Man's dominion over earth

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AnandaHya said:
19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

interesting how the newer Bible versions changes that verse ehhh??
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The whole world DOES lie in wickedness. Think about what that means. Is it so much different than "under the control of the evil one'?

(KJV) And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

(NIV) We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.

(ESV) We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

(NKJV) We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.

(NRSV) We know that we are God's children, and that the whole world lies under the power of the evil one.

(ASV) We know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in the evil one.

(YLT) we have known that of God we are, and the whole world in the evil doth lie;

(AMP) We know positively that we are of God, and the whole world around us is under the power of the evil one.

(CEV) We are certain that we come from God and that the rest of the world is under the power of the devil.

Ehhhh????
 
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Doesn't the bible say something about satan being the little g ''god'' of this world?
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Actually the King James translators made that a little "g". The original text are not in English format; it's either completely Capital letters or completely lower case letters. So the whole things about why it's not capital "G" is something to consider. It's the same word used to say "God" with a captial G. And the Bible never says that the god of this world is Satan. If you read it again you will find out that it doesn't say who it is exactly.
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
Actually the King James translators made that a little "g". The original text are not in English format; it's either completely Capital letters or completely lower case letters. So the whole things about why it's not capital "G" is something to consider. It's the same word used to say "God" with a captial G. And the Bible never says that the god of this world is Satan. If you read it again you will find out that it doesn't say who it is exactly.
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Only if you don't have eyes to see.

2 Cor 4:
3) But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

It is talking about those who are lost. In whom the god of this world has blinded their minds. Who else would it be, Jonathan?
 
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shroom2 said:
The whole world DOES lie in wickedness. Think about what that means. Is it so much different than "under the control of the evil one'?

(KJV) And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
this does not personalize wickedness

(NIV) We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
this gives Satan control over people

(ESV) We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
Now this gives Satan more power than he really has

(NKJV) We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
Personally I prefer this version because it shows Satan is there but he exerts persuasion not ultimate power, makes me think that people are in ultimate control of their choices and have no excuse for giving into temptation

(NRSV) We know that we are God's children, and that the whole world lies under the power of the evil one.

(ASV) We know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in the evil one. now this one is concerning it sounds Buddhist concept of Mara

(YLT) we have known that of God we are, and the whole world in the evil doth lie;

(AMP) We know positively that we are of God, and the whole world around us is under the power of the evil one. this one and the one below at least excludes God's people..

(CEV) We are certain that we come from God and that the rest of the world is under the power of the devil.

Ehhhh????
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anyways...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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humans obviously do not have dominion over the whole earth any more... many animals are instinctively hostile to us
 
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Man still has dominion. Never gave anything to satan. God is still sovereign over all His creation.
 
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Abiding said:
Man still has dominion. Never gave anything to satan. God is still sovereign over all His creation.
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just because dominion was not given to satan does not mean humans still have dominion over the earth...

every shark attack or dog bite or bee sting or poison ivy rash is a reminder that we -lost- our dominion over the earth when adam and eve sinned
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
just because dominion was not given to satan does not mean humans still have dominion over the earth...

every shark attack or dog bite or bee sting or poison ivy rash is a reminder that we -lost- our dominion over the earth when adam and eve sinned
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You know I did not think about that,You are right,this is not where the animals lay down together in unity!
 
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dominion is not automatic.

God told mankind to mulitply, fill the Earth and Subdue it.

If it was automatic why would He command them to actively do something? even before the fall there was a battle of wills occurring. the only difference is that before the fall mankind was on God's side and that did not happen again until we reject the world and submit to Him. What happened in the garden was a betrayal of trust and a switching of sides when Eve chose the Serpent over God's advice. then God made it right with His curse by placing enmity between Eve's seed and the serpent's so that there was hope in the promise of the Seed.


