Liars: It's In Their Blood

soccermom19 · Apr 9, 2015

We are all born into this world as sinners.
Honestly, I have lied before. But, at the age of 12, I accepted Jesus as my Saviour and was saved by the grace of God. I strive daily to live as God would have me to live. Many times I sin and fall short of the glory of God. I ask God for forgiveness and repent of my sins. God forgives me just as he promised he would.
The people who are habitual liars are not right with God. It is not my place or yours to say that they are not saved. Only God knows this.
Saying that anyone who has ever lied will burn in hell's fire is saying that no one will go to Heaven. If you believe that, you are on the wrong site. We are Christians here who believe in the power of Jesus's sacrifice for us on the cross. We allow non Christians on here in an attempt to help spread our Christianly love and values. However, we will not allow blasphemy. And we also don't appreciate rudeness.
My reccomendation is that you open your eyes and your heart to the truth and love of Jesus Christ.
I am praying for you.

Blain · Apr 9, 2015

soccermom19 said:

We are all born into this world as sinners.
Honestly, I have lied before. But, at the age of 12, I accepted Jesus as my Saviour and was saved by the grace of God. I strive daily to live as God would have me to live. Many times I sin and fall short of the glory of God. I ask God for forgiveness and repent of my sins. God forgives me just as he promised he would.
The people who are habitual liars are not right with God. It is not my place or yours to say that they are not saved. Only God knows this.
Saying that anyone who has ever lied will burn in hell's fire is saying that no one will go to Heaven. If you believe that, you are on the wrong site. We are Christians here who believe in the power of Jesus's sacrifice for us on the cross. We allow non Christians on here in an attempt to help spread our Christianly love and values. However, we will not allow blasphemy. And we also don't appreciate rudeness.
My reccomendation is that you open your eyes and your heart to the truth and love of Jesus Christ.
I am praying for you.

Okay like seriously THE best response I have seen on this thread

VioletReigns · Apr 9, 2015

Uh-oh. I found a hole in your theory. It is written, "Let God be true and every man a liar."

It is written, "There is none righteous, not one. There is none that understands, none who seek after God."

Also, it's written, "There is no flesh justified in God's sight."

Therefore, if you say you never lie, you call God a liar. In fact, you told a few lies in your post.

You wrote: "Because some people are natural-born liars." FALSE. ALL men are born liars. None are born righteous.

And you also wrote that liars can't reform and cease from lying. FALSE. Jesus said, "All things are possible with God."

Blain · Apr 9, 2015

I think he's done for now. Sometimes ppl post things and believe things without thinking or reading the scripture( I mean who among us arent guilty of that? lol) maybe he took all this heart and has become wiser from it

vic1980 · Apr 9, 2015

Ezekiel 18:26-28

"When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and dies because of it, for his iniquity which he has committed he will die."Again, when a wicked man turns away from his wickedness which he has committed and practices justice and righteousness, he will save his life."Because he considered and turned away from all his transgressions which he had committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die.

Shalom

Least · Apr 10, 2015

Delivery said:

The passage goes into much more than our fallibility, but it's an exhortation to believe God above all else. Only God is infallible. Paul goes on in the same chapter to speak about how some were slandering him and stating some of his teachings falsely, and he continues by correcting that slander speaking about both (Jew and Gentile) being under sin, "there are none righteous, no not one."

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

The passage is a carry through from the previous chapter. The passage itself begins by saying this:

Romans 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Romans 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

In verse 3, it says "for what if some did not believe?

There were always those, throughout the word who did not believe, yet their unbelief had no effect on the truth.

"shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?"

Paul finishes that statement with, "God forbid, yea, let God be true and every man a liar; as it is written, that thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."

Overcoming in judgment, by believing God and believing that what HE says is true above all else.

There are actually other accounts in the word where man is expected to believe God above all else.

1 Kings Chapter 13, is a great example of this, along with several other verses.

Psalms 20:7 Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God.

Psalms 21:7 For the king trusteth in the LORD, and through the mercy of the most High he shall not be moved.

Psalms 28:7 The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth; and with my song will I praise him.

Psalms 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

Psalms 40:4 Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.

Psalms 44:6 For I will not trust in my bow, neither shall my sword save me.

Psalms 49:6 They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches;
Psalms 49:7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

Psalms 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

Least · Apr 10, 2015

To the OP. You referenced some great verses.

