Luke 12:47 does this mean we'll be beaten in heaven?
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Agreed; Scripture tells us:
"Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God." (Romans 8:1-8, NASB, emphasis mine)
I think people read too deeply into the term "servant", not realizing what the entire parable entails is that in the it, all the servants are subject to their master and cannot escape it. In likewise stead, all mankind is subject to the Lord Jesus Christ and cannot escape His judgment. And with that in mind, the Lord is letting folks know that punishment for those who rebelled against Him is not going to be "one size fits all"; after all, righteousness and justice are the foundation of God's throne (Ps. 89:14), and to punish everyone with the exact same level when their offenses and knowledge vary would not be just.
God is not some vindictive tyrant waiting to beat a human being to a bloody pulp and then raise His foot to smash them into the tiled floor of His Throne room; that's not the God of the Bible. Otherwise, Christ's blood didn't save anyone from sin. Is the Lord Jesus serious at the Bema Seat when He judges us? Yes, He is, and we will receive or lose rewards as He deems.
But He's not going to pummel us into ground beef; that's Satan whispering in our ears, trying to make us all doubt the Lord's mercy, grace and love.
-Sojo414
"Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God." (Romans 8:1-8, NASB, emphasis mine)
I think people read too deeply into the term "servant", not realizing what the entire parable entails is that in the it, all the servants are subject to their master and cannot escape it. In likewise stead, all mankind is subject to the Lord Jesus Christ and cannot escape His judgment. And with that in mind, the Lord is letting folks know that punishment for those who rebelled against Him is not going to be "one size fits all"; after all, righteousness and justice are the foundation of God's throne (Ps. 89:14), and to punish everyone with the exact same level when their offenses and knowledge vary would not be just.
God is not some vindictive tyrant waiting to beat a human being to a bloody pulp and then raise His foot to smash them into the tiled floor of His Throne room; that's not the God of the Bible. Otherwise, Christ's blood didn't save anyone from sin. Is the Lord Jesus serious at the Bema Seat when He judges us? Yes, He is, and we will receive or lose rewards as He deems.
But He's not going to pummel us into ground beef; that's Satan whispering in our ears, trying to make us all doubt the Lord's mercy, grace and love.
-Sojo414
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Well, yes, though I am looking at it more like the whole chapter. If the OP would care for to expand the subject to the whole chapter, it would maybe answer it more fully. Nevertheless to be brief. The chapter is basically about seeking and then holding on to the faith in Jesus until the end when Jesus returns (for remember Jesus is the Word of God born of the Virgin, Lived, Ministered, Crucified, Resurrected, and very improtantly, Ascended Into Heaven. Well he will return. Jesus expounds on this much all the chapter bringing us to the portion about the various types of evil servants after Peter asks Jesus if he is speaking in parables to them. Jesus concludes with his purpose in being sent by God both at that time and when he returns at the End of Days to kill Satan and his whole army by the power of his Almighty and Glistering Sword, in Jesus name, amen!
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The Jews knew because they had His Word. They were to reach the other nations, yet the leaders were lost unbelievers. They were worthy of greater punishment than the unbelieving gentiles.
This is God's salvation to all.
"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
John 6
This is God's salvation to all.
"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
John 6
Did we miss your birthday? .
Ill probly be claiming to just be entering my seventies , until at least seventy five or seventy six i figger lol if the lord hasn’t brung me home yet
“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, ( ive heard and believe the promises too like you have ) and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
Hebrews 11:13-14, 16
on one hand getting old is sad on the other it’s exciting to know sometime soon maybe in the next few years ll I’ve heard in scripture and believe will be put to the test
“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
Hebrews 12:22-24 KJV
Those things the Bible says about the end of our earthly life is a bit scary as you know your approaching it inevitably but also a lot exciting because of some things I do believe will happen that day
a lol sorry birthday talk gets me thinking of mortality haha I got issues sister
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Oh, no! No need to apologize, as I think it is pretty normal to realistically start facing our mortality more
and more as we age, and I am no stranger to that either, especially after a dear friend of mine passed away
just over a month ago. She and I had some very similar serious health issues, though she was not as willing
to do follow ups and keep appointments, and I am not entirely sure why that is, and wonder if it was simply
because she did not drive, but that cannot be it, either. We spoke fairly often on the phone, as we were
thousands of miles apart geographically, and I am still in touch with her younger sister, who was my
best friend through most of high school! I am fairly certain their mom prayed for my salvation for
decades, and I did make a point after I was saved to visit with her when I was back at some point,
just to let her know that that miracle had finally happened in my life .
and more as we age, and I am no stranger to that either, especially after a dear friend of mine passed away
just over a month ago. She and I had some very similar serious health issues, though she was not as willing
to do follow ups and keep appointments, and I am not entirely sure why that is, and wonder if it was simply
because she did not drive, but that cannot be it, either. We spoke fairly often on the phone, as we were
thousands of miles apart geographically, and I am still in touch with her younger sister, who was my
best friend through most of high school! I am fairly certain their mom prayed for my salvation for
decades, and I did make a point after I was saved to visit with her when I was back at some point,
just to let her know that that miracle had finally happened in my life .
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Thanks JohnB. That reminds me of the verse: "And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday:" it is very good to help people in small ways and it is amazing to see how little things like that can have wonderful results! It is also good to remember that people need spiritual food and drink ultimately. Jesus said: "Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." When we look at the statement "For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me." we see that it is describing more than only physical things. For example, by sharing the gospel a person may hear it and be converted, whereas once they were naked (meaning not clothed with Christ's righteousness) they can now become clothed with Christ because of what he did for them. Similarly, those who are thirsty for salvation may drink of the gospel, the waters of life :"Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price."
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The Israelites were called the Lord’s servants, but they were not all saved:
Isaiah 43:10 - "You are My witnesses, says the Lord," And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. (Israel vs. 1)
Leviticus 25:55 - For the children of Israel are servants to Me; they are My servants whom I brought out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God. *Yet God later destroyed those who did not believe. (Jude 1:5)
Nehemiah 1:6 - please let Your ear be attentive and Your eyes open, that You may hear the prayer of Your servant which I pray before You now, day and night, for the children of Israel Your servants, and confess the sins of the children of Israel which we have sinned against You.
Isaiah 43:10 - "You are My witnesses, says the Lord," And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. (Israel vs. 1)
Leviticus 25:55 - For the children of Israel are servants to Me; they are My servants whom I brought out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God. *Yet God later destroyed those who did not believe. (Jude 1:5)
Nehemiah 1:6 - please let Your ear be attentive and Your eyes open, that You may hear the prayer of Your servant which I pray before You now, day and night, for the children of Israel Your servants, and confess the sins of the children of Israel which we have sinned against You.
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