Love your enemies.

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charisenexcelcis

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Love is only possible within Christ, because God was in Christ reconcilling the world back to Him, for 'God is love'.

If you say that love exists outside His body, you do not understand love, i.e. "Hereby percieve we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us (Christians); and we ought to lay down our live for the brethren adelphos, do you know what brethren means? The Greek means 'connective particle' from delphus which means womb, lit. relation from the womb - brethren.

In no way does John or any other Apostle speak of loving the enemies of Christ, antiChrists, love for antiChrists would be a sin against the holy Spirit.

Now where does love come from? John says the source of love is God, and you do not know love unless you know God, the love of God is manifest toward Christians, it is a gift to be shared amongst brethren;
"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ IS BORN OF GOD" Let me repeat that "WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST IS BORN (gennao) OF GOD" That means literally concieved by God, born, begat, brought forth, procreate, bear, born, GOD brought ye forth, He delivered you, He begat you! A Christian is born of God, which make other Christians - 'brethren', related by birth to God!

Now Jesus says there can be NO division in the body of Christ, John says he that loveth God is born of God, he that does not have the Son, is not of God, he does not have the Father, and there is no love in him, neither truth, if there was he would recieve the gospel of salvation, for he knoweth and loveth God, and he hears God and follows, the sheep know the voice of the shepherd, and the Great Shepherd knows His sheep that belong to Him, and He finds them and loses none.

"Whosoever shall CONFESS THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us (brethren), God is love, and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him." 1. John 4:16

No love exists outside the body of the Son of God, love of God dwelleth in the heart of the believer, a non-believer hath not the love of God, love only exists between the connective parts of His body, God extends His love to those that are born of Him.
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One more example of your twisting of scripture--the scripture says that everyon who knows God, know love. It doesn't say that everyone who doesn't know God, doesn't know love. "For God so loved the world (the same kosmos that you translate at time as the worldly system) that he gave his only begotten Son." What you need to do is to figure out the difference between agape and phileo.
 
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The hot coals that are poured on the enemy is the LOVE of God so that by your prayers for them they can turn to the Lord. Your to pray for them with a true heart of love.
 
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I think the audience of the Bible was meant to be everybody throughout all time.
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we always gotta consider the context when considering what commands we think apply to us
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
One more example of your twisting of scripture--the scripture says that everyon who knows God, know love. It doesn't say that everyone who doesn't know God, doesn't know love.
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It says that exactly, if you do not know God,you do not know love, because God is love, thats just basic logic, your argument is unreasonable. Scripture tells us that very clearly if you cannot understand it there is no way I can explain it any simpler than what John has.

"For God so loved the world (the same kosmos that you translate at time as the worldly system) that he gave his only begotten Son." What you need to do is to figure out the difference between agape and phileo.
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Firstly it is agapao the verb which means to 'regard with favour'. Secondly kosmos or 'order' , 'arrangement' translated in the LXX for Heb. word 'ornament', well ask yourself, is this the same arrangement of order that John tells us to hate? Because you suggest contradiction because you take 'world' to mean this one sphere of Earth, and kosmos does not mean that, it means order, and ther are differentorders and arrangements, God refers to His arrangement, His order, obviously this would be different to a secular order or a satanic order, for example I may say 'my world, is different to your world', do you understand the difference?
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Love evreyone just as God loves you. Vengence is the Lords.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin said:
It says that exactly, if you do not know God,you do not know love, because God is love, thats just basic logic, your argument is unreasonable. Scripture tells us that very clearly if you cannot understand it there is no way I can explain it any simpler than what John has.



