Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

[OIC1965]

Blessings only come IN HIM when did you GET IN HIM ? This is the ENTIRE point ADOPTION has happened.

So you were in Him before the foundation of the world. Eph. 1:4-5?!!

 

[OIC1965]

1¶Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
Who's Paul writing to ? unsaved people ? Is this Paul preaching to non believers ? No look they are ALREADY IN CHRIST JESUS .

3¶Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According ....ACCORDING !!!!!!!!

Ok when did you get in Christ and how please?

We have already discussed the various uses of the preposition “in”. Did you forget?

 

[throughfaith]

So you were in Him before the foundation of the world. Eph. 1:4-5?!!

Read eph 2.12
No not in any sense whatsoever.

 

[OIC1965]

Read eph 2.12
No not in any sense whatsoever.

But He chose you before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:4-5.

 

[OIC1965]

1¶Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
Who's Paul writing to ? unsaved people ? Is this Paul preaching to non believers ? No look they are ALREADY IN CHRIST JESUS .

3¶Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According ....ACCORDING !!!!!!!!

Ok when did you get in Christ and how please?

According means “ in accordance with” or in agreement with. He blessed us with all spiritual blessings in Christ in accordance with the fact that He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world.

the choosing is the cause of the blessings.

 

[throughfaith]

We have already discussed the various uses of the preposition “in”. Did you forget?

Yes you have the text book calvinst response .

 

[OIC1965]

Yes you have the text book calvinst response .

No. The Greek New Testament response

check this. According means in accordance with, right. So God has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in accordance with the fact that He chose us.

In accordance indicates that the things that accord follow and proceed from what they are in accordance with.

In other words, the blessings flow from the election. Just as the blessings of Israel flowed from Gods election of her.

According is an important word indeed

 

[throughfaith]

No. The Greek New Testament response

check this. According means in accordance with, right. So God has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in accordance with the fact that He chose us.

In accordance indicates that the things that accord follow and proceed from what they are in accordance with.

In other words, the blessings flow from the election. Just as the blessings of Israel flowed from Gods election of her.

According is an important word indeed

Israel was Chosen not before they existed . The blessings were conditioned upon certain requirements and they came in real time .God chose that all those in Him would be blessed with all spiritual blessings in christ Jesus. No one has ever been blessed before they exist .its always after they are born .

 

[throughfaith]

According means “ in accordance with” or in agreement with. He blessed us with all spiritual blessings in Christ in accordance with the fact that He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world.

the choosing is the cause of the blessings.

Mark 6:6

“And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.”

Why is Jesus marvelling at their unbelief? Doesn't he know that surely they have not been chosen to be saved ? Is Jesus confused?

 

[OIC1965]

Israel was Chosen not before they existed . The blessings were conditioned upon certain requirements and they came in real time .God chose that all those in Him would be blessed with all spiritual blessings in christ Jesus. No one has ever been blessed before they exist .its always after they are born .

Israel was chosen before they existed due to God’s covenant with the Fathers, sir.

No one has ever been blessed with the blessings listed in Ephesians 1 before they were chosen. And that includes forgiveness and sealing of the Spirit. All of these things spring from/are according to what Ephesians 1:4 states.

That is what according means. All of these things, forgiveness, redemption, reconciliation, sealing, adoption, inheritance, all are ACCORDING TO whatEphesians 1:4 says.

Look up according.

 

[throughfaith]

No. The Greek New Testament response

check this. According means in accordance with, right. So God has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in accordance with the fact that He chose us.

In accordance indicates that the things that accord follow and proceed from what they are in accordance with.

In other words, the blessings flow from the election. Just as the blessings of Israel flowed from Gods election of her.

According is an important word indeed

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Why is God commanding ALL to repent knowing full well they can't because he never chose ALL to be saved in his mind ?

Acts 11
17Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

18¶When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life'.

Why doesn't this verse say'Then hath God also to only some chosen to be saved Gentiles granted repentance unto life ?

 

[OIC1965]

Mark 6:6

“And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.”

Why is Jesus marvelling at their unbelief? Doesn't he know that surely they have not been chosen to be saved ? Is Jesus confused?

Oh, but you always say...

“That was before the cross”

So I’ll use your own argument against you.

 

[throughfaith]

Israel was chosen before they existed due to God’s covenant with the Fathers, sir.

No one has ever been blessed with the blessings listed in Ephesians 1 before they were chosen. And that includes forgiveness and sealing of the Spirit. All of these things spring from/are according to what Ephesians 1:4 states.

That is what according means. All of these things, forgiveness, redemption, reconciliation, sealing, adoption, inheritance, all are ACCORDING TO whatEphesians 1:4 says.

Look up according.

People already existed. He chose a people out of people. Remember the whole Adam knew his wife , birds and the bees thing " dominion over the earth , multiply thing ?

 

[OIC1965]

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Why is God commanding ALL to repent knowing full well they can't because he never chose ALL to be saved in his mind ?

Acts 11
17Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

18¶When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life'.

Why doesn't this verse say'Then hath God also to only some chosen to be saved Gentiles granted repentance unto life ?

I’m neither a Calvinist nor a universalist. Remember? Everyone who wills can be saved. The will is what gets in most people’s way. Their own will.

 

[OIC1965]

People already existed. He chose a people out of people. Remember the whole Adam knew his wife , birds and the bees thing " dominion over the earth , multiply thing ?

So God needs people to choose people, because He’s limited. I mean He’d have to be God to be able to do that.

 

[OIC1965]

People already existed. He chose a people out of people. Remember the whole Adam knew his wife , birds and the bees thing " dominion over the earth , multiply thing ?

So you are attributing to God some kind of inability? Or what?

 

[Magenta]

What would having something in God's mind have to do with anything? Unless you are saying God has determined everything to happen .

 

[throughfaith]

Oh, but you always say...

“That was before the cross”

So I’ll use your own argument against you.

So no one was saved before the cross?
Why is he marvelling? Should he not realise God hasn't chosen some to salvation ? Doesn't Jesus know ?

 

[throughfaith]

my eyes cannot read that lol sorry

 

[throughfaith]

So you are attributing to God some kind of inability? Or what?

You have a strange ability to repeat back things i don't say ?