Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

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throughfaith said:
People already existed. He chose a people out of people. Remember the whole Adam knew his wife , birds and the bees thing " dominion over the earth , multiply thing ?
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Question. Are you saved because you sought God or because He came for you.
 
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throughfaith said:
my eyes cannot read that lol sorry
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Yeah, sorry, it is an older one... I do try to keep the text as short as possible, so there is plenty of room for it to be large enough, plus, now I put the figure off to the side to give more room overall... basically, it is Isaiah 55:10-11~ As the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourish, so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater, so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
 
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No its clear God chooses people in real time . Like Abraham , Noah , Moses , Cornelius, Paul ect .
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Really? So He just plans on the fly? And He didn’t know what He would do through Paul and Moses, etc until it happened?

How could an omniscient God not know who He was going to choose beforehand?
 
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No its clear God chooses people in real time . Like Abraham , Noah , Moses , Cornelius, Paul ect .
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So He didn’t know who He would choose or how He would use those folks until they existed? Sounds kind of like how man chooses, not God.
 
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OIC1965 said:
So He didn’t know who He would choose or how He would use those folks until they existed? Sounds kind of like how man chooses, not God.
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Mark 6:6

“And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.
 
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Yeah, sorry, it is an older one... I do try to keep the text as short as possible, so there is plenty of room for it to be large enough, plus, now I put the figure off to the side to give more room overall... basically, it is Isaiah 55:10-11~ As the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourish, so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater, so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
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The bible is quick and powerful . Absolutely.
 
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He knows us before we are born?

Also, Galatians 1:15~ But when He Who had set me apart before I was born, and Who called me by his grace, ...
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Correct. And a prerequisite for being an apostle is being saved. So TF can’t say “ that’s just regarding ministry, nothing to do with salvation”.

If Paul was set apart to that ministry, it naturally follows that God foreknew Him as one of His eventual , if I may say it, converts.

We are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God, just like Peter said.
 
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OIC1965 said:
Correct. And a prerequisite for being an apostle is being saved. So TF can’t say “ that’s just regarding ministry, nothing to do with salvation”.

If Paul was set apart to that ministry, it naturally follows that God foreknew Him as one of His eventual , if I may say it, converts.

We are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God, just like Peter said.
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Foreknowledge before conversion.
 
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He knows us before we are born?

Also, Galatians 1:15~ But when He Who had set me apart before I was born, and Who called me by His grace, ...
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15¶But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

FROM . not before the foundation of the world . And then the inductive method question, are you Paul ?
 
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OIC1965 said:
Correct. And a prerequisite for being an apostle is being saved. So TF can’t say “ that’s just regarding ministry, nothing to do with salvation”.

If Paul was set apart to that ministry, it naturally follows that God foreknew Him as one of His eventual , if I may say it, converts.

We are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God, just like Peter said.
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15¶But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel chosen before the foundation...erm no ...unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
 
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throughfaith said:
15¶But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

FROM . not before the foundation of the world . And then the inductive method question, are you Paul ?
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So God has to wait till you’re conceived to choose you? Well, you’re getting closer.

And no she is not Paul, but she was known and loved before she was born too. And before the foundation of the world.

God is not man. He is not limited by time. He knew us before time. We’re not talking’ bout Zeus here.
 
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throughfaith said:
15¶But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel chosen before the foundation...erm no ...unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
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Just because the phrase from the foundation is not there, that doesn’t mean anything.

God didn’t say “ I am that I am before the foundation of the world” either.

But He WAS!!
 
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OIC1965 said:
So God has to wait till you’re conceived to choose you? Well, you’re getting closer.

And no she is not Paul, but she was known and loved before she was born too. And before the foundation of the world.

God is not man. He is not limited by time. He knew us before time. We’re not talking’ bout Zeuss here.
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This is the problem. Poor bible hermanutics . Are you Paul ? Are you Moses ? Are you Elijha? ALL CHOSEN in time for a purpose .
Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)
 
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OIC1965 said:
Just because the phrase from the foundation is not there, that doesn’t mean anything.

God didn’t say “ I am that I am before the foundation of the world” either.

But He WAS!!
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I realise this is how you approach the bible. " the doesn't say we CANT pray to Mary "
 
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