Man's dominion over earth
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Well yes of coarse I do. Is He not with Absolute Authority over all His creation? Is there one thing that happens that isnt under His view? What does "God" mean? Is He impotant? Are is His hands tied? Satan has a given position in a system under Gods limits and authority.
Lets talk about it more if you would like. The honor and glory of God
is at stake here and holy writ.
Lets talk about it more if you would like. The honor and glory of God
is at stake here and holy writ.
Do you not believe this verse?
1 John 5:20) (ESV) We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
I cannot begin to understand that mindset....
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God loves people who OBEY His commandments, not the ones who oppress, rape and torture His children. those people God hates. its says so in the Bible multiple times.
It is not that He commissions Satan to tortures them. He withdraws His protection and Satan does what he wants with those not under God's protection.
Sometimes Satan gives them worldly wealth by taking it from others and oppressing them to bribe his lackeys into doing his dirty work. that is normally the demonic, worldly system set up in such manner.
Demonic inspired questions and statements like:
"I'll help you if you can tell me what you can do for me."
"Its Karma man: good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people. so if something bad is happening to them then it must be due to past bad karma"
this is shown as a lie, for Jesus had not "bad karma" yet died and suffered on the cross for the sins of the world so that they may be saved and made right again with God if they but believe the TRUTH and turn from the lies and to the Almighty God who loves them very much that He sent His ONLY Begotten son to die on the cross and be raised again and has ascended into Heaven. Praise Your Holy Name, thank YOU JESUS!
ok, i'm done with my rant for now. need tea, throat sore..
you can have a cup too Toby Will you pray for my sore throat when you get a chance?
It is not that He commissions Satan to tortures them. He withdraws His protection and Satan does what he wants with those not under God's protection.
Sometimes Satan gives them worldly wealth by taking it from others and oppressing them to bribe his lackeys into doing his dirty work. that is normally the demonic, worldly system set up in such manner.
Demonic inspired questions and statements like:
"I'll help you if you can tell me what you can do for me."
"Its Karma man: good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people. so if something bad is happening to them then it must be due to past bad karma"
this is shown as a lie, for Jesus had not "bad karma" yet died and suffered on the cross for the sins of the world so that they may be saved and made right again with God if they but believe the TRUTH and turn from the lies and to the Almighty God who loves them very much that He sent His ONLY Begotten son to die on the cross and be raised again and has ascended into Heaven. Praise Your Holy Name, thank YOU JESUS!
ok, i'm done with my rant for now. need tea, throat sore..
you can have a cup too Toby
Will you pray for my sore throat when you get a chance?
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First the devil cant kill anyone. And he does not have free will to do as he pleases. If he does
then i havnt seen scripture that he does without using people as means and with Gods authorization.
whom you yield yourself servants to obey is your master....yes he has some power over the
unregenerate and has made himself systems and such....known as the world...not the earth.
By the way did you know mankind was a cursed race? by God. Life is no picnic did you think it
was a cursed picnic?
There is not a thing that happens in the universe that wasnt decreed according to His good will and pleasure
and fixed and foreordained from before creation. Of coarse you dont understand. But calling it a mindset...
i dont understand. If you want to think that God hasnt decreed all things....than He is not God.
If by that you think God causes all things ...no, man has responsibility for his actions. What God
allows is His call...but He nevertheless allows it or it would never happen.
First the devil cant kill anyone. And he does not have free will to do as he pleases. If he does
then i havnt seen scripture that he does without using people as means and with Gods authorization.
whom you yield yourself servants to obey is your master....yes he has some power over the
unregenerate and has made himself systems and such....known as the world...not the earth.
By the way did you know mankind was a cursed race? by God. Life is no picnic did you think it
was a cursed picnic?
There is not a thing that happens in the universe that wasnt decreed according to His good will and pleasure
and fixed and foreordained from before creation. Of coarse you dont understand. But calling it a mindset...
i dont understand. If you want to think that God hasnt decreed all things....than He is not God.
If by that you think God causes all things ...no, man has responsibility for his actions. What God
allows is His call...but He nevertheless allows it or it would never happen.
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god of this world does not mean dominion. besides adam was given dominion over the lower life on earth
to eat, to till...etc. these were not powers over people. satan has limited powers over the fallen world...
its part of the curse. God has full authority over the limited control satan has and satan answers to God.
Mankind still has dominion...its just a cursed dominion. Creatures are in bondage also in the curse, and the ground is also cursed. That was the limits of Adams dominion.
to eat, to till...etc. these were not powers over people. satan has limited powers over the fallen world...
its part of the curse. God has full authority over the limited control satan has and satan answers to God.
