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phil36

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I think we need to stick to the vital truth that scripture is truth, it des not contradict itself. If it 'seems' that way that is because man is faulty.

once we start to philosophize of how contradictions 'may/seem to appear and try and give scriptural reasons we leave the fact that scripture has no contradictions as God is not the author of confusion.
 
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No wonder I couldn't figure out what this thread was about. This was Immanuel Kant's philosophy!

Not sure I can reconcile black being white and white being black, though. I am kind of rigid about right and wrong, and good and bad and those kinds of things.

But kudos to anyone who can bedazzle their minds with philosophical feats of contortion!
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I think people are misunderstanding me. I'm not trying to say black is white and vice-versa. I'm trying to reconcile the beliefs that are found in God's Word. If all of the truths revealed in the Bible are true (about God's nature, His purposes etc.), that's it - they're true. One truth doesn't mean the other isn't true.
 
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phil36 said:
I think we need to stick to the vital truth that scripture is truth, it des not contradict itself. If it 'seems' that way that is because man is faulty.

once we start to philosophize of how contradictions 'may/seem to appear and try and give scriptural reasons we leave the fact that scripture has no contradictions as God is not the author of confusion.
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Naturally, God's truths don't contradict themselves. I'm pretty sure I mentioned that: "truths that SEEMINGLY contradict themselves" in my opening post.
 
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phil36

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Hi tintin,

that wasn't aimed at you. just a comment on some of the comments.
 
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contraindications exist in the Bible because different people wrote it at different time periods. you cannot have the same idea as the next guy 100 years later living in a different city with possible differences in culture. laws inevitably change over time this is just part of the evolution of morality and the sociality of mankind
 
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Considering that the Bible was written by 40+ people of God from many different cultures, over thousands of years - it's amazing that the collection (book) is as cohesive as it is and interrelates with itself and that all doctrines necessary for salvation etc. are internally consistent. That testifies to the power of God and the reality of the Bible being divine revelation from the Holy Spirit, not the strange imaginings of various people across the ages.
 
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Hi Tr,

If you were to give it some thought.. different authors in different times and culture's, yet, it is one seamless non contradictory story of God dealing with his people..

culture may change but God is outside of culture.
 
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...this is just part of the evolution of morality and the sociality of mankind
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​Well, the Book of Isaiah states, "The grass withers; the flower fades, but the word of our God endures forever" (Isaiah 40:8).

Then several hundred years later, the apostle Peter reassures, "for all flesh is like grass, and all its glory like the flower of grass. The grass withers, and the flower falls off, but the word of the Lord endures forever. And this is the word which was preached to you" (1 Peter 1:25). :)
 
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Tr said:
you cannot have the same idea as the next guy 100 years later living in a different city...
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Well, the entire Bible is about God and His direct relationship with the humans He created.

God Himself said, "I, the Lord, do not change" (Malachi 3:6).

"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You had formed the Earth and the World, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God" (Psalm 90:2).


...And all humans very much need God to be eternally consistent because "the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting on those who fear Him..." (Psalm 103:17).

Therefore, today you have a Savior, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever" (Hebrews 13:8). :) :) :)
 
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It's clear that the bible and beliefs do change over time. If you could read a king James bible to a first century christian they might not recognize that it was the bible or whatever they called the scriptures at the time. First off they wouldn't know what Easter was!

They never called jesus Jesus and probably had a different name for the gods as many first century Christians were just getting away from polytheistic beliefs.

If you went to seminary you would see the light about how the bible was written.
 
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In information systems, we call it database normalization... lol. In theology, we call it systematic theology. You have to be careful not to normalize something that is objectively false with something that is objectively true as so many post modern relativist pluralist religious "scholars" do today.

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I used to call these seemingly contradictory beliefs "Godly paradoxes", but Immanuel Kant's philosophical device the "antinomy" appears to be more relevant.

Antinomies occur when there are two truths presented in the Bible that seem to contradict each other. Things such as human responsibility and God's election, the command to pray and God's sovereignty, or Jesus' status as God-man can cause people to stumble in their faith or pursue bad theology. By choosing one truth over the other, you are forced to reject or reinterpret Scriptures to fit your view. It is important to understand the practical application of an antinomy. By faith you can accept both seemingly opposing ideas to be equally true and therefore grasp the message of the various texts of Scripture (Landis, Don. 2013 The Genius of Ancient Man, p.102).

