Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

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Pardon me but what is "SC" ? I know "GT" stands for great tribulation. People view the tribulation so differently that it is hard to come to an agreement. I have seen some preach the great tribulation has been going on for 2000 years now.... this stuff writes itself lol.
Second coming
 
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Wrong again.

Revelation 6:12-17 describes the 6th Seal with the sun, moon, and stars going dark. In Matthew 24:29 Jesus says the sun, moon, and stars go dark after the tribulation of those days.

The Great Tribulation is not the wrath of God then. The wrath of God occurs after the Great Tribulation. I just proved it to you.

The Great Tribulation is the wrath of Satan.

Revelation 12:12
12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Now notice what happens next in this chapter and Revelation 13:

The Devil comes to Earth to persecute the woman and "her seed" and make war with the saints (saints are people like you and me - The Church or Body of Christ), to support the anti-Christ, Mark of the Beast, and the great tribulation. Why? Because he's angry and wants to cause a lot of pain for God's people before the end.

The Great Tribulation is conclusively the wrath of the devil and not God as you falsely claim.
Read the ot.

There is direct and indirect judgements.

God uses nations/people to judge Israel.

He also does it directly.

Take the flying scorpions for example.

Where or who do we attribute blame?

They are basically from God positionally , but come from hell.
 
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All the elements of the betrothal & wedding contract are revealed in prophecy on earth and they will be completed on earth just as the prophetic pattern indicates.
The last supper dialogue places it in heaven

Jesus said in heaven.
 
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You mustn't have done any studies outside pretrib.
The bride illustration is a feature in all views. Pretrib has no monopoly on that. I've studied it quite a lot.
There is no scriptural evidence for a wedding in heaven.
Show me a postrib teaching on the web that introduces the bride / groom dimension.

It goes against your position as do the rapture verses.

That is WHY you NEED it to be on earth and for Rev 19 To say what it does not.

It is opposite your beliefs.
 
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I am in agreement with that except I think the resurrection and rapture occur in the twinkling of an eye. When Christ returns the battle of Armageddon won't be a battle, more like God's enemies will be dealt with instantly.

Matthew 24 says the coming of the Son of Man will be like the days of Noah. The world was overrun with wickedness and the flood wiped them out. God only allows wickedness to reach a point before it's time to reset.

Same thing happened with the tower of Babel where people were too coordinated in their ability to speak the same language and make wickedness highly efficient. Same thing happened to Sodom and Gomorrah.

The great tribulation will be the state of the world when "the restrainer is out of the way" allowing wickedness to flourish. "No one will survive those days, not even the elect, unless those days were shortened." The thing that will shorten those days is the return of Christ who is God.

In my estimation it'll be swift.

I agree with everything you said except for possibly the exact timing.
"""I am in agreement with that except I think the resurrection and rapture occur in the twinkling of an eye."""
Not what it says.
Go back and re read it.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

It says we are CHANGED in a moment (twinkling of an eye)
 
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Gotcha so you deflected and didn't actually answer his question. There aren't verses that answer his question meaning you just created a doctrine of man. It's unbiblical. This needs to be your wake up call to start paying more attention to God's will and less attention to your will.
Do realize this my friend.

Your doctrine has the dead in Christ as well as the believers NEVER EVER SEEING HEAVEN.

So basically voiding Jesus words at the last supper and rev 19s words that the bride and wife are there.

And rev 14 ??????

How in the world do you TRANSPOSE that gathering into Horses???? Billions of horses????

See that's the problem with false doctrine.

Your inventors ( church fathers) saw end times through a clouded lense of a destroyed israel.

It was corrupted and the a mil doctrine emerged.
Postrib rapture is so poorly derived and thought out.

At this late hour there is no time for such impossible rabbit trails.

You have NO RED FLAGS at your ignoring verses?????
 
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Acts 1
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Pretrib rapture.
Jesus returns as depicted in mat 25.
The most vivid depiction of the pretrib rapture.

No horses on any rapture verses.

CONTEXT.

WITHOUT IT YOU ARE DOOMED TO ERROR.
 
