Law for as Paul before understanding born again would also try and find tha what evil was what present with him and he found that he could not do it thereofre he gave up to God waived his little white flag and moved into the world's enemy camp GOD ALMIGHTY and this is where I am as well, Christ by and at the cross and saved me and you and you and you if only youwould come to beleif in one hasnot already
Just my two cents and what I ahve learned about the Mercy of God and am in 10000 % appreciation of

The death of the old man is connected to NOT SERVING SIN. Therefore your whole contention that when the old man is crucified "one is not to focus on their sin" is a moot point. When we die with Christ we die to sin and thus no longer yield our members to it. Those that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the passions and desires.

It is the passions and desires which draw people into sin (Jam 1:14-15). A Christian has crucified those desires (Rom 6:6, Gal 5:24) and thus takes the way of escape (1Cor 10:13, Rom 6:6-7) instead of yielding to them. Thus they keep themselves and do not sin (1Joh 5:18).

Your doctrine completely ignores what all those scriptures actually teach.

 

[Skinski7]

Homwardbound,


Here is the fallacy of your position...

After being Saved asking Christ into my heart and beleived and still do. I continued in sin and trying to stop it from happening and kept going to the cross and askinng for more forgiveness, until finally God showed me by scripture that I was already forgiven back the cross before I was ever born

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-ever-lose-his-salvation-terry-watkins-6.html


That view is unbiblical. You are mixing salvation and sinning and you cannot do that. In essence you are saying that you were double-minded and still serving Satan yet God had already forgiven you because you accessed the cross by you "asked Christ into your heart and believed." Not to mention that you contradicted yourself because you state you are "already forgiven" which means that you don't need to "ask Jesus into your heart."

The Bible does not teach you "ask Jesus into your heart and just believe in Him." The Bible teaches REPENTANCE and OBEDIENCE. Believing in God is obeying Him for the devils believe and saving faith is the substance and evidence of things not seen, thus there is no "do nothing" faith, nor is there repentance where one does not forsake their sin.

You clearly admit you did not forsake your sin and yet are forgiven anyway. That is Satan speaking, not God.

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

You are claiming that you can receive the implanted word which saves the soul without laying aside all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness. Cannot you see that?

Am I condemning you and full of vengeance for pointing that out????

Come on be real please.

You deny passages like this...

Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

You claim you receive mercy without forsaking. Has God changed? Is grace now a license to keep on sinning? Your doctrine teaches that it is.

Please wake up before it is too late. You are contending for dangerous heresy.

 

[homwardbound]

I have never claimed to be in charge, those are your words and not mine.

You clearly hold to a Gospel which teaches that you are in a forgiven state whilst still committing known acts of rebellion to God. You have plainly made statements admitting this thus your conception of repentance and salvation is in error.

This is why it is error to teach a provisional forgiveness whilst in a state of rebellion. There is simply no salvation in rebellion for salvation is not forensic in any way whatsoever. The death of Christ on the cross is not an abstract provisional cloak for ongoing rebellion, the blood PURGES the conscience of sin so that one can serve God acceptably. When one is still under the dominion of sin one cannot serve God because their conscience bears witness to them of their past transgression, there can be no remission of this transgression without the blood.

My past sins all as soon as they are past are forgiven apparently you do not see clearly the rain has gone
And you are judging directly see your words I clearly hold a Gospel and am commiting Sins. So I wiull say it like Paul to you pharisees Judaiasiers that called Paul this same thing
First all past sins are forgiven from Paul to the romans
Romans 3:25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

1 Peter 3:13-22
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Who is going to harm you if you are eager to do good? [SUP]14 [/SUP]But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. ‘Do not fear their threats; do not be frightened.’ [SUP]15 [/SUP]But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, [SUP]16 [/SUP]keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behaviour in Christ may be ashamed of their slander. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. [SUP]19 [/SUP]After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits – [SUP]20 [/SUP]to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, [SUP]21 [/SUP]and this water symbolises baptism that now saves you also – not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience towards God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, [SUP]22 [/SUP]who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand – with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.
Well Skinski all those of past after the death burial and resurrection Christ went to telling them that he paid thier penalty for thier sins, Allthat is left is to believe or not belief and he took captivity captive triumphiing over satan and all his minions

 

[homwardbound]

I have never claimed to be in charge, those are your words and not mine.

You clearly hold to a Gospel which teaches that you are in a forgiven state whilst still committing known acts of rebellion to God. You have plainly made statements admitting this thus your conception of repentance and salvation is in error.

This is why it is error to teach a provisional forgiveness whilst in a state of rebellion. There is simply no salvation in rebellion for salvation is not forensic in any way whatsoever. The death of Christ on the cross is not an abstract provisional cloak for ongoing rebellion, the blood PURGES the conscience of sin so that one can serve God acceptably. When one is still under the dominion of sin one cannot serve God because their conscience bears witness to them of their past transgression, there can be no remission of this transgression without the blood.

My past sins all as soon as they are past are forgiven apparently you do not see clearly the rain has gone
And you are judging directly see your words I clearly hold a Gospel and am commiting Sins. So I wiull say it like Paul to you pharisees Judaiasiers that called Paul this same thing
First all past sins are forgiven from Paul to the romans
Romans 3:25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

1 Peter 3:13-22
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Who is going to harm you if you are eager to do good? [SUP]14 [/SUP]But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. ‘Do not fear their threats; do not be frightened.’ [SUP]15 [/SUP]But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, [SUP]16 [/SUP]keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behaviour in Christ may be ashamed of their slander. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. [SUP]19 [/SUP]After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits – [SUP]20 [/SUP]to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, [SUP]21[/SUP]and this water symbolises baptism that now saves you also – not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience towards God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, [SUP]22 [/SUP]who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand – with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.
Well Skinski all those of past after the death burial and resurrection Christ went to telling them that he paid thier penalty for thier sins, Allthat is left is to believe or not belief and he took captivity captive triumphiing over satan and all his minions