LIFE UNDER THE NEW COVENANT :)
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The Ten Commandments were only the tip of the iceberg of Old Testament law, but God’s laws don’t change- ever. (Stay with me...) The fault that He found with the old covenant is, well for one, giving us a list of what to do or not do doesn’t keep us from sinning, it just let’s us know we have sinned. (The law of sin and death- if you sin you die). And for two, physical circumcision only represented cutting sin away from a man, it did not actually cut sin away like circumcision of the heart- which God performs with Christ’s blood (spiritually) during baptism.
But when God said He would put His laws on our hearts and minds (spiritual) instead of on stone tablets (physical), yes He was talking about His laws- which include the Ten Commandments. But what He means by that is He will have us obey His laws spiritually instead of physically. For example, under Moses, you could not physically murder someone else, but under Christ, if you hate your brother, you are already guilty of murder. If you look at someone to lust after them, you are already guilty of adultery- because you did so in your heart (you disobeyed God’s law spiritually).
Now take all the laws of the Old Testament, and imagine obeying them spiritually instead of physically- and there’s the difference. It’s not that God’s law changed- you cannot murder in the Old Testament, and you cannot murder in the New Testament. God’s law did not change, only the way we obey it changed. And since the law under Moses was physical, it got nailed to the cross, forevermore. Because love (which is spiritual) fulfills all the laws the prophets were talking about- because if you truly love God and your neighbor, you will not in that moment steal from or murder anyone, and no one has to tell you not to, because with love it comes automatically. But if it doesn’t...
God still tell us what to do- “If your enemy is hungry feed him, if he is thirsty give him something to drink.” This way we are completely without excuse, but God wants us to obey from the heart- just because it’s the right thing to do. A rich man bragged to Jesus that he obeyed all the laws since he was a child, but when Jesus asked him to give his riches to the poor and come follow Him, he couldn’t do it. Laws are just to help guide our hearts where they should be. God doesn’t want a completed to-do list checked off, He wants our hearts to obey Him as they reflect His love like diamonds reflect light. He wants us to be genuine, like He is.
“But the law of the Spirit of Life set me free from the law of sin and death.” “...those who do not live according to the sinful flesh, but according to the Spirit.” We can no longer obey what the flesh desires, we must obey what the Holy Spirit desires.
But when God said He would put His laws on our hearts and minds (spiritual) instead of on stone tablets (physical), yes He was talking about His laws- which include the Ten Commandments. But what He means by that is He will have us obey His laws spiritually instead of physically. For example, under Moses, you could not physically murder someone else, but under Christ, if you hate your brother, you are already guilty of murder. If you look at someone to lust after them, you are already guilty of adultery- because you did so in your heart (you disobeyed God’s law spiritually).
Now take all the laws of the Old Testament, and imagine obeying them spiritually instead of physically- and there’s the difference. It’s not that God’s law changed- you cannot murder in the Old Testament, and you cannot murder in the New Testament. God’s law did not change, only the way we obey it changed. And since the law under Moses was physical, it got nailed to the cross, forevermore. Because love (which is spiritual) fulfills all the laws the prophets were talking about- because if you truly love God and your neighbor, you will not in that moment steal from or murder anyone, and no one has to tell you not to, because with love it comes automatically. But if it doesn’t...
God still tell us what to do- “If your enemy is hungry feed him, if he is thirsty give him something to drink.” This way we are completely without excuse, but God wants us to obey from the heart- just because it’s the right thing to do. A rich man bragged to Jesus that he obeyed all the laws since he was a child, but when Jesus asked him to give his riches to the poor and come follow Him, he couldn’t do it. Laws are just to help guide our hearts where they should be. God doesn’t want a completed to-do list checked off, He wants our hearts to obey Him as they reflect His love like diamonds reflect light. He wants us to be genuine, like He is.
“But the law of the Spirit of Life set me free from the law of sin and death.” “...those who do not live according to the sinful flesh, but according to the Spirit.” We can no longer obey what the flesh desires, we must obey what the Holy Spirit desires.
It was the WAY you said It.Grace and TRUTH came by JESUS and when I say TRUTH,I'm talking about GOD looks at the heart,man cannot wash the Inside.
Give GOD all the credit.The way that you said that the new covenant was to keep the law sounded to me like we are to keep the law and only JESUS kept the law.
Give GOD all the credit.The way that you said that the new covenant was to keep the law sounded to me like we are to keep the law and only JESUS kept the law.
We are to Keep the Law of Faith... we are to Keep the Commandments of GOD and Have the Faith of Jesus.
I have never given glory to anyone but GOD and His Love and Truth that came through the Messiah.
To be under Grace at Liberty in Christ to be a doer of the Royal Law gives all glory and credit to GOD.
