King James Bible ONLY? Or NOT?

[Roughsoul1991]

I watched a video recently that changed my mind on the type of Bible I should keep as the over-riding bible authority. I have an NIV, ESV, Gideon's new testament, NKJV, KJV and am picking up a n Amplified Holy Bible tomorrow. I will probably use one of the most accurate to the King James, for quick reading, but highlight thereof area's and swap back to KJV. But will try to stick with the old English in the KJV until I get confused.

I watched Pastor Steven L Anderson's, New World Order movie. Just under 2 hours long, very interesting. Puts potentially the NIV, ESV, NKJV and more to shame, depending on version's and errors of course.

So, (1) Have you watched the video? If not,
watch it first, please.

(1b) Did the video change your mind?

(2) What Bible do you support?

(3) Why do you support it?

At the bottom of your post, please put final Bible choice in caps, alone, so it can be seen as a tally. Thanks.

KJV

I use multiple translations when i study scripture. And then i see what the passages say in Hebrew or greek. Then see what translations fit it best. Sometimes its kyv sometimes its niv or hcsb or nlt. I just get the verses paralleled and see which one or ones fit it best. I find translation wise the NIV, KJV, NKJV, HCSB and sometimes the MSG to be accurate.

My favorite is NIV its in my language and trying to evangelize with the KJV only brings confusion when using their own language will solve a lot of confusion.

People are more prone to twist scripture when they cant understand it because they think the kjv is the only accurate version. Its outdated but no less accurate. Its just now we have translations just as accurate.

 

[willybob]

The KJV is far and away the best readily available translation form the correct text, but I do perceive for various reasons that Tyndale’s translation is the least politically correct of all translations…The post 1880 translations are watered down and derived from corrupted Catholic text, and continue to be more and more maligned as time goes by.. they are copyrighted and need the final approval of the Vatican in the person of Cardinal Martini who I think died in 2012, and it was passed on to another Catholic grouped with the Aland and Nestle group….a very corrupted text with no chain of evidence

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

I use multiple translations when i study scripture. And then i see what the passages say in Hebrew or greek. Then see what translations fit it best. Sometimes its kyv sometimes its niv or hcsb or nlt. I just get the verses paralleled and see which one or ones fit it best. I find translation wise the NIV, KJV, NKJV, HCSB and sometimes the MSG to be accurate.

My favorite is NIV its in my language and trying to evangelize with the KJV only brings confusion when using their own language will solve a lot of confusion.

People are more prone to twist scripture when they cant understand it because they think the kjv is the only accurate version. Its outdated but no less accurate. Its just now we have translations just as accurate.

My favorite is NIV its in my language and trying to evangelize with the KJV only brings confusion when using their own language will solve a lot of confusion. KJVO-ists try to tell us that the KJV is the easiest version to understand and read. My observation is that the only ones who find the KJV to be easier to read are (1) those who do not have English as their first language (2) KJVO-ists and (3) those who grew up using it.

Anyway, if KJV English is so much better, than the KJVO-ists ought to speak it and write in it in their daily lives. When people look at them strange and say "whah?", they can call them stupid and ignorant.

 

[KJV1611]

The very word contradicts your belief...GOD INSPIRED HOLY MEN not false, satanic Episcopalian priests who teach heresy.....the context is clear and the word APPLIES unto the word as ORIGINALLY INSPIRED IN GREEK AND HEBREW.....YOUR argument based upon "is" has more holes than a spaghetti strainer and to be honest speaks volumes to your worship of the version over the truth!

You're mixing 2 Peter 1:21 with 2 Timothy 3:16 and the two are not talking about the same thing. 2 Peter is most definitely talking about the original writers.... HOLY MEN OF GOD SPAKE.

2 Peter 1:21 KJV
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Timothy is talking about ALL SCRIPTURE. All scripture is given by God, original languages or translations. If it's scripture then it's inspired, if it's not inspired it's not scripture and IS NOT profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction or instruction in righteousness.

2 Timothy 3:16 KJV
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[dcontroversal]

You're mixing 2 Peter 1:21 with 2 Timothy 3:16 and the two are not talking about the same thing. 2 Peter is most definitely talking about the original writers.... HOLY MEN OF GOD SPAKE.

2 Peter 1:21 KJV
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Timothy is talking about ALL SCRIPTURE. All scripture is given by God, original languages or translations. If it's scripture then it's inspired, if it's not inspired it's not scripture and IS NOT profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction or instruction in righteousness.

