Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

lamad · May 7, 2021

John's chronology continued.
◘ The two witnesses show up, probably just 3 1/2 days before the division point of the week. They will continue for the next 1260 days.
◘ Chapter 11 continued The 7th trumpet sounds as the man of sin enters the temple and declare's he is God. It is the abomination Jesus spoke of. This becomes the division point of the week. The first 1260 days (not mentioned) are over.
◘ Chapter 12:6 continues on from chapter 11: the 7th trumpet: 12:6 is only seconds after the abomination, proving that the 7th trumpet is the marker for the midpoint. 12:6 are those in Judea fleeing because they saw the abomination.
◘ There are two more countdowns to the end of the week here: 1260 days, and time, times and half of time, proving chapter 12 is a midpoint chapter.
◘ There is war in heaven and Satan is cast down. He goes after those who fled, but failing there goes after all who love Jesus
◘ John sees the Beast rise up: chapter 13 He is given 42 months, the last countdown to the end, proving chapter 13 is still a midpoint chapter.
◘ John sees the second Beast enter the scene.
◘ The rest of chapter 13 is probably written as a parenthesis telling us what the Beast and False Prophet will do to create the days of GT.
◘ Chapter 14 sees the 144,000 are now in heaven as the firstfruits of the Hebrews. Then God gives 3 warnings to all people in their own language. This is probably about where the days of GT begin.
◘ Next in John's vision is a very symbolic prophecy of the coming harvest, first of the righteous being beheaded, then of the wicked being killed as in Armageddon.
◘ Chapter 15 sees the beheaded BEGIN to show up in heaven. Then the preparations for the 7 angels with plagues and bowls of wrath.
◘ The days of GT are reaching a peak as probably millions are being beheaded.
◘ God pours out the first 5 vials immediately to shorten the days of GT. These vials will render people helpless to carry on their beheadings.
◘ At the right time, the 6th vial will begin the process of gathering the nations' armies to Israel
◘ The 7th vial ends the week and ends the Jewish age. It is "the last day." God will resurrect the OT saints causing the worst earthquake ever to hit earth. Probably millions from before the flood will be raised.
◘ Chapters 17 describes the Beast's empire and the city from which he deceived the entire world.
◘ Chapter 18 describles the utter destruction of the harlot city, Jerusalem
◘ Chapter 19 shows the marriage and supper in heaven, then Jesus return to Armagdden, the taking of the Beast and False Prophet, and the battle of Armageddon.
◘ Chapter 20 shows us the millennial kingdom starting.

No need for any rearranging. It is a straight walk through history and then the future. All we must watch for is some parenthesis, and intermissions. ANY theory that must rearrange these ordered events to fit, will be proven wrong.

lamad · May 7, 2021

Runningman said:

Isaiah says "in the day of his fierce anger" That will include the entire 70th week, the day of Christ's coming to Armageddon, and the entire millennial Reign. Part of "that day" will include "after the tribulation of those days."

Did you not know that "every mountain and island were moved out of their places" in that terrible earthquake and tsunami that hit Japan a few years ago? The earth moved its axis about 6" if I remember right. That is a HUGE difference from an earthquake so violent that all mountains quake right down into the earth.

I wonder, when you conceive a theory, do you actually check it out with a good study of scripture? How could anyone imagine mountains moving with mountains disappearing?

Well, I guess when people think a total eclipse of the sun and the moon are the same thing as total darkness and the sun and moon and stars not seen, they can believe most anything.

Runningman · May 7, 2021

lamad said:

Scripture proves that the 6th seal and 7th vial describe the same event Jesus said would occur "immediately after the tribulation" in Matthew 24:29.

The first resurrection and rapture occurs when Jesus returns at the last, 7th trumpet:

1 Corinthians 15:52
“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:23
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

7th trumpet
Revelation 11:15-19
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

In summary, scripture just proved to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 6th seal and 7th vial happen immediately after the great tribulation and they are the same thing.

The 7th trumpet is the return of Christ when the church is gathered. There's literally no way to make the rapture pre-tribulation.

TheDivineWatermark · May 7, 2021

Runningman said:

V.17's "thou hast taken" is in the "PERFECT INDICATIVE" (started at some point in the past, and continuing into the present)...

And in several versions, v.18 is rendered (so as to be consistent in the verbs of a [same] sentence) as "thy wrath CAME [ēlthen]" ... SAME form of the word as used in the following:

Matthew 12:42 V-AIA-3S
GRK: αὐτήν ὅτι ἦλθεν ἐκ τῶν
NAS: it, because she came from the ends
KJV: for she came from
INT: it for she came from the

[speaking of "the queen of the south" and what took place many years prior to the point in time this was written]

[some of the versions that have v.18 translated as "CAME": esv, nasb, literal standard, smith's literal, mace, worrell, haweis... and the ylt has it as "did come"]

I think the key is the "PERFECT INDICATIVE" of the verb in the first part of this sentence (v.17). It's NOT saying He "JUST NOW hast taken to thee thy great power [and reigned]" but at some point [started] IN THE PAST, from this point in the chronology (Rev11:17-18)

FreeGrace2 · May 7, 2021

lamad said:

Was there a verse in ch 18 you could at least note?

