KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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trofimus said:
I suppose you think that these Galatians Paul is talking to were unsaved/lost their salvation by accepting the false teaching of Jews?
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No, absolutely not. I believe they were saved and had the Holy Spirit in them, because that's what the bible says. They were falling for a false gospel and Paul was correcting them.
 
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KJV1611 said:
No, absolutely not. I believe they were saved and had the Holy Spirit in them, because that's what the bible says. They were falling for a false gospel and Paul was correcting them.
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OK, so why are you posting verses about Galatians, how does it relate to the question If unsaved ones can have the Holy Spirit?
 
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trofimus said:
Can you name at least one inspired perfect Bible in whole the history of Christianity (excluding the KJV)?

BTW, do you use 1611 or 1769?
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No I can't name another perfect bible, if never even looked at a Bishops or Tyndell bible in my life. I read the 1769, it's easier to read than 1611.
 
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trofimus said:
OK, so why are you posting verses about Galatians, how does it relate to the question If unsaved ones can have the Holy Spirit?
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Because Paul is travailing to birth Christ in the SAVED Galatian believers.

[h=1]Galatians 4:19 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,[/FONT]
 
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KJV1611 said:
No I can't name another perfect bible, if never even looked at a Bishops or Tyndell bible in my life. I read the 1769, it's easier to read than 1611.
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And which one of 1611, 1769 is the perfect and inspired one?
 
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Because Paul is travailing to birth Christ in the SAVED Galatian believers.

[h=1]Galatians 4:19 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,[/FONT]
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You changed the verse a little.

Paul did not say he is travailing to birth Christ in them, but to form Christ in them.
 
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I think the KJV is at the top as far as translations go, I personally like the 1900 KJV pure Cambridge Edition

but a new modern bible that I think gives the KJV a run for the finish line is the New Heart English Bible for the most it lines up with the KJV.
 
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I think the KJV is at the top as far as translations go, I personally like the 1900 KJV pure Cambridge Edition

but a new modern bible that I think gives the KJV a run for the finish line is the New Heart English Bible for the most it lines up with the KJV.
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That's news to me, I'll check it out if it has the same message as the KJV.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I haven't moticed any difference in the messages of both so I would say both are inspired.
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So the inspiration is only to a "message level", not to every word level? There can be "small" errors like "you vs them"?
 
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Ok you paraphrase the verse for me lol.
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"Oh, my dear children! I feel as if I'm going through labor pains for you again, and they will continue until Christ is fully developed in your lives."
New Living Translation - NLT :p
 
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trofimus said:

"Oh, my dear children! I feel as if I'm going through labor pains for you again, and they will continue until Christ is fully developed in your lives."
New Living Translation - NLT :p
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That's why I read the KJV lol.
 
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KJV1611 said:
It sounds like they paraphrased based on their understanding of the verse.
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Sure, it cannot be done differently :D But do you think they understanding is wrong?

Aaand you overlooked my question:

So the inspiration is only to a "message level", not to every word level? There can be "small" errors like "you vs them"?
 
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trofimus said:
Sure, it cannot be done differently :D But do you think they understanding is wrong?

Aaand you overlooked my question:

So the inspiration is only to a "message level", not to every word level? There can be "small" errors like "you vs them"?
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The meaning is completely different between the 2 bibles, it's not just the addition of a couple of words, those words completely changed the meaning of the verse.

And yes I think their understanding is wrong, can I prove it, no. All I can say is that the 2 bibles will form 2 different Christs in the readers.
 
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The meaning is completely different between the 2 bibles, it's not just the addition of a couple of words, those words completely changed the meaning of the verse.

And yes I think their understanding is wrong, can I prove it, no. All I can say is that the 2 bibles will form 2 different Christs in the readers.
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Clearly you believe that one "Christ" is true and the other is false. I welcome you to unpack this and describe the characteristics of each "Christ" sufficiently so that others can understand your reasoning.
 
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Dino246 said:
Clearly you believe that one "Christ" is true and the other is false. I welcome you to unpack this and describe the characteristics of each "Christ" sufficiently so that others can understand your reasoning.
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Sure no problem. Everbody has a view of Christ based on what we've been taught and read. That is the Christ in them. The Christ in me IS NOT the same Christ that's in someone who came to understand Christ a different way than I did.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Sure no problem. Everbody has a view of Christ based on what we've been taught and read. That is the Christ in them. The Christ in me IS NOT the same Christ that's in someone who came to understand Christ a different way than I did.
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But Christ is not just some knowledge in you which you have been taught or which you read. He is a person.

So if you are a real Christian, He is in you as He is in others. He is not different if you believe in Young Earth or Old Earth, for example.
 
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