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Addison

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Hi.

I was once told that there was a man who prayed to Jesus and that very much angered Him at the time.

Does anyone know of the verse that this occurred and perhaps any context of why Jesus didn't want such authority?

Ever since I was scolded on the relationship I had with Christ, I've felt a great disconnection.

Like I can no longer speak to Him or feel His presence anymore with me.

In a single moment, He just suddenly left in my heart and in my mind.

All that remained afterwards was only my faith.

I've been missing what I had with Him and I would very much like it back again.

Please and thank you.
 

Adstar

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I do not recall anything in the scripture like that....

Who told you that and did they give you any Book chapter or verse references ?


(John 5:26-27) "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; {27} And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man."
 
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JaumeJ

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You may have in mind when someone called Jesus good. Jesus was not angry, I do not believe, but He replied, @Who are you to call Me good, only God is dood. Of course He knew His person, but He also knew others did not, not yet.

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
 

garee

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Hi.

I was once told that there was a man who prayed to Jesus and that very much angered Him at the time.

Does anyone know of the verse that this occurred and perhaps any context of why Jesus didn't want such authority?
Jesus as the son of man which speaks of the temporal humanity was clothed in corruptible flesh likened as sinful in respect to that seen for His good purpose of destroying sin in the flesh .

Christ refused worship according to that seen. No authority according to the flesh.

He said only God is good to protect what he informed us in John in so much as His flesh profits for nothing according to His demonstration . God is not a man as us and neither is there any daysman (an infallible teacher after the flesh) between God and us. We are to walk by faith (the unseen) not the flesh as that seen.

And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. Luk 18:18
Ever since I was scolded on the relationship I had with Christ, I've felt a great disconnection.
There should be a disconnection in that way between the things of God and those of men so that we do not have the faith of Christ that works in us in respect to our own selves and end up blaspheming the Holy name we are called by. In that way he came to bring division.

Like I can no longer speak to Him or feel His presence anymore with me.

In a single moment, He just suddenly left in my heart and in my mind.

All that remained afterwards was only my faith.

I've been missing what I had with Him and I would very much like it back again.

Please and thank you.
Simply believe God and not that of your own self.

The Faith of God (coming from) as a work of Christ is all that is needed.

I would suggest doing the first works of God (believe God)as he works in us. Believing God is our first love by which we can know him. It I believe is a reflection of what we read in Revelation 2. they were having the faith of Christ in respect to a man named Nicole of a sect of the Nicolaitanes

Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; (believe God not Nicole) or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.Rev 2:4


Another suggestion is when we do doubt it does not mean we do not have salvation even though the accuser of the believers does accuse us day and night, if we doubt. Doubt is not the opposite of faith in the scriptures .Unbelief or no faith is.

The alternative would place a person in what I call the Hebrews 6 boat. They crucify Christ over and over every time they have doubt as a result of not doing the first works... believe God , who does abide in the believer forever.

Faith is a work, we are not saved by any work we could do. It is the work of God by which we can believe Him.
 

valiant

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Are you thinking of the Pharisee and the tax collector where the Pharisee prayed 'to himself'? (Luke 18.10-14)

The Lord often withdraws Himself from us so that we may seek Him more deeply. May I suggest that you read through John's Gospel a number of times so that He may bring Himself home to you>?
 
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Jesus and the father are one. I don't recall any passage where a person prayed to him & it angered him. Be careful of following what other people tell you. It is why we are to meditate on the scriptures and develop strong decernment so we can easily tell if people are lying. Many people follow false doctines so keep that in mind.
 
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Hi.

I was once told that there was a man who prayed to Jesus and that very much angered Him at the time.

Does anyone know of the verse that this occurred and perhaps any context of why Jesus didn't want such authority?

Ever since I was scolded on the relationship I had with Christ, I've felt a great disconnection.

Like I can no longer speak to Him or feel His presence anymore with me.

In a single moment, He just suddenly left in my heart and in my mind.

All that remained afterwards was only my faith.