Mankind still has dominion...its just a cursed dominion. Creatures are in bondage also in the curse, and the ground is also cursed. That was the limits of Adams dominion.
The hell he can't. John 10:10, 1 Pet 5:8, Heb 2:14.
He is the god of this world. 1 Pet 5:8.
Yes, he generally uses people. But he does not need God's "authorization" to do it.
The world is cursed by the devil, not God. The curse is a result of Adam's sin, which delivered dominion of the earth to the devil.
Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him [ satan ] who hath subjected the same in hope,
So you believe the fall was decreed by God? It was God's will that Adam NOT sin.
Why are we to pray for God's will to be done if it's everything that happens is "decreed" by Him anyway?
I submit that you're the one who doesn't understand that spiritual war that is going on.
God did not "decree" that 9/11 happen, or that my baby sister die of cancer at 1 1/2 years old, or any evil. God is not evil, He does not "decree" evil, He does not "approve" evil, He does not "authorize" evil.
He cannot not "allow" it because man has free will. So does the devil. The devil is at absolute odds with God.
There is a day coming when Christ will return and take control of things. But that has not happened yet. In the meantime, it's war. In this world, to the extent we believe what we are in Christ, and use what God has given us, we are victorious. Stand against the devil, resist the devil, and he will flee. If we do not resist, we can succumb to his fiery darts.
God is NOT in absolute control of everything that happens in this age.
He is the god of this world. 1 Pet 5:8.
Yes, he generally uses people. But he does not need God's "authorization" to do it.
The world is cursed by the devil, not God. The curse is a result of Adam's sin, which delivered dominion of the earth to the devil.
Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him [ satan ] who hath subjected the same in hope,
So you believe the fall was decreed by God? It was God's will that Adam NOT sin.
Why are we to pray for God's will to be done if it's everything that happens is "decreed" by Him anyway?
I submit that you're the one who doesn't understand that spiritual war that is going on.
God did not "decree" that 9/11 happen, or that my baby sister die of cancer at 1 1/2 years old, or any evil. God is not evil, He does not "decree" evil, He does not "approve" evil, He does not "authorize" evil.
He cannot not "allow" it because man has free will. So does the devil. The devil is at absolute odds with God.
There is a day coming when Christ will return and take control of things. But that has not happened yet. In the meantime, it's war. In this world, to the extent we believe what we are in Christ, and use what God has given us, we are victorious. Stand against the devil, resist the devil, and he will flee. If we do not resist, we can succumb to his fiery darts.
God is NOT in absolute control of everything that happens in this age.
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Then we need a different name for Him...since He isnt God.
And your adam gave satan dominion is a lie made up to push WOF and other false teachings.
Sorry i wont even ask you to prove it biblically ...because you cant.....and if need be i can easily
debunk in in every way in any part of scripture...with all do respect.
Then we need a different name for Him...since He isnt God.
And your adam gave satan dominion is a lie made up to push WOF and other false teachings.
Sorry i wont even ask you to prove it biblically ...because you cant.....and if need be i can easily
debunk in in every way in any part of scripture...with all do respect.
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Something to think about. If a person was a new christian and studied the bible
on their own....it would be impossible to come up with the idea that Adam gave
dominion to satan. Satan surely has a role in the world, but if studied alone it
wouldnt take you as far as modern teachings have implied. With all the corrupt
unbiblically based teachings that follow this pagan world view.
on their own....it would be impossible to come up with the idea that Adam gave
dominion to satan. Satan surely has a role in the world, but if studied alone it
wouldnt take you as far as modern teachings have implied. With all the corrupt
unbiblically based teachings that follow this pagan world view.
He most certainly is.
Do you mean the bible? See the verses previously referenced.
Can. And did. Please see verses previously referenced. Not to mention just TAKE A LOOK AROUND YOU. If God, who IS love, was in control of everything that happens, most of the crap that happens in the world today wouldn't.
By quoting OT scriptures, no doubt, BEFORE Jesus Christ made known the spiritual war we are in.
..with all due respect...
Do you mean the bible? See the verses previously referenced.
Can. And did. Please see verses previously referenced. Not to mention just TAKE A LOOK AROUND YOU. If God, who IS love, was in control of everything that happens, most of the crap that happens in the world today wouldn't.
By quoting OT scriptures, no doubt, BEFORE Jesus Christ made known the spiritual war we are in.
..with all due respect...
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Of coarse we are in a Spiritual war.Exodus 15:3
3The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
Ps 24:8Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.
Of coarse God is Love...is that all He is? Does He think like You?
Are His councils at your finite level?
Of coarse we are in a Spiritual war.Exodus 15:3
3The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
Ps 24:8Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.
Of coarse God is Love...is that all He is? Does He think like You?
Are His councils at your finite level?
