LIONS AND WOLVES AND FALSE PROPHETS OH MY

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Deade

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Yes I was pre-selected to burn. Even when I myself led others to Christ in my younger years. I guess I NEVER was a Christian, I was just trying to fit in.

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I do not know how you will die, it is appointed to man to die once. Nobody will be tortured forever in flames. The Bible says: Romans 6:23a "For the wages of sin is death," and it means death. You cease to exist. The judgment period is not what most people think it is. But that is another thread.
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I do not know how you will die, it is appointed to man to die once. Nobody will be tortured forever in flames. The Bible says: Romans 6:23a "For the wages of sin is death," and it means death. You cease to exist. The judgment period is not what most people think it is. But that is another thread.
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Oh it does not?

Matthew 25
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
 
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I do not know how you will die, it is appointed to man to die once. Nobody will be tortured forever in flames. The Bible says: Romans 6:23a "For the wages of sin is death," and it means death. You cease to exist. The judgment period is not what most people think it is. But that is another thread.
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Jesus Vs Paul..... HAHAHAHA
 

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Jesus Vs Paul..... HAHAHAHA
If your reference is to my statement on Paul, reading it and understanding it, yu will see it is plainly not PITTING Jesus against Paul.
 
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There are many who have raised this question about Paul. I know he is not aprophesied apostle. I know also his witness seems to be onlhy from himself,. These make me to always go to Jesus Chrisst the Master (meaning teacher) on any subject to be clear on it.

Like Mary, if I do not understand a point, and there have been a myriad of them, I hold them in my heartuntil God reveals teh understanding knowing it may not be until His great and glorious day.

I have waited more than forty years for a few clarifications and many I still await, and this is normal for all who believe. After all the Word is just One Person, our Savior. Praise God, He is worthy, amen.

I would suggest no such thing as a not a prophesied apostle. Scripture as in all things written in the law and prophets proves scripture proving God moved men to both will and perform his god pleasure . No separating scripture from scripture
 
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If your reference is to my statement on Paul, reading it and understanding it, yu will see it is plainly not PITTING Jesus against Paul.
It's not to your statement, as your statement is not unique. It is to the general Idea of which we are forced to acknowledge.
 

JaumeJ

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I would suggest no such thing as a not a prophesied apostle. Scripture as in all things written in the law and prophets proves scripture proving God moved men to both will and perform his god pleasure . No separating scripture from scripture
I am not certain as to your intent in your post. If you are saying my reference to Paul not being prophesied is in error, then reveal it to me.

As for God moving men or using men, He always has and always will. He useseveryone who come to Jesus Christ, none of whom are prophesied by name, though we will all have new names in Heaven.

Yahweh will use anything that suits His purpose, His will, in order to further the goodness of His plan for us all.........no question there.
 
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I am not certain as to your intent in your post. If you are saying my reference to Paul not being prophesied is in error, then reveal it to me.

As for God moving men or using men, He always has and always will. He useseveryone who come to Jesus Christ, none of whom are prophesied by name, though we will all have new names in Heaven.

Yahweh will use anything that suits His purpose, His will, in order to further the goodness of His plan for us all.........no question there.
Im sure Paul thought he was of prophetic proportions.

Zechariah 8:22-23, Isaiah 42:6-7 and 49:6

Take a look....
 

Deade

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Oh it does not?

Matthew 25
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
All that says is the fire and punishment are eternal which simply means final. It does not say there will be conscience spirits or souls there. Even in Revelation I suggest is a memorial preserved in film or archived somehow.

Rev. 20:10
"and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

Why is that? Because in Ezekiel 28:13-19 it tells us that even Satan will be brought to ashes and completely destroyed. :cool:
 
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All that says is the fire and punishment are eternal which simply means final. It does not say there will be conscience spirits or souls there. Even in Revelation I suggest is a memorial preserved in film or archived somehow.

Rev. 20:10 "and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

Why is that? Because in Ezekiel 28:13-19 it tells us that even Satan will be brought to ashes and completely destroyed. :cool:
Oh gosh.... I love it how there's always a "proper" way to read something.
 

Deade

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Oh gosh.... I love it how there's always a "proper" way to read something.
Well either it all fits together or we are missing something. I suspect many scriptures because the RCC was caught adding or enhancing some scriptures. Like Matt. 27:52, 53 where the dead saints came out of their graves and were seen in the city. What is that? It does not fit with the rest of the scriptures.

We are even warned not to draw doctrine on one witness alone. See 2 Cor. 13:1 & 1 Tim. 5:19.


 

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Im sure Paul thought he was of prophetic proportions.

Zechariah 8:22-23, Isaiah 42:6-7 and 49:6

Take a look....
You like to throw around scripture that has no bearing on the subject at hand. Zech 8 is talking about the Lord the Messiah. Both instances in Isaiah were referring to the nation Israel. :)
 
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Well either it all fits together or we are missing something. I suspect many scriptures because the RCC was caught adding or enhancing some scriptures. Like Matt. 27:52, 53 where the dead saints came out of their graves and were seen in the city. What is that? It does not fit with the rest of the scriptures.

We are even warned not to draw doctrine on one witness alone. See 2 Cor. 13:1 & 1 Tim. 5:19.

So you either trust the bible or you don't.

I don't.
 
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You like to throw around scripture that has no bearing on the subject at hand. Zech 8 is talking about the Lord the Messiah. Both instances in Isaiah were referring to the nation Israel. :)
My point is that Scripture can mean anything you want it to mean. Just like they used it generously throughout the NT.
 

Deade

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My point is that Scripture can mean anything you want it to mean. Just like they used it generously throughout the NT.
I'll have to agree with you, if you wrestle, twist and turn the scriptures you can almost prove any false doctrine. That is why we have the HS to help us learn. We either have the real Comforter or a phony one from the great deceiver.

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I'll have to agree with you, if you wrestle, twist and turn the scriptures you can almost prove any false doctrine. That is why we have the HS to help us learn. We either have the real Comforter or a phony one from the great deceiver.

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There is no way to verify the Holy spirit other than having faith that it indeed is the Holy spirit. Doesn't sound like it is very reliable for identifying truth.... it is a circular fallacy.
 

JaumeJ

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i THINK OF THE MEN OF RE


I discovered the sentence above without having typed it, pasted it or replying to anything to do with it? What's going on here?
 

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I'll have to agree with you, if you wrestle, twist and turn the scriptures you can almost prove any false doctrine. That is why we have the HS to help us learn. We either have the real Comforter or a phony one from the great deceiver.

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JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.[16] AND I WILL PRAY THE FATHER, AND HE SHALL GIVE YOU ANOTHER COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever;[17] Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you

No twistin scripture here. The Word says what it says
 

Deade

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JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.[16] AND I WILL PRAY THE FATHER, AND HE SHALL GIVE YOU ANOTHER COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever;[17] Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you

No twistin scripture here. The Word says what it says
Oh! I agree with you fully. I keep His commandments, not just outwardly but in spirit and truth. How about you?

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Oh! I agree with you fully. I keep His commandments, not just outwardly but in spirit and truth. How about you?
ROMANS 7 [14] For we know that THE LAW IS SPIRITUAL: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Yeah, thats the plan.