I've been missing what I had with Him and I would very much like it back again.

Please and thank you.
I know of no such passage, however, I will say the same thing to you that I just wrote to Blain in Post 24 of this thread. Not feeling God is not the same thing as God drawing away from you. (Read link for more details. lol)
 

Locutus

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Ever since I was scolded on the relationship I had with Christ, I've felt a great disconnection.

Like I can no longer speak to Him or feel His presence anymore with me.

In a single moment, He just suddenly left in my heart and in my mind.
You need to give some more background here, what kind of relationship etc, what was the "scolding" in regards to?
 

Adstar

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You may have in mind when someone called Jesus good. Jesus was not angry, I do not believe, but He replied, @Who are you to call Me good, only God is dood. Of course He knew His person, but He also knew others did not, not yet.

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Jesus Never said ""Who are you to call Me good"" He asked the man a question""Why callest thou me good?""

Jesus was not denying that He was Good.. Jesus was Good.. Jesus was asking Him why He was calling Jesus Good.. The young man had a very bad habit of calling religious men Good Jesus was telling Him that oiny God was Good.. Of course the young man did not know that Jesus was God manifested in the flesh..
 

garee

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Jesus Never said ""Who are you to call Me good"" He asked the man a question""Why callest thou me good?""

Jesus was not denying that He was Good.. Jesus was Good.. Jesus was asking Him why He was calling Jesus Good.. The young man had a very bad habit of calling religious men Good Jesus was telling Him that oiny God was Good.. Of course the young man did not know that Jesus was God manifested in the flesh..
Amen and if I could add..

It seems to be one of those mysteries of the God head.

I think Jesus was denying no man could know God after the temporal flesh, as the son of man .

God is not a man as us and neither is there any fleshly, infallible interpreter between God not seen, and man seen. . The son of man, Jesus refused to give glory to his outward form, (flesh). God has no form.

The one that called Him good Master which means Teacher was hoping he could put his faith in the temporal flesh of Christ rather than walking by faith (the unseen) .

The portion in Mathew 23 can I believe aid us to understand .

In the same way we are to call no man father on earth the same applies to Master the good Teacher(one) ... Our father in heaven not seen. The son of man would not let men put Him on a pedestal in that way .It is reserved alone for our father not seen .He remains without form, without mother or father beginning of days or end of Spirit life. .

“Don’t let people do that to you, put you on a pedestal like that. You all have a “single Teacher”, and you are all classmates. Don’t set people up as experts over your life, letting them tell you what to do. Save that authority for God; let him tell you what to do. No one else should carry the title of ‘Father’; you have only one Father, and he’s in heaven. And don’t let people maneuver you into taking charge of them. There is only one Life-Leader for you and them—Christ. Mat 23:8

Or another translation

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; (the Holy Spirit not seen) and all ye are brethren.And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. Mat 23:9

It is emphasized in John 6 also . One Teacher /Master not seen .We come to Jesus seen, as the son of man subject to the things of men but again taught by the father not seen. Jesus refused to be put on a pedestal in that way giving Glory to the father not seen (the faith principle).

It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Joh 6:45

Shown as a warning regarding the anti-christs.

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of himabideth in you, and ye need not that any "man" teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it(the anointing of Christ not seen) hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1Jo 2:26
 
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Hi.

I was once told that there was a man who prayed to Jesus and that very much angered Him at the time.

Does anyone know of the verse that this occurred and perhaps any context of why Jesus didn't want such authority?

Ever since I was scolded on the relationship I had with Christ, I've felt a great disconnection.

Like I can no longer speak to Him or feel His presence anymore with me.

In a single moment, He just suddenly left in my heart and in my mind.

All that remained afterwards was only my faith.

I've been missing what I had with Him and I would very much like it back again.

Please and thank you.
Depleted has spoken very well on this. You should read the post she gave a link for.
He makes us to walk solely by faith when He sees we are ready to bear it. It feels to us like He has abandoned us and our first thought is that we must have done something to offend Him and cause Him to leave us.

