Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

FreeGrace2 · Feb 9, 2021

I believe that the context determines whether "firstfruits" is related to the resurrection or not.

The Bible mentions "harvest" in different contexts, usually metaphors/figures of speech. Like when at the well, and Jesus looked up and saw a multitude of Samaritans coming out from the town to see Him.

John 4
34 “My food,” said Jesus, “is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.
35Don’t you have a saying, ‘It’s still four months until harvest’? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest.

So, here, jesus used "harvest" in the sense of evangelization.

It does happen. See you later.

cv5 · Feb 9, 2021

cv5 said:

<<The first Christians as part of Christ Yeshua's Christian Church, were of what nationality, yes they were Jews from Judea>>

Absolutely incorrect. ALL of the first 12 Apostles were from Galilee. Their tribes are not named....but they were likely a mixture and certainly not all of Judah.....except for Judas. Who WAS from the area of the south. And WAS likely of the tribe of Judah.

Paul was a Benjaminite. You are wrong there as well.

Act ch 2 makes it impossible to assume that all 3000 were of the tribe of Judah.

I am not going to post the relevant Scriptures. There a dozens and dozens. Do you own research.

Correction: 11 of the 12 were from Galilee.

cv5 · Feb 9, 2021

BenjaminN said:

1 Thessalonians 4 (New King James Version)

The Comfort of Christ’s Coming
13But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.

15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

I thought that you disagree with the doctrine of the Rapture of the Church?

BenjaminN · Feb 9, 2021

cv5 said:

I agree 100% with what you said above. Please indicate where I have said anything to the contrary.

Both Jewish Christian ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Christian ) believers, and Gentile Christian believers, are and have been, both part of the Christian Church as the Body of Christ Yeshua's believers.

cv5 said:

Please refer to what cart I presumably put before what horse brother?

cv5 said:

Romans 11 (New King James Version)

5Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. ...
7What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”

25For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be [g]saved

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism : "As of September 2007, churches in the USA that have criticized Christian Zionism include the United Methodist Church, the Presbyterian Church (USA),[90] and the United Church of Christ.[91] " - But hey, the Judaic false messiah has to have a temple in Jerusalem, Israel, to enter into to proclaim himself the only god to be worhipped, so this third temple has to be built, for the real Christ Yeshua to return three-and-a-half years or 42 months of 1260 days later.... So should we as Christians main goal be to help this Judaic false messiah to attain this goal of having to enter a temple in Jerusalem, Israel, to proclaim himself the only god to be worshiped, or should we as Christians goal rather be to bring the Gospel of Christ Yeshua, to all the nations of the world, including the Jews? As Christ Yeshua had commanded His followers, to bring His Gospel to all the nations of the world, before He ascended to Heaven, when He promised to return, when this command of ours to proclaim His Gospel to the whole world, would have been accomplished.

2 Thessalonians 2 (New King James Version)

The Great Apostasy
1Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Is Christian zionism not putting the cart in front of the horses, trying to restore a false kingdom to Israel themselves, under a false messiah, without Christ Yeshua in the picture, and with the eight and two half tribes of Ephraimites as Israelites excluded from this zionist Israel for Judahite Israelite Jews only, in the absence of Christ Yeshua as only King over Israel?

Acts 1 (New King James Version)

6Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be [c]witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Matthew 24 (New King James Version)

14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Ezekiel 37 (New King James Version)

One Kingdom, One King
16“As for you, son of man, take a stick for yourself and write on it: ‘For Judah and for the children of Israel, his companions.’ Then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel, his companions.’ 17Then join them one to another for yourself into one stick, and they will become one in your hand.

21“Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land;

24“David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. 25Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever.

Revelation 20 (New King James Version)

The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years
4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

If you and the resurrected dead, as believers, do not meet Him in your glorified bodies, at your rapture in the clouds, next time you see a Judaic messiah, it ain't the real Messiah, Christ Yeshua!! Because the next time we believers see Christ Yeshua here in the vicinity of earth, it will be together with the resurrected dead, in our glorified bodies, ascending to the clouds, at our rapture, at Christ Yeshua's return with Him descending to the clouds, after the believers' great tribulation, under the rule of the false messiah from the temple in Jerusalem, Israel, where he will declare himself the only god to be worshipped:

BenjaminN · Feb 9, 2021

Musicmaster said:

What are you going to do in your glorified body, under Christ Yeshua's Millennial Kingship with His saints, here on this earth?

