Lights and Stars what’s the difference

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Or when pertaining to all believers the innumerable.

Hebrews 11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

In the new order the reflected glory of stars will be a honor for the new creature. Glory, Glory ,Glory

And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. Revelation 21: 24

The 12 stars, 12 a number used to represent the authority of God as a whole. It represents the bride of Christ, the whole church. the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
I’m certainly not into the zodiac signs but the earth rotates around the sun and the sun appears in twelve different constellations through out a year
 

posthuman

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and experiments conducted to date have indicated that it is the stars moving, not the Earth.
All motion is relative. What experiments are you talking about?
 

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You can look them up online. One is known as Airy's failure, the other Michelson-Morley.

The link below is to a geocentrist's (Malcolm Bowden) explanation of Airy's experiment.

These show there is no aether. That's all. They don't show the earth is immobile. In fact they make use of the fact that the earth orbits the sun, in having repeated the experiment during different seasons to determine if the hypothetical aether had direction.
 

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Or when pertaining to all believers the innumerable.

Hebrews 11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
Your limited capacity with the English language is hindering your understanding of Scripture. These are similes; the number of believers is being compared to the number of stars or grains of sand. The believers themselves are not compared with stars.

In the new order the reflected glory of stars will be a honor for the new creature. Glory, Glory ,Glory

And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. Revelation 21: 24
The stars do not represent anything here.

The 12 stars, 12 a number used to represent the authority of God as a whole. It represents the bride of Christ, the whole church. the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Nowhere in Scripture is it stated that the number 12 represents the authority of God as a whole. Any such representations are therefore not doctrinal but rather speculative.
 
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These show there is no aether. That's all. They don't show the earth is immobile. In fact they make use of the fact that the earth orbits the sun, in having repeated the experiment during different seasons to determine if the hypothetical aether had direction.
I notice what the guy says isn’t what Bradley was studying in 1728 it was about light speed. either the author didn’t get it or the guy did it on purpose.
 
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Big bang? Seriously? And here I thought God created it all.
We are told: "In the beginning God Created Heaven and Earth". According to Science the Universe started out: hydrogen and helium along with trace amounts of lithium and beryllium. The universe actually has a balance of a billion to a billion and one. Otherwise it would self destruct. Neil DeGrasse Tyson wrote an interesting book about astrophysics. He even has a version for young people.
 

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Nowhere in Scripture is it stated that the number 12 represents the authority of God as a whole.
There are 12 tribes of Israel, 12 Apostles, 12 months in a year, 12 hours in a day, 12 musical notes in an octave, 12 gates to Jerusalem, 12 minor prophets,
 
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Nowhere in Scripture is it stated that the number 12 represents the authority of God as a whole.
There are 12 tribes of Israel, 12 Apostles, 12 months in a year, 12 hours in a day, 12 musical notes in an octave, 12 gates to Jerusalem, 12 minor prophets. Hebrews letters have numeric values. So 12 would be a 10 & 2 Yod and Bet.
 

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This reminds me of a children's song that was rewritten by a scientist (true story).
Twinkle, twinkle little star
Now I know just what you are
An incandescent ball of gas
Condensed into a solid mass
Twinkle, twinkle little star
Now I know just what you are
 

Dino246

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We are told: "In the beginning God Created Heaven and Earth". According to Science the Universe started out: hydrogen and helium along with trace amounts of lithium and beryllium. The universe actually has a balance of a billion to a billion and one. Otherwise it would self destruct. Neil DeGrasse Tyson wrote an interesting book about astrophysics. He even has a version for young people.
He's not a Christian, and he holds to the unscientific Big Bang hypothesis.
 

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These show there is no aether. That's all. They don't show the earth is immobile. In fact they make use of the fact that the earth orbits the sun, in having repeated the experiment during different seasons to determine if the hypothetical aether had direction.
If there is no aether, on what does light travel? The presumption that there is no aether is just that, a presumption, to try to make sense of the experiments proving the Earth is still. But this presumption makes no sense, as all waves require a medium, and aether is the medium on which light waves travel. If one accepts the fact that there is aether, the experiments prove that Earth is stationary, and no make-believe special exceptions need be invented for light waves.
 
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Aether was a medieval science and long been proven false and in modern times with optical resonators.
Even newton threw out that idea of aether and gravitational reactions even Einstein was embarrassed in considering the aether theory.



. The result was negative, in that Michelson and Morley found no significant difference between the speed of light in the direction of movement through the presumed aether, and the speed at right angles. This result is generally considered to be the first strong evidence against the then-prevalent aether theory, and initiated a line of research that eventually led to special relativity, which rules out a stationary aether. Of this experiment, Einstein wrote, "If the Michelson–Morley experiment had not brought us into serious embarrassment, no one would have regarded the relativity theory as a (halfway) redemption."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson–Morley_experiment
 
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There are 12 tribes of Israel, 12 Apostles, 12 months in a year, 12 hours in a day, 12 musical notes in an octave, 12 gates to Jerusalem, 12 minor prophets,
western music uses 12 notes in a octave, the word octave is derived from octagon meaning 8 sided or in music 8 notes
 
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western music uses 12 notes in a octave, the word octave is derived from octagon meaning 8 sided or in music 8 notes
My son has studied music most of his life. He knows a lot about all of that.
 

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If there is no aether, on what does light travel?
Photonic radiation doesn't need a medium to travel. Get yourself a vacuum chamber and shine a flashlight at it, if you need to prove it to yourself ;)
 

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this presumption makes no sense, as all waves require a medium
Light is both a particle and a wave. It speaks of the duality of our own nature, being both physical and non physical.

Gravity and electromagnetic force don't need a medium of transmission any more than any part of the EM spectrum does.

My friend, you are working from 500 year old physics. Much has been learned since then.
 
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he holds to the unscientific Big Bang hypothesis.
The Big Bang started out at least 1,000 years ago as a Religious belief. Science has shown us that this is true and this is how the universe started. God showed me in a dream when I was a child that the universe is expanding. With the Space Hubble camera and simple trigonometry we can see that the universe is expanding. This is the same math we use for our GPS. God also told me that at some point in time the universe would begin to shrink or contract. I had this dream may years before I read about this in Science and in Religion.

I never got past chapter one of Tysons book on Astrophysics. It is a wild ride. The idea that without the billion to a billion and one imbalance between matter and antimatter the universe would have self-annihilated. What they call science is more interesting then science fiction. I would read and study this if it was true or not.
 
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Light is both a particle and a wave.
Light can be measured as a wave or a particle but never both at the same time. We see this at the event horizon. Also at the horizon, usually on the beach at sunset people can get some interesting photos. We see this in the double slit experiment. I studied up on this at one time and the physics of light is very interesting. I worked as an electrician on the lighting crew of our state ballet company. If we control the light then we can control peoples reality in theater. We take them out of their world into a different world. Then at the end of the performance we return them to their world a changed and different person.
 
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then what are stars also are they not lights or something else?
The light is modified or changed by the firmament or atmosphere. This is refraction. Mainly we are interested in the green house effect of the atmosphere. There is a reason why we put a camera on the Hubble outside of the firmament.
 

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Something to ponder. Everything is energy, even matter, though matter is "slowed" energy.