He is gone from our senses because He has put us on a fast in spirit is one way to see and understand it. It is to grow our faith stronger.

Another man described it as like when a mother decides the child must stop drinking milk and so she withholds the milk and sets the child down to walk and learn to eat food.

It is a very painful experience to our flesh and even many others who try to help explain what we are experiencing because they have all experienced it too doesn't make it easier sometimes and we don't believe them that He will return to our senses but instead we feel like we have lost Him forever.

He's beginning to lead us by a better way but it doesn't feel that way at first. It only feels awful and tremendously painful.
 

JaumeJ

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The sese of the man asking is the same........If you think it is a sin that I paraphrase with understanding, just say so, but please do not ripple the peaceful waters. You have gone to a lot of trouble to post a moot commentary. May God bless you alway with understanding fro the Hly Spirit.

Jesus Never said ""Who are you to call Me good"" He asked the man a question""Why callest thou me good?""

Jesus was not denying that He was Good.. Jesus was Good.. Jesus was asking Him why He was calling Jesus Good.. The young man had a very bad habit of calling religious men Good Jesus was telling Him that oiny God was Good.. Of course the young man did not know that Jesus was God manifested in the flesh..
 

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Jesus Never said ""Who are you to call Me good"" He asked the man a question""Why callest thou me good?""

Jesus was not denying that He was Good.. Jesus was Good.. Jesus was asking Him why He was calling Jesus Good.. The young man had a very bad habit of calling religious men Good Jesus was telling Him that oiny God was Good.. Of course the young man did not know that Jesus was God manifested in the flesh..
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re-read, and always 'learn' something brand-new...
 

Magenta

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The young man had a very bad habit of calling religious men Good
Do you have a chapter and verse for that? I cannot find it...

I see the story in Mark (10:17-22) and Matthew (19:19-22) but no mention of that.
 

hornetguy

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I think it was in 1 Assumptions chapter 3..... :rolleyes: Just kidding sis.... but I can't count the times I've had people tell me some semi-outlandish thing and then declare emphatically "it's in the Bible... I've read it, but I can't remember where...."

This episode with "someone telling you that" should emphasize to you the importance of spending time in reading the word....

Before you know it, you'll be remembering the verses that others "can't remember where I read it..."

Also, you can do a search on a website like Bible Gateway, or even google it, and you can usually find what you are looking for.. it's good that you are questioning, and searching.... blessings to you...
 
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There was a man who came to Jesus to ask him to speak to his brother to make him divide the property, Jesus certainly seemed somewhat irritated when he told the man, who made me a judge over you, and then he taught about not being material minded.
 
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Something close...

Revelation 22:8-9
"And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things"

"Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God"
 

Ahwatukee

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You may have in mind when someone called Jesus good. Jesus was not angry, I do not believe, but He replied, @Who are you to call Me good, only God is good. Of course He knew His person, but He also knew others did not, not yet.

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Hello JaumeJ,

Regarding the scripture that you quoted, you are correct in that, Jesus was not angry at all. But he was simply getting the man to understand who he was speaking to. To paraphrase the scripture:

Why do you call me good? There is none good but God. And since you have called me good, then realize who you're talking to.
 

prove-all

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Not sure this pertains about subject but hope it helps.

The sin of simony

that he had amazed the Samaritans “for a long time with his sorcery” (Acts 8:11),
some even declaring that he was “the great Power of God” (Acts 8:10),
in an attempt to discredit the power of God (Matthew 24:24; 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

In the wake of hearing and seeing the disciple Philip “as he proclaimed the good news
of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ" (Acts 8:12),
Simon was baptized into the early church and “followed Philip everywhere” (Acts 8:13).

The Bible says that “the Holy Spirit had not yet come” upon the Samaritans (Acts 8:16).
Later, the apostles Peter and John arrived, at which time the Spirit came upon the believers.
Simon witnessed this event and “offered them money and said,

‘Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may
receive the Holy Spirit’” (Acts 8:19–20).