Our Triune God is Absolute Truth, as is His Word, the Bible. If we believe those beliefs to be true, the truths revealed in the Bible that seem to be at odds with each other, must equally be true. Think about it.
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AgeofKnowledge said:
In information systems, we call it database normalization... lol. In theology, we call it systematic theology. You have to be careful not to normalize something that is objectively false with something that is objectively true as so many post modern relativist pluralist religious "scholars" do today.
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Yes, exactly. I think there's a whole lot of misunderstanding going on here, because I'm proposing something that's not against God and his will.
 
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It's clear that the bible and beliefs do change over time. If you could read a king James bible to a first century christian they might not recognize that it was the bible or whatever they called the scriptures at the time. First off they wouldn't know what Easter was!

They never called jesus Jesus and probably had a different name for the gods as many first century Christians were just getting away from polytheistic beliefs.

If you went to seminary you would see the light about how the bible was written.
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The one True God came first, the pagan religions are a corrupted off-shoot of that truth - a conscious and other times subconscious decision to reject God and his ways. Don't buy into the crap that secular and theistic evolutionists perpetuate. Polytheistic beliefs did not come first. Many first century Christians were actually Jews, believing in one God. Who are you going to believe? God's Word or mankind's? I'm going with God's Word.
 
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Tr said:
It's clear that the bible and beliefs do change over time. If you could read a king James bible to a first century christian they might not recognize that it was the bible or whatever they called the scriptures at the time. First off they wouldn't know what Easter was!

They never called jesus Jesus and probably had a different name for the gods as many first century Christians were just getting away from polytheistic beliefs.

If you went to seminary you would see the light about how the bible was written.
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Interesting, I went to Seminary, and found out that God wrote the Bible, and I learned how and when it was written and the incredible unity. I also learned how little I know, and that "apparent" contradictions usually have good ways of being resolved.

I do think culture changes, and therefore we need to be aware of the culture in which the book was written, and the time. We would do well to consider genre as well. Hermeneutics taught me that the Bible is the most amazing book in the world, and most heresies come out of a lack of understanding of how to properly read the Bible.

Oh yes, and probably most of the 1st century Christians could read my Greek and Hebrew Bibles, but I imagine they would be amazed by the printing and publishing processes we have. Esp. on my Iphone!
 
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first off Hinduism and the Egyptian religions predate Judaism, can you show evidence otherwise?
 
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first off Hinduism and the Egyptian religions predate Judaism, can you show evidence otherwise?
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Really? What kind of believer believes the Christian faith and earlier, the Jewish God were birthed from paganism?
 
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I'm sorry, it's just a fact.
 
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I'm sorry, it's just a fact.
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Pffffttt. Rubbish. Where's the hope, if the True God is just birthed from pagan gods? Where's the truth if that's the case? Where's the purpose to life and living then? I've done a lot of reading on these topics, I believe in thinking critically but when it comes to it, the Bible should be our measuring stick for everything, not flawed human reasoning. It's sad how so many seminaries pumps out 'Christians' that don't believe in the Bible, as it's written and as the Absolute Truth/Godly Authority.
 
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Matthew 19:12
For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs (A slave doesn't has no place in the house.) by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs (Only a son love to do their father's desires) for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

Some of the children were forced into submission in the beginning of their task, but then later they didn't need to be force, because they has matured into adults.

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
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Was that not the EXACT same with Saul who became Paul? Saul wanted to KILL Christians, but GOD CHOSE him for a vessel to MAKE MORE CHRSITIANS...Do you see that Saul WILLED Satan's will but God's Will was that he would be PAUL for GOD'S will?

Where is Saul's free choice? Saul HAD no choice! God chose HIM not Sau lChose God! Man I think we should focus on who chose who for what. If God does not CHOOSE you, you will NEVER do God's will NEVER! And since when did ANY sinner choose to do God's will? If you look at the SALVATION process, it is ALL GOD! There is not one single step where man's will is a contributing factor to the salvation of the man. In fact the CHOICES the man made in the past is why the man NEED God and His salvation.

You think to highly of yourself if you think you contribute to your slavation with your will or choice. If God wants a man for His Kingdom, GOD WILL DO HIS WILL. And the man, does not even have a say in the process, let alone a will or a choice! God will save whom HE WANTS saved. And the rest? They will not get saved, as easy as that!
 
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