Kindness. Are you willing to share your experience of using Matthew 7:12 ?

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:hrmm: as it is written
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Mga Bilang: 11. 17. And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone.

18. And say thou unto the people, Sanctify yourselves against to morrow, and ye shall eat flesh: for ye have wept in the ears of the LORD, saying, Who shall give us flesh to eat? for it was well with us in Egypt: therefore the LORD will give you flesh, and ye shall eat.

19. Ye shall not eat one day, nor two days, nor five days, neither ten days, nor twenty days;
20. But even a whole month, until it come out at your nostrils, and it be loathsome unto you: because that ye have despised the LORD which is among you, and have wept before him, saying, Why came we forth out of Egypt?

21. And Moses said, The people, among whom I am, are six hundred thousand footmen; and thou hast said, I will give them flesh, that they may eat a whole month.
22. Shall the flocks and the herds be slain for them, to suffice them? or shall all the fish of the sea be gathered together for them, to suffice them?

23. And the LORD said unto Moses, Is the LORD's hand waxed short? thou shalt see now whether my word shall come to pass unto thee or not.

24. And Moses went out, and told the people the words of the LORD, and gathered the seventy men of the elders of the people, and set them round about the tabernacle.
25. And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.

26. But there remained two of the men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; and they were of them that were written, but went not out unto the tabernacle: and they prophesied in the camp.
27. And there ran a young man, and told Moses, and said, Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the camp.
28. And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of Moses, one of his young men, answered and said, My lord Moses, forbid them.

29. And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD's people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!
 

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To some people it may appear that I should have started this thread a long time ago. To show some of my judgement, God works in ways which we can't fully understand and He uses people to deliver special messages to other people, so I judge that's why He stopped me from starting this thread long ago.

Do you think it's right to use Matthew 7:12 to judge how to sound your voice and which words to use to other people every time you speak to them including in internet forums, also thinking about what condition they may be in ?

To show some of my judgement, if someone appears to be timid, we should be careful not to say anything to frighten them away.

I judge that's enough to start the thread.
One cannot accurately interpret verse 12 without first looking at the previous verses, for verse 12 starts out with, "therefore".

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Mat 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Mat 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.


In the previous verses, Jesus compares God the Father and His children to earthly fathers with their sons.
God says if we fathers will not give our children something evil or harmful when they ask for something good, how much more will your loving heavenly Father not only do the same, by not giving you something evil for the good things you ask for, like healing, but will do far better, even above and beyond what we can ask or think? Then He says to do to others as you would have them do to you.
Since Jesus is comparing God Himself to an earthly father, we need to ask if God is a hypocrite, that He would do any different to and for us, His children, when we ask for something good, like healing, as He would want us to do to Him?
If He tells us to do to others as we would have them do to us, then He would do to us as we would do to Him if He were to ask us for something good. If we would not give Him something evil for the good He asks for, why would we think He would give us evil for the good we ask for? Not only that, but why would He withhold the good things we ask for, when we would not do that to our own children? How much better, how much more loving, kind, merciful, compassionate, and forgiving is our heavenly Father than us earthly fathers?
So I ask all of you, is sickness something good or evil?
And what about healing? Is that a good or evil thing?
And if your child were to ask you for medication for relief from a sickness they are suffering from, would you deny them and tell them, no, or would you do what you could for them?
So if you would not tell your children, no, but help them with whatever resources you have, then according to Matthew 7:7-12, why would God tell you, no, when you ask Him for healing? It stands to reason then, since you would not say, no, to your children, neither would God say, no, to all His children who ask Him.
But if you ask for a good thing, such as healing, doesn't God say He will give you that good thing you asked Him for and not an evil thing? And wouldn't you be considered a mean parent if you denied your child relief when they are suffering from a sickness when it is in your power to help them? Then if you would be considered an evil parent for making your child suffer when you could help them, then why don't we think the same of God, when it is in His power to help us, if He does indeed say, no, to His children?
But how can He say, no, when ALL His promises in Christ Jesus are yeah and amen?
Do to others as you would have them do to you.
God is no different than what He demands of us earthly fathers.
Saying, no, to your suffering child is not a good thing, but and evil thing, and God is NOT evil.
 
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One cannot accurately interpret verse 12 without first looking at the previous verses, for verse 12 starts out with, "therefore".

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Mat 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Mat 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.


In the previous verses, Jesus compares God the Father and His children to earthly fathers with their sons.
God says if we fathers will not give our children something evil or harmful when they ask for something good, how much more will your loving heavenly Father not only do the same, by not giving you something evil for the good things you ask for, like healing, but will do far better, even above and beyond what we can ask or think? Then He says to do to others as you would have them do to you.
Since Jesus is comparing God Himself to an earthly father, we need to ask if God is a hypocrite, that He would do any different to and for us, His children, when we ask for something good, like healing, as He would want us to do to Him?
If He tells us to do to others as we would have them do to us, then He would do to us as we would do to Him if He were to ask us for something good. If we would not give Him something evil for the good He asks for, why would we think He would give us evil for the good we ask for? Not only that, but why would He withhold the good things we ask for, when we would not do that to our own children? How much better, how much more loving, kind, merciful, compassionate, and forgiving is our heavenly Father than us earthly fathers?
So I ask all of you, is sickness something good or evil?
And what about healing? Is that a good or evil thing?
And if your child were to ask you for medication for relief from a sickness they are suffering from, would you deny them and tell them, no, or would you do what you could for them?
So if you would not tell your children, no, but help them with whatever resources you have, then according to Matthew 7:7-12, why would God tell you, no, when you ask Him for healing? It stands to reason then, since you would not say, no, to your children, neither would God say, no, to all His children who ask Him.
But if you ask for a good thing, such as healing, doesn't God say He will give you that good thing you asked Him for and not an evil thing? And wouldn't you be considered a mean parent if you denied your child relief when they are suffering from a sickness when it is in your power to help them? Then if you would be considered an evil parent for making your child suffer when you could help them, then why don't we think the same of God, when it is in His power to help us, if He does indeed say, no, to His children?
But how can He say, no, when ALL His promises in Christ Jesus are yeah and amen?
Do to others as you would have them do to you.
God is no different than what He demands of us earthly fathers.
Saying, no, to your suffering child is not a good thing, but and evil thing, and God is NOT evil.
I have judged before you said that, that it's right to learn how God wants people to obey what is in Matthew 7:12. In answering what was asked in the starting post of this thread it's right to talk about the way in which what's in Matthew 7:12 should be obeyed.

Possible answers.

I judge it's right to use Matthew 7:12 to judge how to sound my voice and which words to use to other people every time I speak to them including in internet forums, also thinking about what condition they may be in.

I judge it's not right to use Matthew 7:12 to judge how to sound my voice and which words to use to other people every time I speak to them including in internet forums, also thinking about what condition they may be in.
 
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Matthew 7:12
Therefore, everything that you wish bnei Adam do for you, thus also you do for them. For this is the Torah and the Nevi'im. WITHOUT KEDUSHAH NO MAN WILL SEE HASHEM

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godbless us all always