This man is known in secular history as Simon Magus. The surname “magus”
reveals that he was a member of the priestly caste of ancient Persia.
this Simon was a priest of the Babylonian mystery religion.

In fact, the people worshiped him as the “great power of God.”
They believed he was God in the flesh.

The sin of simony, or paying for position and influence in the church, is named for Simon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simony

At this point, Peter strongly reprimands Simon for his greed and states that he
needs to “repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he
may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart” (Acts 8:22).

Fearful of the apostle’s words, Simon pleads with Peter to pray to the Lord on his behalf.
23For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

Contemporary Christians should take from the account of Simon that the church, even today,
must be careful of those claiming to possess supernatural abilities, and those claiming to be
Christians who desire to “buy the gift of God with money,” for their "heart is not right before God”
(Acts 8:20–21).
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Nicolaitans

The root of the word Nicolaitans comes from Greek nikao, to conquer or overcome,
and laos, which means people and which the word laity comes from.

The two words together especially means the destruction of the people and refers
to the earliest form of what we call a priestly order or clergy which later on in
church history divided people and allowed for leadership other than those led
by the spirit of the risen Lord.

A good translation of Nicolaitan would be "those who prevail over the people."

This clerical system later developed into the papal hierarchy
of priests and clergy lording over the flock.

The Council of Trent stated, "If anyone shall say that there
is not in the Catholic Church a hierarchy established by the divine ordination,
consisting of bishops, presbyters and ministers, let him be anathema."

Nicolaism (also Nicholaism, Nicolationism, or Nicolaitanism) is a Christian heresy,
first mentioned (twice) in the Book of Revelation of the New Testament, whose adherents
were called Nicolaitans, Nicolaitanes, or Nicolaites. According to Revelation 2, vv. 6 and 15,
they were known in the cities of Ephesus and Pergamum.

In this chapter, the church at Ephesus is commended for
"hating the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate"

and the church in Pergamos is blamed "So hast thou also them
that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans".

Several of the early church fathers, including Irenaeus, Hippolytus,[2] Epiphanius, and Theodoret
mentioned this group, and stated that the deacon Nicolas was the author of the heresy and the sect

The Church of Ephesus was commended for hating the deeds of the Nicolaitans.
The wrong separation of the clergy from the laity is a great evil in God's sight
and He hates the lust for religious power over others.

There is an ungodly spiritual authority in the Church today, which is nothing more than the prideful
spirit of control, manipulation, domination and intimidation and a rebellion of the rightful authority
of God. The standard mega pulpit preacher today, any clerical leader or papal type ruling body and
many televangelists are treated as royalty and often are swimming in materialistic pleasures.

You will know them by their fruits.
 

Ahwatukee

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Hi.

I was once told that there was a man who prayed to Jesus and that very much angered Him at the time.

Does anyone know of the verse that this occurred and perhaps any context of why Jesus didn't want such authority?

Ever since I was scolded on the relationship I had with Christ, I've felt a great disconnection.

Like I can no longer speak to Him or feel His presence anymore with me.

In a single moment, He just suddenly left in my heart and in my mind.

All that remained afterwards was only my faith.

I've been missing what I had with Him and I would very much like it back again.

Please and thank you.
Hello Addison,

I personally cannot recall any specific scripture that demonstrates Jesus being angry with anyone for praying to him, unless you are talking about when Jairus, the synagogue ruler asked his disciples to cast out a demon and they were unable to do it. And within that prayer, the man said, "please help me 'if' you are able to.' Jesus response was 'if I can?' All things are possible with God.' "

Another possible scripture would be where a man said to Jesus "Lord, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me!" And Jesus said, "Man, who me judge or arbiter between you?"

In any case, the person who scolded you for having fellowship with Christ should be rebuked. First, you need to return to your fellowship with the Lord, because He never left you. For as His word says, "I will never leave you nor forsake you." And you need to have a spirit that remains steadfast in faith, even unto death. Don't let anyone detour you from your faith in Christ.

We will all pray for the strengthening of your faith and spiritual refreshing.