2 Timothy 3:16 KJV
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

I am not mixing anything...the letters to Timothy were inspirde 1st century A.D. as well as Jude which states clearly the system of teaching (faith) was delivered once unto the saints...there are NO inspired scriptures and or books after the completion of Revelation, much less 54 false teachers in 1611!

 

[KJV1611]

I am not mixing anything...the letters to Timothy were inspirde 1st century A.D. as well as Jude which states clearly the system of teaching (faith) was delivered once unto the saints...there are NO inspired scriptures and or books after the completion of Revelation, much less 54 false teachers in 1611!

Ok, I'm trying to see your side here. Are you saying that no bible is scripture?

 

[KJV1611]

The very word contradicts your belief...GOD INSPIRED HOLY MEN not false, satanic Episcopalian priests who teach heresy.....the context is clear and the word APPLIES unto the word as ORIGINALLY INSPIRED IN GREEK AND HEBREW.....YOUR argument based upon "is" has more holes than a spaghetti strainer and to be honest speaks volumes to your worship of the version over the truth!

I would also like to know where you got your info about the KJV translators. Where does satanic Episcopalian priests come from? How do you know this?

 

[followjesus]

"The KJV is far and away the best readily available translation form the correct text"

amen study after study it always holds up, much more accurately to the original text.

 

[dcontroversal]

Ok, I'm trying to see your side here. Are you saying that no bible is scripture?

Not saying that at all, saying the truth....the bible was inspired in Greek, Hebrew and a little Chaldean in Daniel....after that everything is a translation, or transliteration made by men....you already know i use the King Jim....but to say it is inspired contradicts the fact that God only inspired HOLY MEN to pen his word...not false teachers who were not even saved (by their doctrine) the King Jim CONTAINS THE word of God but the version was not inspired by God, but rather is a work of men.....the preface even tells us they copied and compared to other English versions....one inspired does not NEED to compare or copy from another version.....that is my point!

 

[KJV1611]

Not saying that at all, saying the truth....the bible was inspired in Greek, Hebrew and a little Chaldean in Daniel....after that everything is a translation, or transliteration made by men....you already know i use the King Jim....but to say it is inspired contradicts the fact that God only inspired HOLY MEN to pen his word...not false teachers who were not even saved (by their doctrine) the King Jim CONTAINS THE word of God but the version was not inspired by God, but rather is a work of men.....the preface even tells us they copied and compared to other English versions....one inspired does not NEED to compare or copy from another version.....that is my point!

I'll be back tomorrow, I have to get up a 5 am.

 

[RedeemedGift]

That's a good question and I would like to know which bible was the inerrant word before the KJV down through the years.

English wasn't even a language when the original, "inerrant" autographs were written, I don't even know if you know what you're asking here. Can human languages be inerrant in the first place? Considering how Jesus could say "ye must be born again", only to be completely misunderstood as to what he meant by that, I would say no. Jesus spoke in spirit, and the Spirit transcends human intellect and construct. The true form of the word of God is spiritual, it's not confined to any human construct like a language or a translation. An unbeliever could be gifted with the knowledge of ancient Hebrew and Greek and have the original scriptures fall into his lap yet remain an unbeliever even if he read them simply because his heart is not open to the Spirit of truth. Don't get hooked on the words of ink, but the Spirit who illuminates the Word for all who are willing to believe.

 

[dcontroversal]

I would also like to know where you got your info about the KJV translators. Where does satanic Episcopalian priests come from? How do you know this?

It amazes me that you have to ask that...what gospel do you think the Episcopalian priests teach......serious!

 

[fredoheaven]

Online Catholic Bible translated bishop to elder, must be fine, however, why there still need for to change since the word "bishop" is correct. I see some reason why maybe because, the Catholic bishop contradict what the KJV says of the qualification of having one wife.

[FONT=&quot]Here is a saying that you can rely on: to want to be a presiding elder is to desire a noble task.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][SUP]2[/SUP] That is why the presiding elder must have an impeccable character. Husband of one wife, he must be temperate, discreet and courteous, hospitable and a good teacher;


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[fredoheaven]

My favorite is NIV its in my language and trying to evangelize with the KJV only brings confusion when using their own language will solve a lot of confusion. KJVO-ists try to tell us that the KJV is the easiest version to understand and read. My observation is that the only ones who find the KJV to be easier to read are (1) those who do not have English as their first language (2) KJVO-ists and (3) those who grew up using it.

Anyway, if KJV English is so much better, than the KJVO-ists ought to speak it and write in it in their daily lives. When people look at them strange and say "whah?", they can call them stupid and ignorant.