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what a shallow love people give to others and attribrute to God.
Teenagers often try and get others to let misbehavior slide. they say things like "if you really liked me you would let me leave five minutes from class to go to my locker" "if you really want to help me let me copy your homework" "If you love me you would do this...."
some people never grow up and think love is getting and giving things from people and from God, but that is not what God's love is. God does NOT give as the World gives.
God's love is tougher than that. He tells you NO your are not going to cheat, you are going to learn it yourself. NO you are not going to have a lot of candy that it is bad for you and your teeth will rot. NO you are not going to stay up all night watching that junk you have school in the morning. NO you can't have it all your way because I have better plans for you. NO you can't marry that person I have someone else in mind for you. NO you cant do this because I ,YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER SAYS SO.
spoiled brat syndrome, wonder when the world will out grow it.
Romans 8:20-23
New King James Version (NKJV)
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.
God's plan is not for us to redeem just ourselves but the WHOLE of Creation: Earth, Sky, Sea and all the living creatures that inhabit therein.
The Bible tells us the battle plan and the Holy Spirit is the decoder ring.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mmgV6mPvb0[/video]
Teenagers often try and get others to let misbehavior slide. they say things like "if you really liked me you would let me leave five minutes from class to go to my locker" "if you really want to help me let me copy your homework" "If you love me you would do this...."
some people never grow up and think love is getting and giving things from people and from God, but that is not what God's love is. God does NOT give as the World gives.
God's love is tougher than that. He tells you NO your are not going to cheat, you are going to learn it yourself. NO you are not going to have a lot of candy that it is bad for you and your teeth will rot. NO you are not going to stay up all night watching that junk you have school in the morning. NO you can't have it all your way because I have better plans for you. NO you can't marry that person I have someone else in mind for you. NO you cant do this because I ,YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER SAYS SO.
spoiled brat syndrome, wonder when the world will out grow it.
Romans 8:20-23
New King James Version (NKJV)
20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.
God's plan is not for us to redeem just ourselves but the WHOLE of Creation: Earth, Sky, Sea and all the living creatures that inhabit therein.
The Bible tells us the battle plan and the Holy Spirit is the decoder ring.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mmgV6mPvb0[/video]
(I should have included 1 John 5:20)
Luke 4:
5) And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6) And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
1 John 5:20) (ESV) We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
Luke 4:
5) And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6) And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
1 John 5:20) (ESV) We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
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1 John 5
New King James Version
18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself,[e] and the wicked one does not touch him.
19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
mine says sway as in INFLUENCED by Satan but those in Christ are NOT influenced by him but keep themselves from temptation and Satan's lies.
King James version:
19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
interesting how the newer Bible versions changes that verse ehhh??
New King James Version
18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself,[e] and the wicked one does not touch him.
19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
mine says sway as in INFLUENCED by Satan but those in Christ are NOT influenced by him but keep themselves from temptation and Satan's lies.
King James version:
19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
interesting how the newer Bible versions changes that verse ehhh??
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The OT does not say who He is at war with. You have to read the NT to find out it's satan.
Obviously not. He is God. But God is love, and the bible explains what love is: 1 Cor 13. Also, God is light and in Him is no darkness at all (1 John 1:5). He knows the number of hairs on our heads. He cares for the sparrow, and we are MUCH more valuable to Him that a bird. Our understanding may be at a finite level, but even at this lowly level, I understand that crashing airplanes into buildings to kill innocent people is evil. If you can fathom any reason how such an event can be authorized by a loving God, I'd love to hear it.
Because people do not understand, they attribute everything to God. "It's all part of His plan", "His ways are much higher than ours", "it's not for us to know". You sound JUST LIKE THE OT BELIEVERS, who for the most part did not know about the devil, and attributed everything that happened, good and evil, to God. Jesus Christ made known the enemy. There is no longer any reason to be ignorant, to say God "authorizes" evil.
Obviously not. He is God. But God is love, and the bible explains what love is: 1 Cor 13. Also, God is light and in Him is no darkness at all (1 John 1:5). He knows the number of hairs on our heads. He cares for the sparrow, and we are MUCH more valuable to Him that a bird. Our understanding may be at a finite level, but even at this lowly level, I understand that crashing airplanes into buildings to kill innocent people is evil. If you can fathom any reason how such an event can be authorized by a loving God, I'd love to hear it.
Because people do not understand, they attribute everything to God. "It's all part of His plan", "His ways are much higher than ours", "it's not for us to know". You sound JUST LIKE THE OT BELIEVERS, who for the most part did not know about the devil, and attributed everything that happened, good and evil, to God. Jesus Christ made known the enemy. There is no longer any reason to be ignorant, to say God "authorizes" evil.