King James Bible ONLY? Or NOT?
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Hmm, but then the one that doesn't make it, implies, Jesus Christ never knew them? Right?
Also elected, and Jesus not losing one the Father sends Him, implies that anyone who looks and sounds like a Christian, and thinks their saved, may not be because they haven't overcome certain things?
But then are we getting into temporary belief, permanent belief, alternating belief, deluded belief. How can anyone know in this dangerous thought area? How much belief is enough? How much do I have to overcome? Will I ever know? Is it just continuing to have faith. But faith in what contexts? In being saved by Jesus Christ alone, yes. In being saved by overcoming? Or more. This area gets soooooo wobbly.
Also elected, and Jesus not losing one the Father sends Him, implies that anyone who looks and sounds like a Christian, and thinks their saved, may not be because they haven't overcome certain things?
But then are we getting into temporary belief, permanent belief, alternating belief, deluded belief. How can anyone know in this dangerous thought area? How much belief is enough? How much do I have to overcome? Will I ever know? Is it just continuing to have faith. But faith in what contexts? In being saved by Jesus Christ alone, yes. In being saved by overcoming? Or more. This area gets soooooo wobbly.
People may say that because King James was a heathen,that possibly the KJV Bible may not be error free.
But that does not matter when you are dealing with God,for He also uses the heathen for His purpose.
Look at America with its religious diversity,even allowing satanism,and witchcraft,the new age movement,and occult groups,with anything goes multiculturism,and the Babylonian spirit,but they allow Christianity to be practiced,and let it be preached in other countries without physical persecution.
King Nebuchadnezzar was a heathen king,but God caused his kingdom to flourish,and blessed Babylon greater than any other kingdom,and he believed in more than one God,and things of the occult,witchcraft,and such,but he was still blessed by God,and his kingdom prospered.
Dan 2:46 Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him.
Dan 2:47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.
Dan 2:48 Then the king made Daniel a great man, and gave him many great gifts, and made him ruler over the whole province of Babylon, and chief of the governors over all the wise men of Babylon.
Dan 3:28 Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.
Dan 3:29 Therefore I make a decree, That every people, nation, and language, which speak any thing amiss against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, shall be cut in pieces, and their houses shall be made a dunghill: because there is no other God that can deliver after this sort.
Dan 3:30 Then the king promoted Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, in the province of Babylon.
Dan 4:34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Dan 4:36 At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.
Dan 4:37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.
Dan 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
King Nebuchadnezzar proclaimed the God of Israel as the greatest God,although he believed in other gods,and proclaimed throughout his kingdom to honor the God of Israel,even though he was a heathen that believed in the occult,and things of that nature,and caused his kingdom to prosper more than any other kingdom on earth,and Babylon rode on eagle's wings.
His Son blew it when he became king,and the wings were plucked,and they lost their favor with God,and would then be known as the kingdom of man,for the more you know,and turn from it,the harder the fall.
So king James being a heathen has nothing to do with the KJV being corrupt,for God can use the heathen to do His will if He wants to do that,and could have them translate the Bible up to standard procedure.
For look at all the errors of the Catholic Church,but yet they do not find their way in to the KJV,and why is that,for there is some things they believe,and their traditions,which the Bible contradicts,and if they wanted to hear it their way,then why did they not change that when translating the scriptures.
They could not actually corrupt the truth of God,so they had to have extra biblical books to do the corrupting,although they do corrupt with their wrongful teachings of the Bible.
I have read through the KJV,and it is the same theme throughout it,but I am not saying KJV only,but I do not believe it is corrupt,but reliable.
But it can easily be put to the test.
Put scriptures up concerning the other translations about a subject,where thou mayest find scriptures to support the subject,and see if the KJV does not say the same.
Or show something in the other translations that the KJV lacks,or adds to it,if thou can do it.
I do not believe it can be done,and the KJV will probably overall give the best coverage of any subject matter anyway.
God said,prove all things,for if the KJV is corrupt the other translations should disclose it,but they will not.
Because it is the same theme throughout the KJV Bible,so show where it is in error using the other translations,for if it is in error the other translations should disclose it,uncover,bring it to light,but they doeth no such thing,for they cannot.
Produce your cause,saith the king of Jacob,bring forth your strong reasons,saith the LORD,and prove the other translations are correct,and the KJV incorrect.Behold,they cannot answer a word,for they will prove nothing.
God can use the heathen to do His will if He wants to do that,like God used the heathen king Nebuchadnezzar to proclaim the God of Israel during his rule throughout his kingdom,like God can use America to get the Gospel out,although America is quite the heathen nation.
But that does not matter when you are dealing with God,for He also uses the heathen for His purpose.
Look at America with its religious diversity,even allowing satanism,and witchcraft,the new age movement,and occult groups,with anything goes multiculturism,and the Babylonian spirit,but they allow Christianity to be practiced,and let it be preached in other countries without physical persecution.
King Nebuchadnezzar was a heathen king,but God caused his kingdom to flourish,and blessed Babylon greater than any other kingdom,and he believed in more than one God,and things of the occult,witchcraft,and such,but he was still blessed by God,and his kingdom prospered.
Dan 2:46 Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him.
Dan 2:47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.
Dan 2:48 Then the king made Daniel a great man, and gave him many great gifts, and made him ruler over the whole province of Babylon, and chief of the governors over all the wise men of Babylon.
Dan 3:28 Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.
Dan 3:29 Therefore I make a decree, That every people, nation, and language, which speak any thing amiss against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, shall be cut in pieces, and their houses shall be made a dunghill: because there is no other God that can deliver after this sort.