Not a single person has ever been made righteous while living under the covenant of the law. Even David failed and he was a man after God's own heart. We Christians need to realize every day we can't be made righteous by our adherence to the laws written on tablets of stone.
It's amazing to read here how so many believers are defending their right to law keeping as if it's something to be proud of. We are supposed to be looking at the finished work of Jesus seeing HIS many blessings and not forgetting all His benefits to and for us. Psalm 103:2-8
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2 [/SUP]Bless (affectionately, gratefully praise) the Lord, O my soul, and forget not [one of] all His benefits—
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3 [/SUP]Who forgives [every one of] all your iniquities, Who heals [each one of] all your diseases,
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4 [/SUP]Who redeems your life from the pit and corruption, Who beautifies, dignifies, and crowns you with loving-kindness and tender mercy;
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5 [/SUP]Who satisfies your mouth [your necessity and desire at your personal age and situation] with good so that your youth, renewed, is like the eagle’s [strong, overcoming, soaring]!
We are supposed to be remembering Jesus not us. Jesus is the one who died on the cross and shed His blood for us so we do not have to depend on the keeping of the law to get us to God the Father. We have Jesus who did all that was required. God wants us to acknowledge His Son. All we have as believers is because of Jesus and what He did for us.
He didn't do all that He did so we could be law keepers. He did it so we could be beloved sons and daughters walking in forgiveness and newness of life. Not striving to get forgiveness and newness of life. So many Christians just don't see this major change of covenants Jesus brought us into when He went to the cross. Many Christians are trying to sew up the veil that was "rent in two" by keeping the law of Moses.
2 Cor.3:16 Whenever a man turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
We no longer need to wear a veil we have FREE AND CLEAR access to the Father through His Son Jesus. We got that free access when we got born again.
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It's because so many of us are still trying to be righteous by the law that many are weak and sick and many sleep. When we receive communion we are to be thinking of what Jesus did so that our sins and lawless deeds ARE remembered no more ., "do this in remembrance of Me" Acknowledging the Son at communion.
Acknowledging His finished work that was completed so that there remains NO MORE other kinds of forgiveness for sins. It's that finished work Jesus accomplished., not ours in obedience. We go in HIS obedience., not our own. I believe the reason so many are not seeing the miracles of Jesus like it says in Psalms about forget not His benefits in their lives like is because Christians are trying to go to communion and before the Father due to their own righteous works., forgetting that they have been forgiven. Going to God on their own good works and not due to the finished work of Christ.
Acknowledging His finished work that was completed so that there remains NO MORE other kinds of forgiveness for sins. It's that finished work Jesus accomplished., not ours in obedience. We go in HIS obedience., not our own. I believe the reason so many are not seeing the miracles of Jesus like it says in Psalms about forget not His benefits in their lives like is because Christians are trying to go to communion and before the Father due to their own righteous works., forgetting that they have been forgiven. Going to God on their own good works and not due to the finished work of Christ.
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Well since his statement is in the OP, why do you say that you "don't know" if that is what he said. So please read this quotation slowly and carefully and see what is being said (and don't expect clarification from the one who promotes confusion):
"What laws was God referring to when He said, “I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts”? He was certainly not referring to the Ten Commandments, known as the laws of the old covenant, since He said that He found fault with that covenant and declared it obsolete. (Hebrews 8:7–9, 13)"
Well when God says "I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts" what other laws could they be other than the Ten Commandments, which are then worked out in the Law of Love? (Romans 13:8-10 which specifically refers to five of those commandments, and then Paul says "if there be any other commandment", indicating that all Ten Commandents are within the Law of Love).
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Furthermore, Prince had a solemn duty and responsibility to study the Scriptures before presenting his nonsense, since we also find this in Scripture, with reference to the Law of Love (called the Royal Law or the Law of Liberty)
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. (James 2:8-12)
Now the Lord Jesus Christ took the Ten Commandments and distilled them into the TWO GREATEST COMMANDMENTS. He was certainly NOT finding fault with the Ten Commandments, nor was He declaring them obsolete. He was in fact firmly ESTABLISHING them as these two (Mark 12:28-31):
28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. [covering the first four commandments]
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [covering the last six commandments] There is none other commandment greater than these.
Now Paul took "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself" and made that the Law of Love. James took that also, and made it the Royal Law or the Law of Liberty. And this is what God has written in the hearts and minds of believers. So do you see now how Prince has attacked a fundamental Bible truth? Does James say that we will be judged by the Law of Liberty? And does James say that Christians can commit sin? If so, how can the Ten Commandments be faulty or obsolete?
"What laws was God referring to when He said, “I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts”? He was certainly not referring to the Ten Commandments, known as the laws of the old covenant, since He said that He found fault with that covenant and declared it obsolete. (Hebrews 8:7–9, 13)"
Well when God says "I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts" what other laws could they be other than the Ten Commandments, which are then worked out in the Law of Love? (Romans 13:8-10 which specifically refers to five of those commandments, and then Paul says "if there be any other commandment", indicating that all Ten Commandents are within the Law of Love).