Firstly it is agapao the verb which means to 'regard with favour'. Secondly kosmos or 'order' , 'arrangement' translated in the LXX for Heb. word 'ornament', well ask yourself, is this the same arrangement of order that John tells us to hate? Because you suggest contradiction because you take 'world' to mean this one sphere of Earth, and kosmos does not mean that, it means order, and ther are differentorders and arrangements, God refers to His arrangement, His order, obviously this would be different to a secular order or a satanic order, for example I may say 'my world, is different to your world', do you understand the difference?
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Again, it says that he that does not love does not know God, but not that the one who does not know God, does not know love. Second, you don't know enough Greek to tell the difference between the noun form and the verb. Third, your crazy etimological interpretation of kosmos changes according to what view suits you. I'm done with you. I think you are anathema.
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If your talking to me you better back off. God bless you very much.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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loveschild said:
If your talking to me you better back off. God bless you very much.
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I'm not. I think we agree on this one and I doubt that you could ever be as stubborn as Cup. Or come as close to the edge.
 
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Again, it says that he that does not love does not know God, but not that the one who does not know God, does not know love.
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Definition of love;

"He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for God is love."

= No God, No love, God is love, if you don't have God, how can you love? You cannot, why, because without God who is love, there is no love, there would be an absence of love without the presence of the spirit of God "In this was manifested the love of God toward us (christians)"...."We love Him because He loved us first".

Second, you don't know enough Greek to tell the difference between the noun form and the verb.
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agapao - Verb. = to regard with favour.

Third, your crazy etimological interpretation of kosmos changes according to what view suits you. I'm done with you. I think you are anathema.
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kosmos - orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration, adornment.
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greatkraw said:
we always gotta consider the context when considering what commands we think apply to us
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I find that confusing. There is the “pick and choose” crowd who obeys the easy commands and disregards the difficult commands. You aren’t one of them, are you?
 
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Mar 8:34 And calling the crowd to him with his disciples, he said to them, "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
Many of Christ's commands are pure insanity. Insanity to the flesh. We cannot, in human strength, accomplish what Christ has commanded. We need his ability and his strength to accomplish it.
Picture this, you're out of money and you've just been sued, you have very little left. What did Christ say?
Mat 5:40 And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.
What? are you crazy? that's all I have! I can't do that!
In order to do what Christ commanded, you have to accept his commands by faith, trusting in him to make up for the lack.

Why would Christ in one breath say to take up our cross, and in another breath say I came to give an exceedingly abundant life?
Because the cross, and Christ's commands, are there to destroy the flesh, in order that the spirit may live exceedingly abundantly.
Spirit and flesh cannot coexist peacefully.
Gal 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.
Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
 
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Gods word wasn't made to be confusing. It's simple for those who wish to understand it. You dont need a degree in Greek to figure out what this means, you just have to be humble.
 
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resurrection33 said:
I find that confusing. There is the “pick and choose” crowd who obeys the easy commands and disregards the difficult commands. You aren’t one of them, are you?
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if you wanna buy into every command you better start sacrificing animals
 
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greatkraw said:
if you wanna buy into every command you better start sacrificing animals
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Yes, I agree.

However, I have trouble when people say Paul was talking to this audience or that audience, and they pick and choose which of his teachings they have to obey and which they don’t.
 
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even though we should love and pray for our enemies we cannot forgive them untill they repent else we would be provoking them to keep on sinning.
 
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"we canot forgive them until they repent"?

the bible tells us to forgive again and again and again

meaning: BEFORE they repent
 
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sword said:
even though we should love and pray for our enemies we cannot forgive them untill they repent else we would be provoking them to keep on sinning.
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Jesus on the cross forgave without anyone having repented. Shouldn't that be an example?
 
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wwjd_kilden said:
"we canot forgive them until they repent"?

the bible tells us to forgive again and again and again

meaning: BEFORE they repent
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This is incorrect, we have examples in the Bible of law breakers sinning against the holy law of God and not being forgiven, we should all remember that all will not be forgiven, sin against the holy Spirit sent by Jesus will not be forgiven, rejection of Christ will **** you to Hell so all is not forgiven, if ye were far off and not believing, then be believing ye have repented (change of mind). What is sin? sin is transgression of the law 1 John 3:4, how can the actions of Satan be forgiven? They are not forgiven Revelation 20:10.
 
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