KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

[Joseppi]

All bibles have errors.

Says some doubtful people who seek to establish error according to their own understanding.
Incorruptible means man can’t corrupt it.

Born again and saved are the same.

Not true. For salvation includes redemption of the body. And salvation requires faithfulness unto the end, not faithful for a short time until one falls away into unbelief.
Go find a scripture teaching past tense faith or salvation.

7 year tribulation.

This would require a thread to make it known. The reason is because end times things were kept hidden till now lest the enemy know too much.
But essentially it is an understanding of a week of years not yet accounted for as per Daniel the prophet.

Flesh Jews are Gods chosen people.

The true Israel of God is Christ Jesus.
Them not in Christ are not of the true Israel and perish in their unbelief. They have been cut off the olive tree and will not be grafted back in without faith in Jesus.
However there are many promises given to the Jews that do have faith in Jesus.

 

[John146]

Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

In the above we see that the tares and wheat grow together until the time of the end.

Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

The harvest is the end of the world.

Mark 4:29 But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come.

When the fruit appears at the end then the harvesting will commence immediately.

I see this as pertaining to the gathering of the harvest of the nation of Israel at the end of the tribulation.

 

[John146]

Jacob had his trouble when Christ came the first time. I don't see 2 times of Jacob's trouble in the bible.

That was not as near as bad as the great tribulation to come.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[KJV1611]

Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Above is the context of 70ad when the days of vengeance began.

Whereas, the time of Jacob’s trouble is at the end, and out of which trouble a remnant shall be saved.

Jeremiah 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

Question, when did God raise up David their king? No, the literal David is not coming back to rule over Israel lol.
And when was the yoke in verse 8 broken off?

 

[KJV1611]

Born again and being saved is the same. once you have repented of your sins and have recieved the Holy Ghost ,you are saved from that point on. The only way to loose it is if you turn from God and go back to your old ways. The Holy Spirit will depart from you. The Israelites flesh is God's chosen, including the Jews, which is one of the twelve tribes of Israel. They are the only tribe that did not turn their backs on God. God's heart is in Jerusalem. You have to remember that we Gentiles are not his chosen people, but we have been granted the right to be heirs and joint heirs in the Kingdom. The only person in the bible that I know that had the Holy Spirit and it departed from him was King Saul who rejected the word of God after having the knowledge.

The requirement for salvation:

[h=1]Romans 10:13 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

The requirement for being born again.

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[h=1]1 Peter 1:23 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

If we simply call upon the name of the Lord to be saved but we have to read the incorruptible seed to be born again, how can those possibly be the same event.... the requirements to recieve both are different?[/FONT]

 

[KJV1611]

Born again and being saved is the same. once you have repented of your sins and have recieved the Holy Ghost ,you are saved from that point on. The only way to loose it is if you turn from God and go back to your old ways. The Holy Spirit will depart from you. The Israelites flesh is God's chosen, including the Jews, which is one of the twelve tribes of Israel. They are the only tribe that did not turn their backs on God. God's heart is in Jerusalem. You have to remember that we Gentiles are not his chosen people, but we have been granted the right to be heirs and joint heirs in the Kingdom. The only person in the bible that I know that had the Holy Spirit and it departed from him was King Saul who rejected the word of God after having the knowledge.

Romans 9:8 King James Version (KJV)

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The children of the flesh (flesh descendants) are not the children of God... the children of the promise (God's chosen) are counted as the seed and fellow hiers of Christ.


Galatians 4:28 King James Version (KJV)

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Now we (Paul and Gentile Galatians) are the children of promise.

God's chosen people have never been flesh Jews although some flesh Jews like Isaac were chosen, race has nothing to do with being God's chosen people.

 

[KJV1611]

Says some doubtful people who seek to establish error according to their own understanding.
Incorruptible means man can’t corrupt it.
Not true. For salvation includes redemption of the body. And salvation requires faithfulness unto the end, not faithful for a short time until one falls away into unbelief.
Go find a scripture teaching past tense faith or salvation.
This would require a thread to make it known. The reason is because end times things were kept hidden till now lest the enemy know too much.
But essentially it is an understanding of a week of years not yet accounted for as per Daniel the prophet.
The true Israel of God is Christ Jesus.
Them not in Christ are not of the true Israel and perish in their unbelief. They have been cut off the olive tree and will not be grafted back in without faith in Jesus.
However there are many promises given to the Jews that do have faith in Jesus.

I wasn't reading the incorruptible word of God when I was saved, I didn't even know there was a such a thing as the incorruptible word. So how is it that I got saved and born again at the same time and all of that without the incorruptible seed?

 

[Joseppi]

Show me scripture that says a person has to study scripture to be saved and I'll believe you.

The thing to study is salvation.
Some think they are saved by believing facts about Jesus.
But Jesus taught that when he returns if he doesn’t know a person they aren’t saved.
And Jesus taught that we must continue in his word.

Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Salvation is nearer.

Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Salvation must be worked out and fear and trembling is involved because salvation involves faithfulness in the midst of tribulations, the being no such thing as a once upon a time, past tense faith that pleases God.

1 Thessalonians 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

The hope of salvation.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.


Jesus will appear the second time unto salvation.

1 Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Saints are keot by God’s power until the last time in which time salvation will then be revealed.

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Salvation is at the end of your faith not at the beginning.

Thus it behooves is to study scripture unto salvation.