There will even be a war fought again at the conclusion of Christ Yeshua's Millennial Kingdom here on earth, ie. the battle of Gog and Magog... Before God's final Great White Throne Judgement where after God's elect inherits the new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem for eternity, and the damned is cast in the lake of fire for eternity:

Revelation 20 (New King James Version)

The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years
4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Satanic Rebellion Crushed
7Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

The Great White Throne Judgment
11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [c]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second [d]death. 15And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

BenjaminN · Feb 9, 2021

TheDivineWatermark said:

No I do not disagree with that either, it is scripture, indicating a dispensation to come, at the return of Christ Yeshua to this earth, in the fullness of the times, when Christ Yeshua's Gospel had been proclaimed to the whole world, then the end (of this dispensation of the new covenant of grace of salvation by the blood sacrifice of Chirst Yeshua) will come.

Matthew 24 (New King James Version)

14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Ephesians 1 (New King James Version)

7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, [c]both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him.

Hebrews 8 (New King James Version)

A New Covenant
7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

BenjaminN · Feb 9, 2021

cv5 said:

What are your views about sacrifices during the time of Christ Yeshua's future Millennial Kingdom? Will these described sacrifices be memorial rituals, depicting the blood Christ Yeshua shed, for believers at the cross as the final sacrifice once and for all, in time long gone past?

BenjaminN · Feb 9, 2021

cv5 said:

Where do you think are Ephraim's tribes (the eight and two half tribes of Jacob/Israel of the non-Judaic northern kingdom of Israel, under the former capitol of Samaria) that went into Assyrian captivity in 740BC up and util 722BC today? They are NOT among the Jews (which are Jacob/Israel's three southern Judaic Judahite tribes, under the former capitol of Jerusalem)...

They will resurface before Christ Yeshua's return however, with the notable exclusion of the northern Ephraimite tribe of Dan...

Revelation 7 (New King James Version)

The Sealed of Israel
1After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. 2Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:

5of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were [a]sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
6of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
7of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
8of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.

BenjaminN · Feb 9, 2021

cv5 said:

As an Afrikaner of mixed race descent, I would normally not have considered that I might also be of indigenous Khoi-San descent neither. This was until I were able to confirm this, when I looked back into my ancestors' birth certificates, at the archives, only a mere 340 years or 14 generations ago. No individual alive today, after 1730 years of forgotten identity, would be able to tell whether they have ancestors or not, from the former northern kingdom of Israel's Ephraimite tribes, that went into Assyrian captivity in 740BC to 722BC. There are no archives nor birth certificates nor any gene test to verify this either, as we do not know the genetic makeup of Jacob/Israel for sure either, as many Jews are from Ashkenazi descent, which are people not of Jacob/Israel's natural descent, who have adopted Judaism. God only knows and will reveal this at the return of Christ Yeshua, when He will establish His Millennial Kingdom here on earth, when it will be determined which believers were Israelite, and which believers were non-Israelite, as part of God's covenant with Abraham, from which all the nations of the earth would have been blessed.

Deuteronomy 28 (New King James Version)

64“Then the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other, and there you shall serve other gods, which neither you nor your fathers have known—wood and stone. 65And among those nations you shall find no rest, nor shall the sole of your foot have a resting place; but there the Lord will give you a [v]trembling heart, failing eyes, and anguish of soul. 66Your life shall hang in doubt before you; you shall fear day and night, and have no assurance of life. 67In the morning you shall say, ‘Oh, that it were evening!’ And at evening you shall say, ‘Oh, that it were morning!’ because of the fear which terrifies your heart, and because of the sight which your eyes see.

68“And the Lord will take you back to Egypt in ships, by the way of which I said to you, ‘You shall never see it again.’ And there you shall be offered for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.”

Where do you think are Ephraim's tribes (the eight and two half tribes of Jacob/Israel of the non-Judaic northern kingdom of Israel, under the former capitol of Samaria) that went into Assyrian captivity in 740BC up and util 722BC today? They are NOT among the Jews (which are Jacob/Israel's three southern Judaic Judahite tribes, under the former capitol of Jerusalem)...

They will resurface before Christ Yeshua's return however, with the notable exclusion of the northern Ephraimite tribe of Dan...

Revelation 7 (New King James Version)

The Sealed of Israel
1After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. 2Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:

5of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were [a]sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
6of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
7of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
8of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.