Thanks.

Truth7t7 · May 7, 2021

FreeGrace2 said:

Your claim is false, Revelation 20:1-6 is 100% (Spiritual World)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

lamad · May 7, 2021

Runningman said:

Scripture proves that the 6th seal and 7th vial describe the same event Jesus said would occur "immediately after the tribulation" in Matthew 24:29.

The first resurrection and rapture occurs when Jesus returns at the last, 7th trumpet:

1 Corinthians 15:52
“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:23
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

7th trumpet
Revelation 11:15-19
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

In summary, scripture just proved to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 6th seal and 7th vial happen immediately after the great tribulation and they are the same thing.

The 7th trumpet is the return of Christ when the church is gathered. There's literally no way to make the rapture pre-tribulation.

Runningman said:

No, definitely not! Scripture rightly divided and correctly understood teaches just the opposite.

Next, the 7th trumpet, found in a MIDPOINT chapter, is at the MIDPOINT, not the end. Very poor bible exegesis.

lamad · May 7, 2021

FreeGrace2 said:

Revelation 18:10
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
Revelation 18:17
For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar of
Revelation 18:19
And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

FreeGrace2 · May 7, 2021

Truth7t7 said:

You haven't come close to proving your man made fantasy. Rev 20 (all of it) is clearly literal.

What is the question mark doing at the end of this totally confused non sensical sentence?

You have no facts. You have a man made fantasy. All made up. No proof. Just an excuse to believe whatever you want to.

I've asked you specific questions that you haven't even tried to answer or even address. So why should anyone believe anything you post?

The proof of your failure is your mindless copy and paste of the same things over and over rather than dealing with any questions.

Once again, I ask you to explain what the red words specifically refer to.

Rev 19 records Christ's second coming. So Rev 20 FOLLOWS ch 19, which proves that the 1,000 years (Millennium) occurs AFTER Christ returns. Yet you claim that the Millennium ends when Christ returns at the Second Advent.

You couldn't be more confused. Proven by your failure to answer any questions.

FreeGrace2 · May 7, 2021

lamad said:

Revelation 18:10
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
Revelation 18:17
For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar of
Revelation 18:19
And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Thanks. Now, what does "one hour" mean or refer to? Thanks.

lamad · May 7, 2021

TheDivineWatermark said:

"thou hast taken to thee " Greek lambanō λαμβάνω
Speech:Verb; Tense

erfect; Voice:Active; Mood:Indicative; Person:2nd Person; Number:Singular
What does this all mean?
"The perfect tense is used to describe completed action in the present time" (A Digital Tutorial for Ancient Greek) In other words After taking the last bite of cake, someone says, "I have eaten dinner." Its a done deal, but it was JUST NOW done.

What had just happened?
11:15...The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

The courtroom of heaven had just taken the kingdoms of the world away from Satan and given then to Jesus. What I don't understand is, where was his great power before? Perhaps it only means, He had no authority to use in in the world while Satan was the god of the word. Now that Satan was gone, He had legal authority to use His great power.

WHY did Satan lose at this point in time, at the 7th trumpet? I believe because Adam was given a 6000 year lease and at the sounding of the 7th trumpet Adam's lease EXPIRED! Suddenly Satan had no legal hold on earth!

TheDivineWatermark said:

Sorry, but John used the type of verb that came from the Holy Spirit. Almost all the verbs in verse 18 are Aorist verbs that are "undefined:" they show no tense at all.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

were angry, API
is come, AAI
that they should be judged, APN
that thou shouldest give 2AAN
them that fear PNP-DPM
shouldest destroy AAN
them which destroy PAP

The truth then, all we can know about the wrath that "is come" Is "wrath." There is no time or tense included. I would like to add 'wrath exists" but that is present so cannot be used. All we know for sure is "wrath."

So at the midpoint of the 70th week, we know God's wrath (was, is, or will come) we just don't know. However, since the Day of His wrath started at the 6th seal, John is just confirming that God still has wrath.

There are two verbs in this sentence that is not an Aorist Verb: "them that fear" (Present tense) and "Them which destroy (presence tense.)

This is after the trumpet judgments, and without a doubt the nations know GOD DID IT! I can believe the nations would be angry. The time of judging the dead is after the 1000 years. At this time believers who were raptured have been given rewards. The OT saints will rise on the last day and they will get rewards. Finally, God has been underway since the first trumpet to destroy the sinners who are destroying the the earth.

Note, since it is impossible in translating into English a verb with no tense involved, the translator is in a tight spot: they have to choose an English verb that HAS tense. Often they choose simple past tense: as TDW has shone, "came." Aorist verbs are not easy. It is hard to picture a verb with no tense.

