King James Bible ONLY? Or NOT?
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God opens the eyes not me, I just present the verses. Again, your belief that the WHOLE old testament is wrong in all bibles is definitely hindering your ability to see.... no offence, I'm trying to help. 
Your KJV OT is probably similarly corrupted to me as the NIV is to you. Yeah, you can get the basic message, but many specific things are just wrong.
But it is not the main topic now... are you not worried at all that your faith is getting so much off-track from the common Christian belief? Even from the KJV translators belief?
לכן יתנם עד־עת יולדה ילדה ויתר אחיו ישׁובון על־בני ישׂראל׃ Micah 5:2
Micah 5:2. But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. (KJV)
Micah 5:2. “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
from ancient times.” (NIV)
Micah 5:2. But you, O Bethlehem of Ephrathah,
who are one of the little clans of Judah,
from you shall come forth for me
one who is to rule in Israel,
whose origin is from of old,
from ancient days. (NRSV)
The very most obvious difference in these three translations is that the NIV and the NRSV correctly translate the verse as poetry; and the KJV does not! That alone is a serious error because the very first step in interpreting any literature is to accurately determine the genre of literature in which it is written. This verse in Micah was never intended to be interpreted as though it is part of an historical narrative, and the NIV most certainly should not be criticized for giving us in this verse an historical error. Moreover, as has already been noted in this thread, this verse is a prophesy of the coming of the Messiah, understood by the Jews to be a human being and a descendent of David. However, the KJV puts a Christian spin on this Jewish literature even though the verse expressly says that this person will “rule in Israel,” which is clearly a Jewish rather than a Christian concept!
Micah 5:2. But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. (KJV)
Micah 5:2. “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
from ancient times.” (NIV)
Micah 5:2. But you, O Bethlehem of Ephrathah,
who are one of the little clans of Judah,
from you shall come forth for me
one who is to rule in Israel,
whose origin is from of old,
from ancient days. (NRSV)
The very most obvious difference in these three translations is that the NIV and the NRSV correctly translate the verse as poetry; and the KJV does not! That alone is a serious error because the very first step in interpreting any literature is to accurately determine the genre of literature in which it is written. This verse in Micah was never intended to be interpreted as though it is part of an historical narrative, and the NIV most certainly should not be criticized for giving us in this verse an historical error. Moreover, as has already been noted in this thread, this verse is a prophesy of the coming of the Messiah, understood by the Jews to be a human being and a descendent of David. However, the KJV puts a Christian spin on this Jewish literature even though the verse expressly says that this person will “rule in Israel,” which is clearly a Jewish rather than a Christian concept!
I tried to imagine Apollos talking about DNA to 1st century Jews and I must smile
Luckily, he had the Septugaint so he could mightly convince the unbelieving Jews that Jesus is the prophecised Christ
Luckily, he had the Septugaint so he could mightly convince the unbelieving Jews that Jesus is the prophecised Christ
Romans 10:17 KJV
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Faith comes by hearing but people can't hear with out another ingredient - the word of God. Try to understand what is being said there. You can present fact after fact after and the listener will NOT hear until they recieve hearing. They can only get hearing by the word of God. I seriously want you to ponder those words and figure out what they mean... don't go to another translation and CHANGE the words, ponder on the words from the KJV.
If we try to convince someone about Jesus using logic - the wisdom of this world, then we are wasting our time because that's not where faith comes from. Faith comes from HEARING!
Romans 10:17 KJV
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Faith comes by hearing but people can't hear with out another ingredient - the word of God. Try to understand what is being said there. You can present fact after fact after and the listener will NOT hear until they recieve hearing. They can only get hearing by the word of God. I seriously want you to ponder those words and figure out what they mean... don't go to another translation and CHANGE the words, ponder on the words from the KJV.
Romans 10:17 KJV
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Faith comes by hearing but people can't hear with out another ingredient - the word of God. Try to understand what is being said there. You can present fact after fact after and the listener will NOT hear until they recieve hearing. They can only get hearing by the word of God. I seriously want you to ponder those words and figure out what they mean... don't go to another translation and CHANGE the words, ponder on the words from the KJV.
Worship the KJV!
Ya di ya di ya...................
Not only an heretic but trying to lead others astray......
I don't have a problem with what I have highlighted, but your view is that the word of God is the KJV and none other - that is the heresy and you are trying to lead others astray!
There is a big difference between someone coming on this forum and asking for help in trying to sort out their beliefs and someone like yourself having heretical beliefs and actively trying to lead others astray.
There is a big difference between someone coming on this forum and asking for help in trying to sort out their beliefs and someone like yourself having heretical beliefs and actively trying to lead others astray.
Read it from the NASB also.
Romans 10:17New American Standard Bible (NASB)
17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word [a]of Christ.
Footnotes:
Romans 10:17New American Standard Bible (NASB)
17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word [a]of Christ.
Footnotes:
- Romans 10:17 Or concerning Christ