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Furthermore, Prince had a solemn duty and responsibility to study the Scriptures before presenting his nonsense, since we also find this in Scripture, with reference to the Law of Love (called the Royal Law or the Law of Liberty)
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. (James 2:8-12)
Now the Lord Jesus Christ took the Ten Commandments and distilled them into the TWO GREATEST COMMANDMENTS. He was certainly NOT finding fault with the Ten Commandments, nor was He declaring them obsolete. He was in fact firmly ESTABLISHING them as these two (Mark 12:28-31):
28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. [covering the first four commandments]
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [covering the last six commandments] There is none other commandment greater than these.
Now Paul took "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself" and made that the Law of Love. James took that also, and made it the Royal Law or the Law of Liberty. And this is what God has written in the hearts and minds of believers. So do you see now how Prince has attacked a fundamental Bible truth? Does James say that we will be judged by the Law of Liberty? And does James say that Christians can commit sin? If so, how can the Ten Commandments be faulty or obsolete?
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Much more to this but will only post certain points:
In every way, the new covenant is superior to the old.
– The old covenant failed because it hinged on your imperfect obedience, but new covenant endures because it is founded on Christ’s perfect obedience unto death.
– The old covenant says you will be blessed if you do good, but the new declares we are blessed because God is good.
– The old covenant warns that you will be punished if you do bad, but the new declares that in Christ you are eternally unpunishable.
For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. (Hebrews 8:7)
On the cross the sinless Savior fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law. The old covenant that had been so shabbily treated by the children of Israel could now be satisfactorily concluded. Thus, with his final breath, Jesus declared, “It is finished” (John 19:30). The old covenant began when Moses received the law; it ended when Christ fulfilled it.
(taken from commentary from Paul Ellis)
This is most certainly Good News., This is the Gospel of the new covenant that Jesus brought us.
In every way, the new covenant is superior to the old.
– The old covenant failed because it hinged on your imperfect obedience, but new covenant endures because it is founded on Christ’s perfect obedience unto death.
– The old covenant says you will be blessed if you do good, but the new declares we are blessed because God is good.
– The old covenant warns that you will be punished if you do bad, but the new declares that in Christ you are eternally unpunishable.
For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. (Hebrews 8:7)
On the cross the sinless Savior fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law. The old covenant that had been so shabbily treated by the children of Israel could now be satisfactorily concluded. Thus, with his final breath, Jesus declared, “It is finished” (John 19:30). The old covenant began when Moses received the law; it ended when Christ fulfilled it.
(taken from commentary from Paul Ellis)
This is most certainly Good News., This is the Gospel of the new covenant that Jesus brought us.
[FONT="]What does the believer want? I know for myself I want to be in the will of God. I know THAT place is the safest and best place to be. I also know that in order to be there I have to believe.
I don't understand your thinking Trofumus. Don't you believe that we as believers should by all means "forget not His benefits"? Don't you think what the Lord Jesus has done is "worth" thinking about? I do. And in that thinking and believing there IS joy and there is great satisfaction. There is peace and there is BLESSING.
If you don't seek or want that kind of blessing in your life., it's ok with me. But why try to take it away from others by trying to insinuate that wanting to be blessed is wrong? Being blessed IS a blessing. HELLOO[/FONT]
If your determined to not be confused by the facts., there is nothing I can do. I have not been to those "victory" churches you are talking about., But I'm still looking for one in my area.
Heavens!!! going to a victory church is a bad thing? I suppose we should want to go to a none and no victory church???
Heavens!!! going to a victory church is a bad thing? I suppose we should want to go to a none and no victory church???
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Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
New covenant = newness of the spirit. Old covenant = oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Sin is still around today = the law is still pointing it out.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
We are free from the law because Jesus fulfilled it for us and the penalty of death was paid for us. But do we than make the law void because of the grace. Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
The new covenant is God writing the law on our hearts spiritually.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
New covenant = newness of the spirit. Old covenant = oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Sin is still around today = the law is still pointing it out.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
We are free from the law because Jesus fulfilled it for us and the penalty of death was paid for us. But do we than make the law void because of the grace. Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
The new covenant is God writing the law on our hearts spiritually.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
There is a major need for us to understand the difference in covenants. We are under the new covenant so the requirements are different now.
The cross changed everything
In the moment Jesus died the temple veil was supernaturally torn. It was rent from top to bottom signifying that God was done with the old covenant. The law was a shadow, but Christ is the reality. Jesus is the old covenant fulfilled.
