Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"
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No Chosen for something. This was chosen before, IN HIM ..
So we know that once IN HIM we recieve all the blessings IN CHRIST JESUS . Not " God chose us to get converted later because God saw something about us " theology.
Paul is talking to ALREADY saved saints . They are ALREADY predestined . This happened along with verse 3 . Paul is telling ALREADY saved people what happened AFTER
13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
They believed . AFTER not before.
Remember unless you became a proselyte they were strangers and without hope .
Paul is saying " 5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
This happened at verse 3 .
3¶Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: ( notice the two dots : )
The Spirit has been resurrected. Its seated in Heavenly places IN CHRIST JESUS . Ok from this position we are CHOSEN TO BE ..... From here we are predestined. Predestined to what ?
us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
We become a child through the new birth . As a child we still need the ADOPTION . what's that? Glad you asked . We have a verse ( notice i haven't gone outside the text into philosophy)
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Ok now you explain the text . I guarantee you will have to go into a philosophy about what took place ( supposedly) before the foundation of the world in God's mind. With no verse that says this .
So we know that once IN HIM we recieve all the blessings IN CHRIST JESUS . Not " God chose us to get converted later because God saw something about us " theology.
Paul is talking to ALREADY saved saints . They are ALREADY predestined . This happened along with verse 3 . Paul is telling ALREADY saved people what happened AFTER
13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
They believed . AFTER not before.
Remember unless you became a proselyte they were strangers and without hope .
Paul is saying " 5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
This happened at verse 3 .
3¶Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: ( notice the two dots : )
The Spirit has been resurrected. Its seated in Heavenly places IN CHRIST JESUS . Ok from this position we are CHOSEN TO BE ..... From here we are predestined. Predestined to what ?
us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
We become a child through the new birth . As a child we still need the ADOPTION . what's that? Glad you asked . We have a verse ( notice i haven't gone outside the text into philosophy)
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Ok now you explain the text . I guarantee you will have to go into a philosophy about what took place ( supposedly) before the foundation of the world in God's mind. With no verse that says this .
I went beyond one verse . Try that in the book of James " oh I just take what it says "
What I see is you reject God’s Foreknowledge and predestination as being before conversion ( even though they are listed before justification in Rom 8:29-30) without giving any reason to do so and without a scriptural basis for your rejection, and interpret every passage that deals with foreknowledge and predestination in a way that ensures that it fits inside the artificial box you created
You can keep your " in the mind of God " , Already not yet " I'm was a frozen chosen ' philosophy . Your in the Lordship trap .
Which is what you did in your “explanation”. Eisegesis.
I reject the theology / philosophy thats taught about what happened in the mind of God. I have no scriptural basis for believing i was chosen TO BE saved . My future Adoption i know has to occur because I'm in christ and now predestinated to my future Adoption .
You can keep your " in the mind of God " , Already not yet " I'm was a frozen chosen ' philosophy . Your in the Lordship trap .
You can keep your " in the mind of God " , Already not yet " I'm was a frozen chosen ' philosophy . Your in the Lordship trap .
I think were spinning wheels.. I found my way out of this theology when i studied the bible to see if the P in TULIP was scriptural. This study left me seeing all of TULIP was not scriptural . Then i could see how much Calvinsm is within other denominations and traditions. It takes quite a while to find your way out of the maze once your in .
Now you’re skipping down to a whole other chapter. But where did I say chosen to be converted? I said chosen in Him to be holy and blameless before Him in love. Which is what Paul said.
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
No i really believe this verse .
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Ephesians 5 is talking about what took place before time.
Salvation happens in time.
You can’t escape the words “ before the foundation of the world”.
Besides, God loved us before He saved us, right? And salvation is a result of His prevenient love, right?
Now you’re skipping down to a whole other chapter. But where did I say chosen to be converted? I said chosen in Him to be holy and blameless before Him in love. Which is what Paul said.
Who's Paul writing to ? unsaved people ? Is this Paul preaching to non believers ? No look they are ALREADY IN CHRIST JESUS .
3¶Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4According ....ACCORDING !!!!!!!!
Ok when did you get in Christ and how please?