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Postrib rapture has Jesus returning after the flood to fetch noah.

Also has lot rescued after sodom destroyed and accompanying wisdom " God can save Lot IN SODOM...He does not have to remove him"
 
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Postrib rapture has what excuse for billions in heaven early on in the GT,before the throne, with dirty robes, and somehow there are a main body of believers to rapture at the end of the gt????

No protection from the stinging scorpions ????

Wow
Bizarre
 
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Postrib doctrine has My 25 and rev 19 as the same event.

Impossible
 
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Postrib rapture doctrine has rev 14 and rev 19 as the same event

Impossible.
 
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Postrib rapture doctrine has acts one " like manner" and rev 19 as the same event.

Impossible.
 
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Postrib rapture doctrine has " after the trib" in mat 24 the same event as " before the flood" (also In mat 24)

Impossible.

But that is not all
They believe all that and try to defend it.

With no red flags!!!!
 

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Pardon me but what is "SC" ? I know "GT" stands for great tribulation. People view the tribulation so differently that it is hard to come to an agreement. I have seen some preach the great tribulation has been going on for 2000 years now.... this stuff writes itself lol.
SC = Second Coming....
The premillennial pre-tib rapture view is unquestionably correct. Matches all of the relevant scriptures seamlessly. Any other view is pure chaos or highly imaginative.

My former pastor was amillennialist. The poor guy couldn't preach end time eschatology in any sensible manner. He didn't get it. At all.
 

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Pardon me but what is "SC" ? I know "GT" stands for great tribulation. People view the tribulation so differently that it is hard to come to an agreement. I have seen some preach the great tribulation has been going on for 2000 years now.... this stuff writes itself lol.
Also in context of my post GT means the entire Tribulation period of seven years. I probably shouldn't be doing that because it's technically inaccurate. The GT is only 3.5 years.
 

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Postrib rapture has Jesus returning after the flood to fetch noah.

Also has lot rescued after sodom destroyed and accompanying wisdom " God can save Lot IN SODOM...He does not have to remove him"
Good point I had never thought of that..... :unsure:
 

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Matthew 24:37-39

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37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
 

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What is the hang up on the verse about Noah? It is a warning? Making it clear that just like in the days of Noah the end is going to come and people will not be prepared and won't believe until they are destroyed. They will be going on with their lives and not knowing or believing that the end is near and then it will be sudden destruction.

As for Noah, he didn't get raptured away to heaven and wasn't on some pleasure cruise. He simply built the Ark through faith and rode out the storm and destruction on the Ark. Simply put he was saved by his faith.
 
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What is the hang up on the verse about Noah? It is a warning? Making it clear that just like in the days of Noah the end is going to come and people will not be prepared and won't believe until they are destroyed. They will be going on with their lives and not knowing or believing that the end is near and then it will be sudden destruction.

As for Noah, he didn't get raptured away to heaven and wasn't on some pleasure cruise. He simply built the Ark through faith and rode out the storm and destruction on the Ark. Simply put he was saved by his faith.
Yes exactly.
It is multifaceted.
Many truths in one example.

The thing is it is framed " before the flood" then almost in the same breath "watch/ be ready"....and " one taken- left".
Then almost in the same breath the vivid Virgin rapture parable.

Noah all by itself is pre...mid...post...flood.

Jesus said " before the flood" and Is using both noah and lot as PREJUDGEMENT dynamics.

"....They were in life as usual...normal free world non wartime life and Jesus comes."

But beyond that Noah was taken over a mile into heaven via the trib/flood and CAME BACK To earth ,a long time later ,AFTER THE FLOOD.

And remember "ark" is a type of heaven.
And when Jesus returns with his saints he does establish his kingdom.

Vivid pretrib rapture.

Postribs Need both lot and Noah delivered AFTER the flood/ fire.

Postrib rapture is so poorly thought out.
 
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There is just nothing there anywhere pointing to a postrib rapture.

Several hands down impossibilities.

It does not fit or line up with God's purposes.
The time of the gentile ends and the gt is purpose. It has a purpose.
It is in the line of the gathering of the Jews.