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Truth7t7

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I will explain this:
Daniel ch 9......the 70th week.....pertains only to Israel. A fact which the book of Revelation makes clear. There are only Jews and gentiles on the earth beyond ch 5. Nobody can deny this.

Furthermore the commission to preach is now bestowed upon Israelites. Again no one can deny this. That's what the text says and that's what the text supports.

The Church is in heaven chapters 4 and 5. They are the kings and priests that John describes (of himself....and all Christians) in chapter 1.
The Church will be present on earth during the great tribulation, and witness the second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, just as Luke clearly explains below.

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
 

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God's In Charge, Not The Antichrist :)

A Complete Remake Of Moses/Aaron Against Pharaoh Of Egypt, Isaiah 26:20-21 Below, Gods Protection Of The Church, During The Final Hour Of Earths Temptation, Enter The Dwelling And Shut The Door, Just Like The Passover In Egypt "Read And Heed"!

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

The (Two Witnesses) Rule During The Tribulation, Representing Jesus Christ On Earth, Judgement In Plagues, The Warm Up!

Does That Look Like The Antichrist Is In Control Below?

Revelation 14:9-12KJV
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Does That Look Like The Antichrist Is In Control Below, A Remake Of Moses/Aaron Against Pharaoh Of Egypt!

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

Does That Look Like The Antichrist Is In Control Below, Torment Five Months, Unable To Die, Death Flees?

Revelation 9:1-6KJV
1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
If all you are going to do is "play your tape" and not actually have a two-way "in-detail" kind of discussion - it will not be very productive at all...

"Just sayin'..."
 

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If all you are going to do is "play your tape" and not actually have a two-way "in-detail" kind of discussion - it will not be very productive at all...

"Just sayin'..."
Play my tape?

I believe its Gods tape, called his holy words of truth, ain't gonna change

Gods in complete control of the tribulation, he rules through the (Two Witnesses) through plagues and wrath, in righteous judgement

Men tormented five months, desiring to due, and death flees?

Water to blood, darkness and gnawing tongues in pain, sores on the antichrist seat and kingdom, scorching heat?

A complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, plus sum

(All Plagues As Often As They Will)

Ant they are representing Jesus Christ, God Almighty! (y)

Just Sayin :giggle:
 

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When I wrote 'AoD' - it meant 'Abomination of Desolation'.
The scripture below covers the (Abomination Of Desolation) and Gods words speak very clear, the Antichrist Of Daniel seen below, will be present on earth until the (Consummation) "The End", (Future Events) Unfulfilled!

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation


the ultimate end : FINISH

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
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Revelation calls those judgments in the book the wrath of God repeatedly so therefore the most logical conclusion is that He delivers us from those also. The Day of the Lord that mentions the judgments upon people even in this life that will be visited upon the earth at a future end time scenario called the wrath of God would be included. Not ONLY the Lake of Fire. The wrath to come would most likely be talking about all of the many scriptures that prophesy an outpouring of the wrath of God revealed from heaven upon men for their wickedness even before the Lake of Fire final disposition.
Can it be said that Israel was delivered from God's wrath while yet on Earth during the 7 Last Plagues in Egypt when He sent the destroying angel to kill all the firstborn?
 

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Can it be said that Israel was delivered from God's wrath while yet on Earth during the 7 Last Plagues in Egypt when He sent the destroying angel to kill all the firstborn?
They were not the targets of his wrath. He was angry with the Egyptians and all the plagues were against them.
 
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They were not the targets of his wrath. He was angry with the Egyptians and all the plagues were against them.
Obviously the Hebrews suffered the plagues of flies, frogs, blood in the water, etc. After all, Moses ordered that Lamb's Blood be sprinkled on every door because Hebrew/Egyptian [both] would lose the firstborn. Seeing that the Hebrew suffered in the Plagues is more insight that Believers will go through the Tribulation and suffer there.
 

