Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"
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2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Calvinistic reading of the same verse :
Elect , who were chosen before the foundation of the world to be converted in time later through sanctification of the spirit ,unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ.
Notice the assumption your engaging in also . It doesn't say ' to be saved ' ..SANCTIFICATION.
Calvinistic reading of the same verse :
Elect , who were chosen before the foundation of the world to be converted in time later through sanctification of the spirit ,unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ.
Notice the assumption your engaging in also . It doesn't say ' to be saved ' ..SANCTIFICATION.
Good description of what you’re doing.
You keep talking about Ephesians 2:11 and following. Let’s put a finer point on this.
These verses are talking about not only individuals, but also a group. The Gentiles were aliens and seperated from God’s commonwealth. But pray tell, did God predestine from eternity past that the Gospel would go to them. Yes.
Your eisegesis and prooftexting failed to even consider one of the main points of Ephesians. The mystery of God that was hidden in times past and now revealed, that Jews and Gentiles might be brought together through the removal of the dividing wall of hostility, making the two one and thus making peace.
That’s what Paul is talking about in that passage.
You keep talking about Ephesians 2:11 and following. Let’s put a finer point on this.
These verses are talking about not only individuals, but also a group. The Gentiles were aliens and seperated from God’s commonwealth. But pray tell, did God predestine from eternity past that the Gospel would go to them. Yes.
Your eisegesis and prooftexting failed to even consider one of the main points of Ephesians. The mystery of God that was hidden in times past and now revealed, that Jews and Gentiles might be brought together through the removal of the dividing wall of hostility, making the two one and thus making peace.
That’s what Paul is talking about in that passage.
To do what you mean ? Its God that chooses to do or for a purpose or service ect . No verse says ' chosen to salvation ' . So we can keep going round the houses on this ,but the bible never says individuals were hard picked to salvation through foreknowledge or otherwise ..The Arminian position is simply a ' tweak ' on the Calvinist position . They both place ' election ' to salvation, in eternity past . You have no verses but " if God knows, then this must mean, and God being this and by logic this and this word means...blah blah blah. And i don't equate predestination synonymous with ' election ' . They are separate meanings .