BenjaminN · Feb 9, 2021

cv5 said:

The tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi are collectively known as Jews, from Judea (sourthern kigdom of Judah) under Judah's rule, with their first king separate from the northern kingdom of Israel, being Rehoboam son of Solomon from the tribe of Judah.

The remainder of the eight and two half tribes are collectively known as Ephraimites, from Samaria (northern kingdom of Israel) under Ephraim's rule, with their first king separate from the southern kingdom of Judea, being Jeroboam, son of Nebat, from the tribe of Ephraim/Joseph.

BenjaminN · Feb 9, 2021

cv5 said:

British Israelism? What is the relevance of that video? Be very aware of the coming false messiah, empowered to have his temple in Jerusalem, Israel, from where he can declare himself the only god to be worshipped. I am no subscriber to the "unicorns" of the British monarchic's old King James Version Bible, attempting to give credence to the Rothschild's ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family ) and British Royalty's ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_coat_of_arms_of_the_United_Kingdom ) Christian zionism, coat of arms, that would have presumably symbolize the reunification of the Lion of Judah, with the "unicorn" of Ephraim.... please...

Christ Yeshua will reunify Judah's tribes with Ephraim's tribes, at His return in His Millennial KIngdom, as prophesied in Ezekiel 37.

All this above, instead of Christ Yeshua, the real Messiah, coming in the clouds, to establish HIs Millennial Kingdom reign here on earth, where only then He will reunite the tribes of Ephraim and the tribes of Judah, in a restored Kingdom of Israel, from where Christ Yeshua will reign over all the earth from Jerusalem in the restored Kingdom of Israel:

Ezekiel 37 (New King James Version)

One Kingdom, One King
15Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 16“As for you, son of man, take a stick for yourself and write on it: ‘For Judah and for the children of Israel, his companions.’ Then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel, his companions.’ 17Then join them one to another for yourself into one stick, and they will become one in your hand.

24“David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. 25Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever. 26Moreover I will [c]make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore. 27My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28The nations also will know that I, the Lord, sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore.” ’ ”

BenjaminN · Feb 9, 2021

"unicorns".... (old KJV)

Daniel 8 (New King James Version)

9And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land. 10And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them. 11He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of [f]His sanctuary was cast down. 12Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.

2 Thessalonians 2 (New King James Version)

The Great Apostasy
1Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

We believers meet the real Messiah, Christ Yeshua in the clouds, together with the resurrected dead, in our glorified bodies, at our rapture, following the believers' great tribulation here on earth, under the rule of the false messiah...

BenjaminN · Feb 9, 2021

cv5 said:

Yes Jews from the Judean Galilee.

BenjaminN · Feb 9, 2021

BenjaminN said:

cv5 said:

How would you presume that? Of course God's word tells us that the whole of the Christian Church (Jews and Gentile believers, alive and resurrected) gets raptured and ascends to the clouds in their glorified bodies, with Christ Yeshua's glorified body descending from Heaven to the clouds of the earth. This all happens after the believers' great tribulation under the rule of the false messiah.

Matthew 24 (New King James Version)

The Coming of the Son of Man
29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

2 Thessalonians 2 (New King James Version)

The Great Apostasy
1Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

1 Thessalonians 4 (New King James Version)

The Comfort of Christ’s Coming
13But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.

15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Nehemiah6 · Feb 9, 2021

BenjaminN said:

You have conflated the Resurrection/Rapture with the Second Coming of Christ. But there are no Scriptures to support this bizarre idea. The Resurrection/Rapture occurs at least seven years before the Second Coming, and the Marriage of the Lamb intervenes. According to your idea, there would be no Marriage of the Lamb.

BenjaminN · Feb 9, 2021

Nehemiah6 said:

Contrary to the scripture given to support only one and final second coming of Christ Yeshua, how would you rather like it to play out?

Why do you exclude the tribulation saints from the Bride of the Lamb? Of course there is a Marriage of the Lamb, at the return of Christ Yeshua, immediately after the believers' great tribulation, under the rulership of the false messiah.

1 Thessalonians 4 (New King James Version)

16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

Revelation 20 (New King James Version)

The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years
4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

2 Thessalonians 2 (New King James Version)

The Great Apostasy
1Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, ... 3Let no one deceive you ... that Day will not come unless ... the man of sin is revealed ... showing himself that he is God.