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28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
just because dominion was not given to satan does not mean humans still have dominion over the earth...

every shark attack or dog bite or bee sting or poison ivy rash is a reminder that we -lost- our dominion over the earth when adam and eve sinned
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I understand your position...the curse of the fall has ramifications. Nevertheless. We still have dominion.
The shark or the bee doesnt.
 
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Tobby17 said:
You seem to have forgotten that Devil is a liar
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What you don't know that Adam is the devil, who is the serpent and satan, so the devil was speaking the TRUTH. Also, a liar will not lie all the time necessarily.
 
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Abiding said:
I understand your position...the curse of the fall has ramifications. Nevertheless. We still have dominion.
The shark or the bee doesnt.
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one of the biggest ramifications of the fall and the curse is that humans lost dominion over the earth

nature basically became an anarchy...nobody has dominion over it... kill or be killed is the only rule nature follows now
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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serpentslayer said:
Look in Gen, and you will see that GOD put the fear of man on all the creatures of the earth after the flood
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being feared and having dominion are two totally different things...
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
just because dominion was not given to satan does not mean humans still have dominion over the earth...

every shark attack or dog bite or bee sting or poison ivy rash is a reminder that we -lost- our dominion over the earth when adam and eve sinned
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Very true however, Christ lived and died so that man's dominion over the physical realm (on earth) can be restored (through Christ). It was through one man's sin (Adam) that dominion was lost. In like manner, it is through one man's righteousness (Christ) that dominion was restored. Although, that dominion can only be accessed through Christ.
 
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Abiding said:
Man still has dominion. Never gave anything to satan. God is still sovereign over all His creation.
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In the beginning, God gave man dominion over the physical realm (earth). While He can do anything He chooses at any time He chooses to do so, God chose to give man dominion over this plane of existence thus placing Self imposed limitations on Himself. God chooses to interact with this world through mankind. In essence, we are God embassadors, His hands - His feet - His voice- on planet earth.

Man forfeits dominion to Satan every time we sin. Sin is nothing more than self centeredness. Satan fell because he desired to exalt his ways (self) over God's ways. Adam and Eve fell because they desired to exalt their ways (self) over God's ways. Any time man seeks to fulfill his own selfish desires or to impose his own will, man is committing sin. Any time any of us acts or responds in a selfish manner (sin) we are exalting Satan because it was Satan who introduced selfishness (sin) in the first place.

We know that Satan still rules over the kingdoms of this world because the every major society is both fueled and driven by the desires of the flesh for power, prestige and wealth.

Is God still sovereign? Absolutely! However, God still chooses work in and through mankind. That is why Christ had to come to earth because the rift between God and man caused by Adams disobedience could only be restored through another man's obedience, which is Christ. Only through Christ can man access dominion as God originally intended.
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
Actually the King James translators made that a little "g". The original text are not in English format; it's either completely Capital letters or completely lower case letters. So the whole things about why it's not capital "G" is something to consider. It's the same word used to say "God" with a captial G. And the Bible never says that the god of this world is Satan.
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Well done. How much more do you know on that verse?
 
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Hi everyone,

I don't think that Adam (in the garden) was given dominion over all things, does it say that?
I believe that he had limitaions, thou shalt not partake of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Only the One in Gen.1 was, And I only know of One who has Dominion over all things and
that One is Christ.

So the only way that mankind could ever have dominion would be In Him.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Blessings
 
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Just so you know. I agree with your basic premise. I don't believe Gen 2 is a re-cap of Gen 1. They are two different creations but that doesn't change the fact that "man" in both chapters is "eth ha adam" in the manuscripts.

If you'd like to pursue this topic further, let's start a new thread and I'll show you what evidences I have on the chapters.





2knowhim said:
Hi everyone,

I don't think that Adam (in the garden) was given dominion over all things, does it say that?
I believe that he had limitaions, thou shalt not partake of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Only the One in Gen.1 was, And I only know of One who has Dominion over all things and
that One is Christ.

So the only way that mankind could ever have dominion would be In Him.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Blessings
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