I don't think the KJVO's is trying to tell that, on the reverse, the easy reading and easy to understand is a kind of charges to discredit the KJV. While it is centuries older than many of the modern Bibles is still at its best. Non- bias readability test online is fair enough to show the fair/ easy reading of the KJV.

As per easy to understand, real KJVo's will not downplay what the Bible says to "Study" or "Search", perhaps Modern versions is not telling you to study His words.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[followjesus]

English wasn't even a language when the original, "inerrant" autographs were written, I don't even know if you know what you're asking here. Can human languages be inerrant in the first place? Considering how Jesus could say "ye must be born again", only to be completely misunderstood as to what he meant by that, I would say no. Jesus spoke in spirit, and the Spirit transcends human intellect and construct. The true form of the word of God is spiritual, it's not confined to any human construct like a language or a translation. An unbeliever could be gifted with the knowledge of ancient Hebrew and Greek and have the original scriptures fall into his lap yet remain an unbeliever even if he read them simply because his heart is not open to the Spirit of truth. Don't get hooked on the words of ink, but the Spirit who illuminates the Word for all who are willing to believe.

amen, the knowledge of the Light of Jesus in the four gospels provides understanding

john 3:5-6 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water andof the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

john 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life"

which was being said beforehand in the prophets

isaiah 11:1-2 "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a BRANCH shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD"

isiah 49:2 "And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;"

and after

Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, andis a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

revelation 19:And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

and during

john 5:24 :Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."

john 12:44-50 "Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.45And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 46I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."

john 4:24-26 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he."

 

[trofimus]

I'm not avoiding lol, you are assuming the New Testament writers are quoting the Old Testament and they are not. They are bringing NEW or MORE insight to the Old Testament passages. Let's use your example from earlier.



Peter isn't quoting leviticus 20:7, he's bringing our attention to the whole chapter of Leviticus 11. Why? To show the NEW TESTAMENT meaning of being holy. Read 1 Peter 15-16 and Leviticus 45-46.

1 Peter 1:15-16 KJV
[15] But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
[16] Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Leviticus 11:45-46 KJV
[45] For I am the Lord that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.
[46] For I am the Lord your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

All of the verses in Leviticus 11 leading up to verses 45 and 46 are LAWS of do this and don't do that.... Why are they not to do those things? Because THEY ARE HOLY. Why are they holy, because God is holy [Leviticus 45 and 46].

All of that holiness through do this and don't do that is out the window in the New Testament... we are holy WITHOUT the works of the law and that's exactly what Peter is saying - be ye holy in all manner of CONVERSATION.... As it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Peter isn't quoting any Old Testament saying, he is asking us to go check out Leviticus 11.

Ok, let me find another one.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

I don't think the KJVO's is trying to tell that, on the reverse, the easy reading and easy to understand is a kind of charges to discredit the KJV. While it is centuries older than many of the modern Bibles is still at its best. Non- bias readability test online is fair enough to show the fair/ easy reading of the KJV.

I'll take my observation of people's reaction to the reading/hearing of the KJV over online/published/so-called scientific tests.

If you are of the mindset that the KJV style of writing is smoother and easier to read/write, then practice what you preach. See how far you get speaking to people in KJV English and telling them it's easier than modern English.

As per easy to understand, real KJVo's will not downplay what the Bible says to "Study" or "Search", perhaps Modern versions is not telling you to study His words.

The modern versions are not telling me to study Scripture? Seriously? Have we not argued on tithing? How did we do that?

All the people on this forum...constantly discussing/debating Biblical topics and using Scripture...you think they all read the KJV?

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

I use 2 Tim 3:16 in my NIV or NAS or whatever version I have at the time.

 

[trofimus]

Luke 4:8
"And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

Dt 6:13
Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.

(KJV)

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The right source:

Dt 6:13
Deuteronomy 6:13 Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

 

[trofimus]

Mark 7:6,7
"He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written,
This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

Is 29:13
"Wherefore the Lord said...with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men."

(KJV)

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Isaiah 29:13
"And the Lord has said, This people draw nigh to me with their mouth, and they honour me with their lips, but their heart is far from me: but in vain do they worship me, teaching the commandments and doctrines of men."

(LXX)

 

[followjesus]

Ok, let me find another one.

they absolutely are quoting many times the Law, and prophets lol

pauls entire dovtrine is built from it try this one

acts 26:22 "Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come" << pauls words

john :46-47 "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? < jesus words

paul quotes several times from the ot, as does peter, Jesus also.

anytime they say " it is written" and many times they simply quote it without that phrase

good luck with this one