Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

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No mention of the atonement, nor sanctification?

Atonement is mentioned in the verses following. The basis of justification and glorification. Sanctification is part of what we are predestined to. Being conformed is part of sanctification.

 

[throughfaith]

Atonement is mentioned in the verses following. The basis of justification and glorification. Sanctification is part of what we are predestined to. Being conformed is part of sanctification.

Predestination is of existing saints to adoption/glorification, not sinners to conversion. (Eph. 1:5, 11; Rom. 8:23, 29-30)

 

[OIC1965]

Your avoiding the question by a boogeyman tactic . Could you show me a verse please without going to a scare tactic ?

It’s not a boogeyman tactic, Leighton Flowers Jr. if you think God didn’t know who He was going to regenerate beforehand, you are an open theist.

Verse. Acts 15:18

 

[OIC1965]

Predestination is of existing saints to adoption/glorification, not sinners to conversion. (Eph. 1:5, 11; Rom. 8:23, 29-30)

Where does Ephesians say predestination after conversion? It doesn’t

Where does Romans say predestination after conversion? It doesn’t

 

[OIC1965]

" Predestinate is what gods has chosen for believers" Yes thank you. This is what the bible teaches . FOR BELIEVERS not lost people.

God didn’t foreknow lost people, therefore He did not predestinate them. Whom He foreknew, He predestinated.

 

[throughfaith]

It’s not a boogeyman tactic, Leighton Flowers Jr. if you think God didn’t know who He was going to regenerate beforehand, you are an open theist.

Verse. Acts 15:18

I'm not interested in labels. Just pretend these ' boogeyman ' options don't exist and deal with the text . Otherwise you won't have an arguement against an open theist . Other than ' nah nah your an open theist " . To which he.ll thank you for that.

 

[throughfaith]

God didn’t foreknow lost people, therefore He did not predestinate them. Whom He foreknew, He predestinated.

He didn't know beforehand? according to your theories?

 

[OIC1965]

I'm not interested in labels. Just pretend these ' boogeyman ' options don't exist and deal with the text . Otherwise you won't have an arguement against an open theist . Other than ' nah nah your an open theist " . To which he.ll thank you for that.

Acts 15:18.

 

[OIC1965]

He didn't know beforehand? according to your theories?

Apparently, you do not know the meaning of foreknow. Or know for that matter.

When God said to Israel, you only have I known among the nations, that doesn’t mean He did not have knowledge of other nations, right?

 

[throughfaith]

Acts 15:18.

from the beginning of the world.

 

[throughfaith]

Apparently, you do not know the meaning of foreknow. Or know for that matter.

When God said to Israel, you only have I known among the nations, that doesn’t mean He did not have knowledge of other nations, right?

For Israel directly, God chose them specifically ,in time . So thats a silly question. Beforehand he previously was dealing with them . He knows them beforehand for all the reasons in context. I know my wife more than i do my neighbour.

 

[OIC1965]

from the beginning of the world.

from the beginning of the world.

This is the textus receptus of Acts 15:18.

γνωστὰ ἀπ᾽ αἰῶνος ἐστίν τῷ Θεῷ πάντα τὰ ἔργα αὑτοῦ

It says ἀπ᾽ αἰῶνος

Do you know the range of meanings for aion in Greek.

 

[OIC1965]

For Israel directly, God chose them specifically ,in time . So thats a silly question. Beforehand he previously was dealing with them . He knows them beforehand for all the reasons in context. I know my wife more than i do my neighbour.

My point was that the words "know" and "foreknow" are not merely referring to "having knowledge of". SO every question that assumes that meaning can be skipped from here on out, Ok.

 

[throughfaith]

This is the textus receptus of Acts 15:18.

γνωστὰ ἀπ᾽ αἰῶνος ἐστίν τῷ Θεῷ πάντα τὰ ἔργα αὑτοῦ

It says ἀπ᾽ αἰῶνος

Do you know the range of meanings for aion in Greek.

Why has the English translated it ' from ' ?

 

[throughfaith]

My point was that the words "know" and "foreknow" are not merely referring to "having knowledge of". SO every question that assumes that meaning can be skipped from here on out, Ok.

My point is that we are not known as a son ,prior to being in him . God did not know Israel prior to actually interacting with them . Same with us . We are not known ' in christ ' as a son until eph 1.12-13 happens .

 

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Why has the English translated it ' from ' ?

αιώνος does not mean from. The preposition από is what was translated from (correctly).

 

[OIC1965]

My point is that we are not known as a son ,prior to being in him . God did not know Israel prior to actually interacting with them . Same with us . We are not known ' in christ ' as a son until eph 1.12-13 happens .

Because foreknow is different than know. I’m going to leave you with that.

 

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more info on the word Aion btw.

G165 - aiōn - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV) (blueletterbible.org)

 

[throughfaith]

Because foreknow is different than know. I’m going to leave you with that.

rom 11
28¶As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Notice unbelieving Israel are the ' elect ' ? I would check the context of the usage of the word and not assume the calvinistic doctrine every time the buzz word appears .

 

[throughfaith]

Where does Ephesians say predestination after conversion? It doesn’t

Where does Romans say predestination after conversion? It doesn’t

Eph 1.5 . Paul is telling already saved believers in Christ that along with all the blessings that come in christ , is also that they are predestined to the adoption . This is not Paul telling those in christ that they were predestined to be converted . But rather to the Adoption ,WHICH HAS NOT HAPPENED YET .

Likewise in Romans . Even inspite of a tenuous connection to " oh were gradually being conformed to the image of christ day ,by day ,a little like Jesus every day " ..No the ' being conformed to his image is also referring to a future occurance . The Adoption. The blessed hope . whilst those who think they have been elected to be saved are spending their lives wondering if they are ( by their works ,) Those that understand the bible saying that Election is to service and purpose . Predestination is to the future Adoption have scripture for this ,and are resting on the promises of predestination being the Guranteed future glorification.