First false messiah -> (then) -> the return of the true Messiah, Christ Yeshua, and our gathering together to Him in the clouds at our rapture.

Matthew 24 (New King James Version)

The Coming of the Son of Man
29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Nehemiah6 · Feb 9, 2021

BenjaminN said:

Kindly read and study Revelation 19 and 20 to clear up your confusion.

BenjaminN · Feb 9, 2021

BenjaminN said:

Nehemiah6 said:

There is one return of Christ Yeshua to His gathered, live and resurrected bodily transformed Bride at His next and final second coming descending in the clouds, to meet His Bride at her rapture where she ascends into the clouds. Immediately thereafter their Marriage Supper is conducted in the Father's house in Heaven, and Christ Yeshua descends after the Marriage Supper (not seven years later) to the remainder of earth, with His Heavenly armies, to conquer earth, as His and His Bride's dominion for the next thousand years, where they will rule over all the earth.

Revelation 19 (New King James Version)
Heaven Exults over Babylon
vs 1 - 10 (Destruction of Mystery Babylon at the end of the great tribulation, the Rapture of Christ Yeshua's bodily glorified resurrected believers - inclusive of the tribulation saints who died for their testimony of God - as well as all the living glorified bodily transformed believers, for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb)
Christ on a White Horse
vs 11 - 16 (Immediately after the Rapture and Marriage Supper of the Lamb, not seven years later, Christ Yeshua returns with His armies to conquer all that have remained on earth)
The Beast and His Armies Defeated
vs 17 - 21 (Christ Yeshua's armies conquers earth, for the start of Christ Yeshua's Millennial Kingdom reign over the earth)

Revelation 20 (New King James Version)
Satan Bound 1,000 Years
vs 1 - 3 (An angel with the key to the bottomless pit, and a great chain, bounds the devil ie. satan for a thousand years)
The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years
vs 4 - 6 (The Raptured saints, including those who died during the great tribulation, after they enjoyed the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, and after Christ Yeshua's conquered of earth immediately after the Marriage Supper, His Bride reigns with Him in His dominion over all the earth for a thousand years)
Satanic Rebellion Crushed
vs 7 - 10 (After the thousand years, Satan gets released for the final battle on earth, of Gog and Magog. Satan gets cast into the lake of fire after his final defeat in the battle of Gog and Magog)
The Great White Throne Judgment
vs 11 - 15 (All the dead were judged, and the damned are cast into the eternal lake of fire)

Revelation 21 (New King James Version)
All Things Made New
vs 1 - 6 (A new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem is inherited by God's children, to dwell with Him until eternity)
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cv5 · Feb 9, 2021

BenjaminN said:

Correct I think they will be memorial rituals.

cv5 · Feb 9, 2021

BenjaminN said:

British Israelism? What is the relevance of that video? Be very aware of the coming false messiah, empowered to have his temple in Jerusalem, Israel, from where he can declare himself the only god to be worshipped. I am no subscriber to the "unicorns" of the British monarchic's old King James Version Bible, attempting to give credence to the Rothschild's ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family ) and British Royalty's ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_coat_of_arms_of_the_United_Kingdom ) Christian zionism, coat of arms, that would have presumably symbolize the reunification of the Lion of Judah, with the "unicorn" of Ephraim.... please...

Christ Yeshua will reunify Judah's tribes with Ephraim's tribes, at His return in His Millennial KIngdom, as prophesied in Ezekiel 37.

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All this above, instead of Christ Yeshua, the real Messiah, coming in the clouds, to establish HIs Millennial Kingdom reign here on earth, where only then He will reunite the tribes of Ephraim and the tribes of Judah, in a restored Kingdom of Israel, from where Christ Yeshua will reign over all the earth from Jerusalem in the restored Kingdom of Israel:

Ezekiel 37 (New King James Version)

One Kingdom, One King
15Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 16“As for you, son of man, take a stick for yourself and write on it: ‘For Judah and for the children of Israel, his companions.’ Then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel, his companions.’ 17Then join them one to another for yourself into one stick, and they will become one in your hand.

24“David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. 25Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever. 26Moreover I will [c]make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore. 27My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28The nations also will know that I, the Lord, sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore.” ’ ”

You are wasting your time pursuing this British Isrealism/lost 10 tribes business. Completely bogus. Completely unscriptural.

Paul was a Benjaminite. Anna was of the tribe of Asher.....Luke 2:36.

Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

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