Sin left unchecked will always run rampant and wax worse and worse. In Christ we can overcome. God's word says that He does not wish that any should perish but that all should come to the knowledge of the truth.

There are so many examples of this throughout the word. One that has always stood out to me is Sodom and Gomorrah.

It didn't start out being wicked, Lot chose that land because it was well watered.

Genesis 13:9 Is not the whole land before thee? separate thyself, I pray thee, from me: if thou wilt take the left hand, then I will go to the right; or if thou depart to the right hand, then I will go to the left.
Genesis 13:10 And Lot lifted up his eyes, and beheld all the plain of Jordan, that it was well watered every where, before the LORD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, even as the garden of the LORD, like the land of Egypt, as thou comest unto Zoar.

Compromising what is right, is like leaven..."a little leaven leavens the whole lump."

Sin left unchecked and unrepented waxes worse and worse until nothing is left but complete corruption and then desolation. Isaiah, Jeremiah are both great examples of this. But God was always reaching out to them, and sent many prophets to turn their hearts back to Him and to His word.

GandalfTheWhite · Apr 10, 2015

Speaking is daw-bar'
A primitive root; perhaps properly to arrange; but used figuratively (of words) to speak; rarely (in a destructive sense) to subdue: - answer, appoint, bid, command, commune, declare, destroy, give, name, promise, pronounce, rehearse, say, speak, be spokesman, subdue, talk, teach, tell, think, use [entreaties], utter, X well, X work.

Lies is kaw-zawb'
From H3576; falsehood; literally (untruth) or figuratively (idol): - deceitful, false, leasing, + liar, lie, lying.

So the wicked can also appoint idols or spread false words or teachings.

oldthennew · Apr 10, 2015

I know our Saviour was always happy when
He was able to use love instead of a fist.
it wasn't His habit to defend Himself or make an unkind-
calculated come-back to prove or justify Himself to anyone.
His scoldings were always done in love with a loving purpose.

His ways and patterns are to be ours, daily, moment to moment -
our bread, our air, our life -

can we overcome the ways of this world in our new walk?
you better believe we can! one day at a time, here a little,
there a little'.
one day perfection will come, one day there won't even be
an easy yoke or a light burden to bear,
but that will be when our Father gives us a white stone
with our new names written that no one else will know.'

mean while, our goals should be to please Him, serve Him,
at any cost, and not to get caught up in the ways of this world
which will always brings us into disfavor with our Creator.

WebersHome · Apr 10, 2015

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tourist said:

YES.

Dishonesty, deception, dissembling, half truths, leaving false impressions,
disinformation, putting up a front, double speak, two faced insincerity,
fraud, sophistry, and spinning, etc. are in my blood. I cannot live without them.

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Blain · Apr 10, 2015

WebersHome said:

Wrong my friend. I ask again do you believe anything is possible with God?

WebersHome · Apr 10, 2015

Blain said:

(chuckle) You gotta love a cliché. Like they say: A stitch in time saves nine.
Well; in some cases: a cliché in time saves one the trouble of thinking.

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Blain · Apr 10, 2015

WebersHome said:

You think scripture is cliche eh? Well you may not believe all things are possible with God But I do because I have seen first hand exactly what is possible with him that is otherwise impossible for us. I have no doubt that if it was his will we could walk on water we could even float, I have no doubt that one who holds the world in his hands, is able to create something as powerful as the sun while controling it along with the universe is far more than capable of doing what you say is impossible its like flicking a fly to him

WebersHome · Apr 10, 2015

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†. 1John 1:8-10 . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
the truth is not in us. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a
liar, and His word is not in us.

John's first epistle wasn't penned for the benefit of the outside world. It was
penned specifically for Christians. So then, it is my opinion that John is
saying that Christians are dishonest; and if they say that they are not
dishonest; then they are the kind of liars who lie to themselves; viz: they're
delusional.

So; it appears to me that dishonesty-- though unbecoming for Christians --is
nevertheless the norm. So if dishonesty is the norm, then how are Christians
going to get around the passage below:

"All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death." (Rev 21:7-8)

That passage doesn't say that some liars will end up in the lake of fire, no; it
says "all".

That's not the only bad news. According to the passage below, there are no
liars' names recorded in the Lamb's book of life.