Truth7t7 · May 7, 2021

FreeGrace2 said:

Another false teaching and belief

The book of Revelation isnt in chronological order, but is in "Parallel" teachings of same events (Fact)

Example: Revelation 11:15-18 below, you see the 7th Trump (The End) and in verse 18 you see the (Final Judgement) exactly the same judgement as seen in Revelation 20:11-15

Revelation 11:15-18KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 20:11-15KJV
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

FreeGrace2 · May 8, 2021

Truth7t7 said:

says Mr made up fantasy man.

Not a fact. Rather, a huge fantasy. Sure, some of it is, but Rev 19 doesn't occur in parallel with Rev 20. Or With Rev 1-3.

I don't see "(The End") anywhere in 11:15-18. Just another man made-up fantasy. At which you're good at.

Your claims are absurd. In fact, the trumpet judgments are the second of three judgments. You can claim all the judgments are in parallel, but so what? I can claim they are in series. So go prove your theory. I don't care.

If they are, fine. If they aren't, fine as well.

What isn't fine is your abuse of what is so clearly literal in Rev 20 and you simply deny.

I've been asking for an explanation of the phrases about the 1,000 years ENDING and you can't.

Rev 20:11-15 is about the GWT judgment, that OCCURS AFTER the Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ. Very clear to reasonable people.

Truth7t7 · May 8, 2021

FreeGrace2 said:

Same Battle, Same Lake Of Fire, Same Final Judgment, Same Event Seen Below In "Parallel" Teachings

Revelation 19:19KJV
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 20:8-10KJV
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Truth7t7 · May 8, 2021

FreeGrace2 said:

You defy being taught, you have a Pre-Determined bias, and the truth of scripture has no meaning

Namely your false belief and teaching in a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Runningman · May 8, 2021

FreeGrace2 said:

I don't disagree that in the book of Revelation the GWT comes after the 1,000 year reign of Christ, but in the 7th trumpet it says God's wrath comes, the dead are judged, and the saints are rewarded.

If the 7th (and last) trumpet is the return Christ then it would seem conclusive that the 1,000 year reign of Christ is spiritual. When Christ literally returns it's the resurrection, the rapture, judgement, the end of the world.

1 Corinthians 15:50-52
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

7th trumpet
Revelation 11:18
18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Bonus question:
Is Jesus referring to the "kingdom of God" that can't be seen, but exists within, as the millennial kingdom?

Luke 17:20-21
20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Absolutely · May 8, 2021

Runningman said:

Scripture proves that the 6th seal and 7th vial describe the same event Jesus said would occur "immediately after the tribulation" in Matthew 24:29.

The first resurrection and rapture occurs when Jesus returns at the last, 7th trumpet:

1 Corinthians 15:52
“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:23
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

7th trumpet
Revelation 11:15-19
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

In summary, scripture just proved to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 6th seal and 7th vial happen immediately after the great tribulation and they are the same thing.

The 7th trumpet is the return of Christ when the church is gathered. There's literally no way to make the rapture pre-tribulation.

Except that you can not make a case.
You have no case.
You LEAVE OUT our verses!!!!!
You do it blatantly and ignorantly.

A literal INVINCIBLE ignorance.

Hello....the 144k and main harvest JEWS are gathered DURING THE GT.
That alone has your theory debunked THOROUGHLY.

BUT the AC kills all without the mark.

From that point....now read the rapture verses.

Smh..but you do not even know them or our doctrine.

You do not know our doctrine

You have NO IDEA what you are "debating".
No idea

Runningman · May 8, 2021

Absolutely said:

Good morning Mr. Absolutely, I hope you will have a blessed day.

Please explain Revelation 14:1-5, citing as many scriptures as necessary, to show me what it means.

Truth7t7 · May 8, 2021

Runningman said:

As previously stated, dispensationalism falsely teaches the book of Revelation is in chronological order, this is how they falsely create multiple battles, resurrections, and events

Yes Matthew 24:29 & Revelation 16:12-17 are the same event, that proceeds the second coming, the hour of earth's temptation.

Matthew 24:29KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Revelation 6:12-17KJV
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

cv5 · May 8, 2021

Runningman said:

Exactly. The announcement of the 6th seal of God's wrath is not the precise moment that Gods wrath starts. The opening of the 6th seal corresponds to the blowing if the 7th trumpet which corresponds to the action of the 7th vial showing the completion of Gods wrath.

By the time we get to Revelation chapter 16 where the vials of wrath are poured out the great tribulation has already finished. The wrath is for the wicked.

What I meant by it's not written in chronological sequence is exactly what you pointed out. The seals correspond to the trumpets which in turn correspond to the vials. So in order to see that seals are signaling the trumpets and the trumpets are signaling the vials theres literally some flipping back and forth of pages.

Does that make sense?

Also notice what happens at the 6th seal, the stars fall from heaven, the sun goes black, the moon dims to red. Sounds like what Jesus said would happen "immediately after the tribulation" in Matthew 24:29. 6th seal also mentions the fig tree just like Matthew 24.

The hepatitic structure of the book of Revelation is beyond dispute. Maybe you can do a study on that first and hopefully move forward.

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