Making a case for women in leadership

[Dino246]

I know your point but it's safe to see that, if Jesus did not consider equality with God as something to be apprehended then equality with one another was also not important.

I believe we are to understand the uniqueness of everyone in Christ, to know them by their spirit and to know their place in the Body of Christ. Being unique eliminates any discussion about equality because there is no one who may rightfully take another's gifts or callings: they are without revocation.

The Spirit move all in Christ to oneness, which is to see each one as vital to the whole regardless of ability, station, or measure of grace.

Miss the point much? Was my comment made in the context of every Christian, or of something else?

 

[TomCullen]

Scripture doesn’t say, “Let the women be silent” anywhere.

Pay more careful attention and stop manipulating the text for your agenda.

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

1 Corinthians

I'm not the one with the agenda here. I simply read the word of God and agree with it.​

 

[Aaron56]

Miss the point much? Was my comment made in the context of every Christian, or of something else?

Your condescension is noted.

Since the record of Adam and Woman (and the standard of marriage) is in most Bibles, your use of "equal" was universally understood. And not only did I not miss the point, I was able to elicit a response from you that shows you are unable to have a reasonable discussion about this topic. I don't know why this topic is so connected to the heart of your soul but you should look into it.

 

[Dino246]

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. What? came the word of God out from you? or came it …​

Now, show the verse in the law to which Paul was referring.

Hint… there isn’t one. That means those aren’t Paul’s words.​

 

[Dino246]

Your condescension is noted.

Since the record of Adam and Woman (and the standard of marriage) is in most Bibles, your use of "equal" was universally understood. And not only did I not miss the point, I was able to elicit a response from you that shows you are unable to have a reasonable discussion about this topic. I don't know why this topic is so connected to the heart of your soul but you should look into it.

There was no condescension, just an observation that your comment did not connect to mine in any rational way, because you took my two words completely out of their context and reacted to them as though they fairly represent the totality of my position.

Like I said, you missed the point. Twice now.

Instead of throwing insults when you’re called out for your error, look at the statements more closely.

 

[TomCullen]

Now, show the verse in the law to which Paul was referring.

Hint… there isn’t one. That means those aren’t Paul’s words.​

You've got issues. I'll let someone else deal with them. Have a nice day.

 

[tourist]

Jesus never spoke about a lot of things. But the rest of scripture speaks quite clearly. Again, if you want to be taught by a woman, go right ahead. No one is stopping you.

My wife has taught me a lot in my husband training regimen.

 

[HeIsHere]

Now, show the verse in the law to which Paul was referring.

Hint… there isn’t one. That means those aren’t Paul’s words.​

I think that happens a lot, people do another realize the writer is responding to an interlocutor, this happens as well with the letters written by James.

 

[HeIsHere]

I think that happens a lot, people do another realize the writer is responding to an interlocutor, this happens as well with the letters written by James.

that would be *do not* realize

 

[sawdust]

This is a classic case of circular reasoning.

This is a classic case of making excuses without reasonable argument.

 

[TomCullen]

My wife has taught me a lot in my husband training regimen.

Yes indeed, there is much to be learned from our experiences with women.

 

[Aaron56]

There was no condescension, just an observation that your comment did not connect to mine in any rational way, because you took my two words completely out of their context and reacted to them as though they fairly represent the totality of my position.

Like I said, you missed the point. Twice now.

Instead of throwing insults when you’re called out for your error, look at the statements more closely.

Perhaps I should have asked a clarifying question.

Can you explain what you meant by this:

Eve’s place is beside Adam, not as a subservient assistant but as a strong and equal partner.

Did you NOT mean that Eve's equality with Adam is important even though Christ did not think equality with God was something to be grasped?

 

[sawdust]

Scripture doesn't say anywhere that women may not have spiritual authority. Scripture does show a woman teaching a man. Scripture nowhere precludes women from the role of pastor-teacher. People just think it does because they aren't rigorous in examining the text, the context, and the implications of a particular interpretation.

Name one female pastor/teacher in the NT in charge of a congregation and not simply a woman as part of a husband/wife team teaching an individual.

What and why others think, I don't presume to know. I know why I think God does not delegate the office of pastor/teacher to women. For one thing, I'd like to see how a female pastor is going to be the husband of one wife. 1 Tim.2 sets out how male and female should conduct themselves within the context of the wider church, not simply within the home. Paul can use the analogy of husband and wife because it forms the basis of a workable system the Lord set up from the beginning where each has their role in accordance with God's design.

 

[NightTwister]

Now, show the verse in the law to which Paul was referring.

Hint… there isn’t one. That means those aren’t Paul’s words.​

Hint... All of the words in the Bible are Jesus' words.

 

[Dino246]

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You've got issues. I'll let someone else deal with them. Have a nice day.

The only issue I have is people claiming Scripture says something that it can’t be saying. This normally happens when people don’t consider all the relevant evidence but rely on out-of context verses.

 

[Dino246]

Hint... All of the words in the Bible are Jesus' words.

That’s the usual argument, but it doesn’t hold water here. Like I challenged Tom Cullen, show the verse in the law to which “Paul” was referring.

 

[NightTwister]

That’s the usual argument, but it doesn’t hold water here. Like I challenged Tom Cullen, show the verse in the law to which “Paul” was referring.

It holds water everywhere, except with you.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. - John 1:1 ESV
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, - 2 Timothy 3:16 ESV

 

[tourist]

Yes indeed, there is much to be learned from our experiences with women.

Absolutely.

 

[tourist]

Hint... All of the words in the Bible are Jesus' words.

Maybe the Holy Spirits words too.

 

[Blain]

It holds water everywhere, except with you.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. - John 1:1 ESV
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, - 2 Timothy 3:16 ESV

yes but our understanding of it is the issue and also translation comes into play as well.
When Jesus spoke he never once mentioned the issues we are talking about and if every word is the word of God then why does the king james speak the word hell when no other translation does? not to mention the original texts don't either. so what if we are reading the scriptures in a deluded lens?

So while yes every word is spoken by the spirit our understanding of it would make it say something it isn't. if you take just a single verse out of context it messes everything else up and in this case we cannot take puals words out of context we have to understand the whole chapter then understand that the rest of God's word is related to it like how he made a women a judge or women proiphesying preaching the gospel even teaching all this was done in the bible so clearly Paul was speaking of something else