"No one who practices lying, shall ever come into [the holy city, the new
Jerusalem] but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of
life." (Rev 21:27)

If Christians are dishonest in this life, it's reasonable to expect that they will
be dishonest in the next; and thus barred from both the holy city and the
Lamb's book of life unless God has a trick up His sleeve for amputating a
Christian's human nature and replacing it with His own.

†. 2Pet 1:4 . .He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises,
in order that by them you might become partakers of the divine nature.

The divine nature is the cat's meow because God is 110% sinless through
and through.

Prior to meeting the Conservative Baptist minister who would eventually lead
me to break away from the Roman Catholic Church; it occurred to me that it
would sure be a whole lot easier to please God if I was like Him instead
of like me. Well; imagine the amazement that washed over upon discovering
that my thoughts were on the right track.

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Viligant_Warrior · Apr 10, 2015

WebersHome said:

Utter nonsense. No one is a natural-born liar. People learn to be dishonest for a multitude of reasons, but we all learn to lie! We have all done it. In Christ, we learn the "necessity" to lie is actually a sin based in the maladaptive response to environment, parenting, socialization, and learned behavior response. Lying has been observed in children as young as 42 months, long before the child is able to discern right from wrong.

There are three types of lies:

Primary: Told by young children to avoid discipline but which do not, by the child's inability to consider it, take into account the listener's mental state
Secondary: Same type of lie, learned about age five or six, when the child is able to consider the listener's mental state -- i.e., making the lie more believable
Tertiary: Lies become more consistent with known facts and follow-up statements, learned about age eight

Researchers at the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada, have peer-reviewed research showing 65% of children at age two and 94% at age four have lied at least once.

That doesn't make it right. But claiming anyone is a "natural born liar" is a bogus dodge that denies the innocence of lying in children and the need to take corrective disciplinary action before the child grows up to be Barack Obama.

Lynn68 · Apr 10, 2015

All unsaved liars will go to the lake of fire. That's what it means.

Viligant_Warrior · Apr 10, 2015

Lynn68 said:

Coulda left "liars" out and still have been right.

Blain · Apr 10, 2015

WebersHome said:

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†. 1John 1:8-10 . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
the truth is not in us. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a
liar, and His word is not in us.

John's first epistle wasn't penned for the benefit of the outside world. It was
penned specifically for Christians. So then, it is my opinion that John is
saying that Christians are dishonest; and if they say that they are not
dishonest; then they are the kind of liars who lie to themselves; viz: they're
delusional.

So; it appears to me that dishonesty-- though unbecoming for Christians --is
nevertheless the norm. So if dishonesty is the norm, then how are Christians
going to get around the passage below:

"All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death." (Rev 21:7-8)

That passage doesn't say that some liars will end up in the lake of fire, no; it
says "all".

That's not the only bad news. According to the passage below, there are no
liars' names recorded in the Lamb's book of life.

"No one who practices lying, shall ever come into [the holy city, the new
Jerusalem] but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of
life." (Rev 21:27)

If Christians are dishonest in this life, it's reasonable to expect that they will
be dishonest in the next; and thus barred from both the holy city and the
Lamb's book of life unless God has a trick up His sleeve for amputating a
Christian's human nature and replacing it with His own.

†. 2Pet 1:4 . .He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises,
in order that by them you might become partakers of the divine nature.

The divine nature is the cat's meow because God is 110% sinless through
and through.

Prior to meeting the Conservative Baptist minister who would eventually lead
me to break away from the Roman Catholic Church; it occurred to me that it
would sure be a whole lot easier to please God if I was like Him instead
of like me. Well; imagine the amazement that washed over upon discovering
that my thoughts were on the right track.

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LOL wrong scripture wrong time buddy

The scripture is talking about sin in general not one particular sin like sinning. I don't believe we can be completely without sin as long as we are in the fleshly body but we can with God's help stop certain sins entirely. for instance we are able to never steal. and to stop lying is an easy matter it just requires the right heart dedication and to lean on God.

Pumicestone · Apr 10, 2015

Viligant_Warrior said:

Or either President Bush ???

But really, such bias, such hate.
Impossible to believe that anyone holding such views could maintain an impartial, professional approach in any therapy situation.

ember · Apr 10, 2015

...this thread needs some weird music to accompany it....

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