By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. (Hebrews 8:13, NIV)
Christ’s perfect sacrifice made the old covenant instantly obsolete. From God’s perspective it had served no further purpose. Yet after Christ died religious Jews continued bringing animals to the temple to be slain in ritual sacrifice.
Imagine how offensive those sacrifices must have been in the eyes of heaven. Each sacrifice declared, “Jesus died for nothing.” Every priest and penitent was essentially saying, “God, your Son’s death means nothing to me.” What an insult! What blasphemy!
yet no lightning bolts from heaven.....
The cross changed everything
In the moment Jesus died the temple veil was supernaturally torn. It was rent from top to bottom signifying that God was done with the old covenant. The law was a shadow, but Christ is the reality. Jesus is the old covenant fulfilled.
By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. (Hebrews 8:13, NIV)
Christ’s perfect sacrifice made the old covenant instantly obsolete. From God’s perspective it had served no further purpose. Yet after Christ died religious Jews continued bringing animals to the temple to be slain in ritual sacrifice.
Imagine how offensive those sacrifices must have been in the eyes of heaven. Each sacrifice declared, “Jesus died for nothing.” Every priest and penitent was essentially saying, “God, your Son’s death means nothing to me.” What an insult! What blasphemy!
yet no lightning bolts from heaven.....
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continued.....
Yet no lightning bolts fell from heaven. The ground did not open up and swallow these blasphemers.
Unauthorized sacrifices
Contrast that with what happened to Aaron’s sons when they brought an unauthorized offering into the tabernacle: Fire from God consumed them (Leviticus 10:1-2). Nadab and Abihu died as screaming, burning testimonies to the seriousness of sin. But that was under the old covenant which was no more.
Now in the new covenant, priests who brought unauthorized sacrifices went home unharmed. They didn’t know it but they were living testimonies of God’s grace. Had the old covenant still been in effect, there could have been fire and screaming. There would have been one animal sacrifice and no more. But the old covenant was finished, so unauthorized and blasphemous sacrifices continued for years.
But he, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God. (Hebrews 10:12)
Jesus sat but the Jews stood for there are no chairs in the temple. For forty years they carried on with their religious rituals as though nothing had changed, but everything had changed. This is why God never judged them, not in AD30, nor in AD70.
How could he when their sin had been borne by the Savior they rejected?
I guess I'm the only one here tonight who finds this AMAZING AND GREAT NEWS!!!! I'm so glad to be in the new covenant!!!!! As alone as that might be tonight here on this thread.....
Yet no lightning bolts fell from heaven. The ground did not open up and swallow these blasphemers.
Unauthorized sacrifices
Contrast that with what happened to Aaron’s sons when they brought an unauthorized offering into the tabernacle: Fire from God consumed them (Leviticus 10:1-2). Nadab and Abihu died as screaming, burning testimonies to the seriousness of sin. But that was under the old covenant which was no more.
Now in the new covenant, priests who brought unauthorized sacrifices went home unharmed. They didn’t know it but they were living testimonies of God’s grace. Had the old covenant still been in effect, there could have been fire and screaming. There would have been one animal sacrifice and no more. But the old covenant was finished, so unauthorized and blasphemous sacrifices continued for years.
But he, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God. (Hebrews 10:12)
Jesus sat but the Jews stood for there are no chairs in the temple. For forty years they carried on with their religious rituals as though nothing had changed, but everything had changed. This is why God never judged them, not in AD30, nor in AD70.
How could he when their sin had been borne by the Savior they rejected?
I guess I'm the only one here tonight who finds this AMAZING AND GREAT NEWS!!!! I'm so glad to be in the new covenant!!!!! As alone as that might be tonight here on this thread.....
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He has a new book called "Live the let go life" I've pre-ordered and hoping to get it tomorrow or the next week. We get it here in Singapore a month earlier and I'm excited to read it!
I completely agree with the text in bold below. My old church used to preach a lot on sin-consciousness, not in a condemning way, more like in a terrorising way! I had to keep long lists of daily habits to get myself right with God everyday. Read 1 bible chapter a day, must say thank you... think of anything I can think of thanking Him for. Which are not bad things, but the shift in focus from the Saviour to the little things, was the huge gap that was separating me from the joy and freedom that Jesus gives.
Now, knowing that I am under the new covenant which is better than the old, and that Jesus is the focus, my life has never been better.
I completely agree with the text in bold below. My old church used to preach a lot on sin-consciousness, not in a condemning way, more like in a terrorising way! I had to keep long lists of daily habits to get myself right with God everyday. Read 1 bible chapter a day, must say thank you... think of anything I can think of thanking Him for. Which are not bad things, but the shift in focus from the Saviour to the little things, was the huge gap that was separating me from the joy and freedom that Jesus gives.
Now, knowing that I am under the new covenant which is better than the old, and that Jesus is the focus, my life has never been better.