 

[Joseppi]

I see this as pertaining to the gathering of the harvest of the nation of Israel at the end of the tribulation.

Jesus said the field is the world, not just Israel.
But I am unsure of the basis you have for thinking as you do.
Maybe some other time we can discuss this.

 

[KJV1611]

The thing to study is salvation.
Some think they are saved by believing facts about Jesus.
But Jesus taught that when he returns if he doesn’t know a person they aren’t saved.
And Jesus taught that we must continue in his word.

Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Salvation is nearer.

Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Salvation must be worked out and fear and trembling is involved because salvation involves faithfulness in the midst of tribulations, the being no such thing as a once upon a time, past tense faith that pleases God.

1 Thessalonians 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

The hope of salvation.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.


Jesus will appear the second time unto salvation.

1 Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Saints are keot by God’s power until the last time in which time salvation will then be revealed.

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Salvation is at the end of your faith not at the beginning.

Thus it behooves is to study scripture unto salvation.

I believe every verse you posted but I did not see one verse that said I was saved by reading the incorruptible word. Did you?

 

[KJV1611]

That was not as near as bad as the great tribulation to come.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

What makes you think Matthew 24 isn't talking about the time of Jacob's trouble? I mean Jacob was totally wiped out except for a remnant. The nation was destroyed and the kingdom of God was taken from them and given to the Gentiles.

 

[Joseppi]

Question, when did God raise up David their king? No, the literal David is not coming back to rule over Israel lol.
And when was the yoke in verse 8 broken off?

David was dead when Jeremiah prophesied the quote I presented to you.
And Jesus is the one who will sit on the throne of David.
But, you need to read the quotes I presented more carefully.

But if you don’t understand it then it will require more discussion at some other time.
However all you need was posted already.

 

[KJV1611]

David was dead when Jeremiah prophesied the quote I presented to you.
And Jesus is the one who will sit on the throne of David.
But, you need to read the quotes I presented more carefully.

But if you don’t understand it then it will require more discussion at some other time.
However all you need was posted already.

I understand it and I understand that when Jesus came the first time he fulfilled the verses you are talking about... and there is no doubt about it because that happened at the same time God broke the yoke between Jacob and Esau.

Remember Esau have I hated but Jacob have I loved. It's symbolic language of the law and yoke of bondage the pharisees put on God's TRUE people. That happened at the cross.

 

[Joseppi]

I wasn't reading the incorruptible word of God when I was saved, I didn't even know there was a such a thing as the incorruptible word. So how is it that I got saved and born again at the same time and all of that without the incorruptible seed?

You haven’t got saved.
And you can’t be saved apart from the incorruptible word of God.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Have you been born again or not?
And if you have, how do you know you have?

 

[Joseppi]

I believe every verse you posted but I did not see one verse that said I was saved by reading the incorruptible word. Did you?

First the scriptures showed that your idea of salvation being past tense rather than future is false.

Then I suggested for your consideration that as you hope for salvation you are required to continue in the word of Jesus as he commands us to do if we desire truth to set us free.
Which freedom is of salvation.

I think you must be believe in once saved always saved or some such doctrine.

 

[KJV1611]

You haven’t got saved.
And you can’t be saved apart from the incorruptible word of God.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Have you been born again or not?
And if you have, how do you know you have?

Yes I'm saved, I was saved 23 years ago with no bible whatsoever, I was an atheist. I was at a preachers house working on his freezer and he started witnessing to me and the next thing I knew I was down on my knees crying and accepting Christ as my savior. Basically all I did was call upon the name of the Lord and he saved me. I certainly didn't know jack about the incorruptible word of God.

I was born again about 8 years ago, after converting to the KJV. I began to read it and the more I read it the more I could see the kingdom of God. And then eventually I entered the promised land.

 

[KJV1611]

First the scriptures showed that your idea of salvation being past tense rather than future is false.

Then I suggested for your consideration that as you hope for salvation you are required to continue in the word of Jesus as he commands us to do if we desire truth to set us free.
Which freedom is of salvation.

I think you must be believe in once saved always saved or some such doctrine.

My salvation is forever from the moment I got saved. All I'm waiting on is to trade this corruption for incorruption. Of course I believe in once saved always saved because that's what the bible teaches. I thought you weren't works salvation believer.

 

[Dino246]

Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

Again, Scripture making no separation from Jesus and His word.

What bruised the head of the serpent? Was it "the word of God" or was it Christ?

 

[Joseppi]

I understand it and I understand that when Jesus came the first time he fulfilled the verses you are talking about... and there is no doubt about it because that happened at the same time God broke the yoke between Jacob and Esau.

Remember Esau have I hated but Jacob have I loved. It's symbolic language of the law and yoke of bondage the pharisees put on God's TRUE people. That happened at the cross.

You are not reading carefully.
The Jeremiah quote isn’t about Christ coming the first time.

But I am not interested in walking you through things you should be doing on your own.
If you choose to retain certain private notions you have regardless of scripture then I am not interested in discussion with you.

 

[KJV1611]

You are not reading carefully.
The Jeremiah quote isn’t about Christ coming the first time.

But I am not interested in walking you through things you should be doing on your own.
If you choose to retain certain private notions you have regardless of scripture then I am not interested in discussion with you.

Ok then maybe you could explain the breaking the yoke thing and how that happens some time in the future.