Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.
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(actually, it ends earlier than that)
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Immediately when the Great Tribulation ends will Christ return and Christ returns at the 7th trump.
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Brother, Christ does not return until after the 7th bowl judgment. The following is what the Lord interjects after the 6th bowl has been poured out:
“Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who remains awake and clothed, so that he will not go naked and let his shame be exposed.”
If He is saying that He 'comes like a thief after the 6th bowl has been poured out, it would infer that the Lord has not yet returned by the sounding of the 7th trumpet.
Mat.24:29-30 are referring to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, not the gathering of the church. It's referring to those believers on the earth who will have made it alive through the entire tribulation period.
“Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who remains awake and clothed, so that he will not go naked and let his shame be exposed.”
If He is saying that He 'comes like a thief after the 6th bowl has been poured out, it would infer that the Lord has not yet returned by the sounding of the 7th trumpet.
Mat.24:29-30 are referring to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, not the gathering of the church. It's referring to those believers on the earth who will have made it alive through the entire tribulation period.
Keep studying. You should eventually discover that there is a 3.5-year time span embedded in verse 29 - which is the time of the Two Witnesses.
It is the start of the time of the Two Witnesses that aligns with the end of the GT - not the return of Christ.
Please see:
http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Order_Of_Events.html
It is the start of the time of the Two Witnesses that aligns with the end of the GT - not the return of Christ.
Please see:
http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Order_Of_Events.html
The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will take place in the chronological order that they are listed in Revelation. It is not until after the 7th bowl that Jesus returns to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom.
The 7th trumpet is not synonymous with the 'last trumpet' that Paul spoke about. That is another false teaching that crept into the church by pigeonholing the word 'trumpet.'
The last trumpet is a blessing where the church is gathered, where the 7th trumpet is one of the plagues of God's wrath. In addition, there is nothing in the context of the 7th trumpet that would support the gathering of the church.
The 7th trumpet is not synonymous with the 'last trumpet' that Paul spoke about. That is another false teaching that crept into the church by pigeonholing the word 'trumpet.'
The last trumpet is a blessing where the church is gathered, where the 7th trumpet is one of the plagues of God's wrath. In addition, there is nothing in the context of the 7th trumpet that would support the gathering of the church.
S
LOL Yes. or... "I am going to wait and see how it all pans out"
I am certainly not going to tell someone they are teaching false doctrine because of the way they interpret eschatological verses that are written to give us a hope and not intended to spell out the exact details of everything.
When John was told not to write down what he heard the 7 thunders that uttered their voices say, it should be enough to tell us that not EVERYTHING has been revealed concerning even this time of Great Tribulation.
There are OTHER events that encompass the 7 thunders that are hidden from us. Where are those in a Chart of the events of Revelation?
One might say they are not going to happen because John was told not to write them down. However a more likely explanation is that we are not to know about it in advance. It is quite possible that the 7 thunders are as stupendous events as the 7 Seals, 7, Bowls, 7 Trumpets, etc. and that what John heard and was about to write, is still going to happen but we are not to be told in advance.
It is quite possible and probable that these events might mess up the best Revelation Charts.
Let us never get to cocky thinking that we have the Key to every mystery concerning eschatology. It is ok to seek understanding, that is definitely what we should spend our lives doing, but we should never say that someone who sees the timing of the rapture differently based on their own study of scripture is teaching false doctrine. That sort of thing should alert one that they have not mastered the most important lessons of Jesus Christ and they are in danger of being found full of shame at His appearing rather than blameless, and without shame which is the goal.
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
I am certainly not going to tell someone they are teaching false doctrine because of the way they interpret eschatological verses that are written to give us a hope and not intended to spell out the exact details of everything.
When John was told not to write down what he heard the 7 thunders that uttered their voices say, it should be enough to tell us that not EVERYTHING has been revealed concerning even this time of Great Tribulation.
There are OTHER events that encompass the 7 thunders that are hidden from us. Where are those in a Chart of the events of Revelation?
One might say they are not going to happen because John was told not to write them down. However a more likely explanation is that we are not to know about it in advance. It is quite possible that the 7 thunders are as stupendous events as the 7 Seals, 7, Bowls, 7 Trumpets, etc. and that what John heard and was about to write, is still going to happen but we are not to be told in advance.
It is quite possible and probable that these events might mess up the best Revelation Charts.
Let us never get to cocky thinking that we have the Key to every mystery concerning eschatology. It is ok to seek understanding, that is definitely what we should spend our lives doing, but we should never say that someone who sees the timing of the rapture differently based on their own study of scripture is teaching false doctrine. That sort of thing should alert one that they have not mastered the most important lessons of Jesus Christ and they are in danger of being found full of shame at His appearing rather than blameless, and without shame which is the goal.
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
S
I am not a Greek expert. Therefore I have to rely on those who are. The qualifications of those presenting the departure = rapture theory and those who present the rebellion interpretation leads me to conclude that the departure theory advocates are not of the same caliber of Greek scholars and that the majority of Greek Scholars on committees behind the English translations all agree that rebellion is the meaning of the Greek word.
After three years of Greek I will have an educated reason for why I believe the Greek word means whatever, until then I rely on the experts. Isn't it rather suspect if none of them agree with a particular author?
After three years of Greek I will have an educated reason for why I believe the Greek word means whatever, until then I rely on the experts. Isn't it rather suspect if none of them agree with a particular author?
The actual word is not in question.
It simply means "from standing". Or "departure".
It could be implied "from the faith"
Thus you have two choices.....and you can actually go either way. It does not change much of anything.
Context and the weight of scripture does, however.
More verses are better,as in the pretrib rapture doctrine.
It simply means "from standing". Or "departure".
It could be implied "from the faith"
Thus you have two choices.....and you can actually go either way. It does not change much of anything.
Context and the weight of scripture does, however.
More verses are better,as in the pretrib rapture doctrine.
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