Dan 3:30 Then the king promoted Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, in the province of Babylon.
Dan 4:34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Dan 4:36 At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.
Dan 4:37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.
Dan 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
King Nebuchadnezzar proclaimed the God of Israel as the greatest God,although he believed in other gods,and proclaimed throughout his kingdom to honor the God of Israel,even though he was a heathen that believed in the occult,and things of that nature,and caused his kingdom to prosper more than any other kingdom on earth,and Babylon rode on eagle's wings.
His Son blew it when he became king,and the wings were plucked,and they lost their favor with God,and would then be known as the kingdom of man,for the more you know,and turn from it,the harder the fall.
So king James being a heathen has nothing to do with the KJV being corrupt,for God can use the heathen to do His will if He wants to do that,and could have them translate the Bible up to standard procedure.
For look at all the errors of the Catholic Church,but yet they do not find their way in to the KJV,and why is that,for there is some things they believe,and their traditions,which the Bible contradicts,and if they wanted to hear it their way,then why did they not change that when translating the scriptures.
They could not actually corrupt the truth of God,so they had to have extra biblical books to do the corrupting,although they do corrupt with their wrongful teachings of the Bible.
I have read through the KJV,and it is the same theme throughout it,but I am not saying KJV only,but I do not believe it is corrupt,but reliable.
But it can easily be put to the test.
Put scriptures up concerning the other translations about a subject,where thou mayest find scriptures to support the subject,and see if the KJV does not say the same.
Or show something in the other translations that the KJV lacks,or adds to it,if thou can do it.
I do not believe it can be done,and the KJV will probably overall give the best coverage of any subject matter anyway.
God said,prove all things,for if the KJV is corrupt the other translations should disclose it,but they will not.
Because it is the same theme throughout the KJV Bible,so show where it is in error using the other translations,for if it is in error the other translations should disclose it,uncover,bring it to light,but they doeth no such thing,for they cannot.
Produce your cause,saith the king of Jacob,bring forth your strong reasons,saith the LORD,and prove the other translations are correct,and the KJV incorrect.Behold,they cannot answer a word,for they will prove nothing.
God can use the heathen to do His will if He wants to do that,like God used the heathen king Nebuchadnezzar to proclaim the God of Israel during his rule throughout his kingdom,like God can use America to get the Gospel out,although America is quite the heathen nation.
I think you could find something in any translation. For instance, is the mark of the beast going to be a microchip implant…maybe a tattoo of some kind? Will it be on/upon the hand, or in/within the hand? Let’s look at the KJV vs. various others when comparing Revelation 13:16.
KJV: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
NKJV: He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
ESV: Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,
NASB: And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,
HCSB: And he requires everyone—small and great, rich and poor, free and slave—to be given a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,
NLT: He required everyone—small and great, rich and poor, free and slave—to be given a mark on the right hand or on the forehead.
NIV: It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,
The word in question is under Strong’s number 1909. I don’t have a problem with looking at possible variances within translations, but I don’t think that the KJV is a perfect transcription either.
KJV: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
NKJV: He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
ESV: Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,
NASB: And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,
HCSB: And he requires everyone—small and great, rich and poor, free and slave—to be given a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,
NLT: He required everyone—small and great, rich and poor, free and slave—to be given a mark on the right hand or on the forehead.
NIV: It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,
The word in question is under Strong’s number 1909. I don’t have a problem with looking at possible variances within translations, but I don’t think that the KJV is a perfect transcription either.
Hmm, I think active believers probably have more than one, but most believers go to church and follow the church Bible choice, I think? Which is NIV in Europe as far as I know and it's popular in other nations also. Catholics obviously stick to theirs and Mormons/ Jehovah's etc, otherwise there wouldn't be any.
OK! I guess I was never that way. I have over 15 hard copy Bibles, quite a few of them study Bibles. And Bibles in French, Spanish and German. To say nothing of Hebrew and Greek.
However, now, with the internet, comparing versions is so easy. in Greek, many of the students had Accordance or Logos and multiple copies at hand. I just opened a few pages of Biblegateway. We would translate, then see which versions were more true to the verb usage, esp, participles. Word order and syntax were also interesting to compare.
In the end, our professor believed that what is important in translating is taking the words in the original languages and making them clear to modern readers. This is where the KJV totally fails. Too many obscure and archaic words. He is on the translation committees for the ESV and NIV. He said that was where he realized that communicating God's Word was the most important thing when translating.
I love Greek, and I seem to have a flare for linguistics. However, if someone reads only one version, they will still understand that the Bible is the revelation of Jesus Christ, and the plan of salvation, written in its pages. And if they stick to modern translations, they will get to know and follow Jesus by steady and disciplined reading of the Bible.
However, now, with the internet, comparing versions is so easy. in Greek, many of the students had Accordance or Logos and multiple copies at hand. I just opened a few pages of Biblegateway. We would translate, then see which versions were more true to the verb usage, esp, participles. Word order and syntax were also interesting to compare.
In the end, our professor believed that what is important in translating is taking the words in the original languages and making them clear to modern readers. This is where the KJV totally fails. Too many obscure and archaic words. He is on the translation committees for the ESV and NIV. He said that was where he realized that communicating God's Word was the most important thing when translating.
I love Greek, and I seem to have a flare for linguistics. However, if someone reads only one version, they will still understand that the Bible is the revelation of Jesus Christ, and the plan of salvation, written in its pages. And if they stick to modern translations, they will get to know and follow Jesus by steady and disciplined reading of the Bible.