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Obviously the Hebrews suffered the plagues of flies, frogs, blood in the water, etc.
I don't believe they suffered at all. The context really is just the Egyptians sufffering:

Exo 8:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, Go unto Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Let my people go, that they may serve me.
Exo 8:2 And if thou refuse to let them go, behold, I will smite all thy borders with frogs:
Exo 8:3 And the river shall bring forth frogs abundantly, which shall go up and come into thine house, and into thy bedchamber, and upon thy bed, and into the house of thy servants, and upon thy people, and into thine ovens, and into thy kneadingtroughs:
Exo 8:4 And the frogs shall come up both on thee, and upon thy people, and upon all thy servants.
Exo 8:5 And the LORD spake unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Stretch forth thine hand with thy rod over the streams, over the rivers, and over the ponds, and cause frogs to come up upon the land of Egypt.
Exo 8:6 And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt.
Exo 8:7 And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.
Exo 8:8 Then Pharaoh called for Moses and Aaron, and said, Intreat the LORD, that he may take away the frogs from me, and from my people; and I will let the people go, that they may do sacrifice unto the LORD.
Exo 8:9 And Moses said unto Pharaoh, Glory over me: when shall I intreat for thee, and for thy servants, and for thy people, to destroy the frogs from thee and thy houses, that they may remain in the river only?
Exo 8:10 And he said, To morrow. And he said, Be it according to thy word: that thou mayest know that there is none like unto the LORD our God.
Exo 8:11 And the frogs shall depart from thee, and from thy houses, and from thy servants, and from thy people; they shall remain in the river only.
 

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Exo 10:22 And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:
Exo 10:23 They saw not one another, neither rose any from his place for three days: but all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings.

Even darkness didn't affect Israel.
 
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I don't believe they suffered at all. The context really is just the Egyptians sufffering:

Exo 8:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, Go unto Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Let my people go, that they may serve me.
Exo 8:2 And if thou refuse to let them go, behold, I will smite all thy borders with frogs:
Exo 8:3 And the river shall bring forth frogs abundantly, which shall go up and come into thine house, and into thy bedchamber, and upon thy bed, and into the house of thy servants, and upon thy people, and into thine ovens, and into thy kneadingtroughs:
Exo 8:4 And the frogs shall come up both on thee, and upon thy people, and upon all thy servants.
Exo 8:5 And the LORD spake unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Stretch forth thine hand with thy rod over the streams, over the rivers, and over the ponds, and cause frogs to come up upon the land of Egypt.
Exo 8:6 And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt.
Exo 8:7 And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.
Exo 8:8 Then Pharaoh called for Moses and Aaron, and said, Intreat the LORD, that he may take away the frogs from me, and from my people; and I will let the people go, that they may do sacrifice unto the LORD.
Exo 8:9 And Moses said unto Pharaoh, Glory over me: when shall I intreat for thee, and for thy servants, and for thy people, to destroy the frogs from thee and thy houses, that they may remain in the river only?
Exo 8:10 And he said, To morrow. And he said, Be it according to thy word: that thou mayest know that there is none like unto the LORD our God.
Exo 8:11 And the frogs shall depart from thee, and from thy houses, and from thy servants, and from thy people; they shall remain in the river only.


If there was, Do you think any Hebrew home whose doorway was not covered in the Passover Lamb's Blood firstborn was alive the next morning?
 
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Exo 10:22 And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:
Exo 10:23 They saw not one another, neither rose any from his place for three days: but all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings.

Even darkness didn't affect Israel.
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If there was, Do you think any Hebrew home whose doorway was not covered in the Passover Lamb's Blood firstborn was alive the next morning?
If they didn't have the blood then they deserved the eldest child to die.

Only the enemy were harmed by the plagues, even the last one. I don't think any of Israel failed to have the blood so they didn't lose anyone.
 
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Look at it this way.

For every Plague God Commanded, Pharaoh attacked the Hebrew people with harder work and conditions. So the Hebrew people were suffering. Even the night the Death Angel [Passed Over] was still a treacherous night for those without the Lamb's Blood.
 
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If they didn't have the blood then they deserved the eldest child to die.

Only the enemy were harmed by the plagues, even the last one. I don't think any of Israel failed to have the blood so they didn't lose anyone.
I am just pointing out the Death Angel did not care who was Hebrew and Egyptian.
 
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They were not the targets of his wrath. He was angry with the Egyptians and all the plagues were against them.
I like that! God was able to SHIELD His people from His wrath who were in the midst of those to whom God sent His wrath ...just like He did for Noah who was in the midst of God's wrath but preserved through it.

Other examples of God's power to protect His people in the midst of terrible circumstances:

Daniel in the lion's den
Hebrew boys in the fiery furnace
Paul and his snakebite
Jonah in the great fish
 
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I like that! God was able to SHIELD His people from His wrath who were in the midst of those to whom God sent His wrath ...just like He did for Noah who was in the midst of God's wrath but preserved through it.

Other examples of God's power to protect His people in the midst of terrible circumstances:

Daniel in the lion's den
Hebrew boys in the fiery furnace
Paul and his snakebite
Jonah in the great fish
And He will do it again through the Tribulation!