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Still doesn't explain which part you found to be humorous. Perhaps I should put it into a question for you: Why do you find it amusing that someone who uses marijuana can also read his bible, pray, and feed the poor? Which part of that is humorous?
At the moment, I am left with the assumption that your laughing is not amusement, but disrespectful incredulity aimed at my friend. You find it hard to believe that someone could truly be a true Christian and use marijuana, and so you mask your disgust by typing out "LOL" as if that will help the situation in any way, shape, or form.
I could be wrong, of course, but when all you are willing to divulge of the situation is that you find a completely humorless statement to be humorous, what am I to believe?
I understand that many of you don't think Christians should use marijuana, but should that elicite amusement from you when you are told that a Christian does use marijuana? Should it not instead elicite a response of sorrow that a brother in Christ is doing something that you view to be sinful?
At the moment, I am left with the assumption that your laughing is not amusement, but disrespectful incredulity aimed at my friend. You find it hard to believe that someone could truly be a true Christian and use marijuana, and so you mask your disgust by typing out "LOL" as if that will help the situation in any way, shape, or form.
I could be wrong, of course, but when all you are willing to divulge of the situation is that you find a completely humorless statement to be humorous, what am I to believe?
I understand that many of you don't think Christians should use marijuana, but should that elicite amusement from you when you are told that a Christian does use marijuana? Should it not instead elicite a response of sorrow that a brother in Christ is doing something that you view to be sinful?
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Does it say anywhere in the New Testament that Jesus drank wine? Yes he turned water into wine, some of his disciples drank wine, but as a Nazarine, Jesus would not have part-taken in it's consumption, the Nazarines abstained from alcohol and did not cut their hair (Sampson and John the Baptist were Nazarines as well
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I do not think imoss was disrespectful because I also found it quite funny the way it is read:
smoked a joint, read my Bible, prayed some then went and fed the poor...just sounds funny the way the wording was put.....no disrespect at all!
smoked a joint, read my Bible, prayed some then went and fed the poor...just sounds funny the way the wording was put.....no disrespect at all!
yes it does sound absurd
I once talked to a 'christian' who was apparently justifying the use of pot
he said it is not what goes into a man thatmakes him unclean but what comes out
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Questions: Are you basing your opinion of whether marijuana should be legal or not on your Biblical point of view or on what should be allowed in society?
Too often, Christians will try to keep something illegal based on what they believe is right according to the Bible, as if we have a right to tell others what they are allowed to do according to our own personal convictions.
The fact of the matter is, our (american) government is a democracy, not a theocracy. We can not base our laws on what we as Christians believe. That is not democratic. We may have a Christian foundation in our government, but that does not mean our laws can cater exclusively to Christians.
The legality or illegality of marijuana cannot be based on what you believe is sinful or not.
And if we are to ignore the sinful argument of marijuana, opponents of marijuana don't have much ground to stand on. Marijuana laws were formed by racists (Harry Anslinger, the man who formed the first Marijuana law was a total racist) and propaganda. It was never made illegal because it was scientifically proven to be harmful to the body. It wasn't even made illegal for religious reasons. It was made illegal because of quotes such as this: "... the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races." (degenerate races being blacks, latinos, and Asians)
the effect being: "Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men's shadows and look at a white woman twice."
"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."
Too often, Christians will try to keep something illegal based on what they believe is right according to the Bible, as if we have a right to tell others what they are allowed to do according to our own personal convictions.
The fact of the matter is, our (american) government is a democracy, not a theocracy. We can not base our laws on what we as Christians believe. That is not democratic. We may have a Christian foundation in our government, but that does not mean our laws can cater exclusively to Christians.
The legality or illegality of marijuana cannot be based on what you believe is sinful or not.
And if we are to ignore the sinful argument of marijuana, opponents of marijuana don't have much ground to stand on. Marijuana laws were formed by racists (Harry Anslinger, the man who formed the first Marijuana law was a total racist) and propaganda. It was never made illegal because it was scientifically proven to be harmful to the body. It wasn't even made illegal for religious reasons. It was made illegal because of quotes such as this: "... the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races." (degenerate races being blacks, latinos, and Asians)
the effect being: "Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men's shadows and look at a white woman twice."
"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."
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But who decides what is and is not moral? You may believe marijuana to be immoral, but I do not. Who is right? God looked at His creation after He finished it and said it was good. He told Man he could eat of any seed-bearing plant. So, cannabis is a seed-bearing plant created by God. Morally, I see nothing wrong with a seed-bearing plant created by God which He said was good. The only moral issue I have with marijuana is that it's illegal, and I'm not big on people breaking the law.
I saw your post. I don't agree with it. I don't think marijuana is any more harmful than tylenol. Maybe even less harmful, since one can actually OD on tylenol. The thing is, marijuana is a political topic. As such it is next to impossible to find nonbias information about it. For every "scientific" piece of evidence saying marijuana is harmful, there is a counterpiece of "scientific" evidence saying it is not harmful. I don't deny that marijuana can cause issues with some people, but that does not mean it will with all people.
My sister was given drugs by her dental surgeon after having her wisdom teeth pulled that altered her state of mind. Should those drugs be made illegal? What about drugs given to people after surgery that alter their state of mind? Should those be made illegal?
What I see amongst Christians is a double-standard. When a drug is already illegal they are willing to say it should stay illegal because they never have to use the drug personally, but when it comes to drugs they actually have to use they don't say those drugs should be made illegal as well. Give a Christian a doctor-approved, legal, chemically-made, mind-altering drug, and they will say it should remain legal. Give them an illegal, God-made (God did create the cannabis plant), mind-altering drug, and they will say it should remain illegal.
I saw your post. I don't agree with it. I don't think marijuana is any more harmful than tylenol. Maybe even less harmful, since one can actually OD on tylenol. The thing is, marijuana is a political topic. As such it is next to impossible to find nonbias information about it. For every "scientific" piece of evidence saying marijuana is harmful, there is a counterpiece of "scientific" evidence saying it is not harmful. I don't deny that marijuana can cause issues with some people, but that does not mean it will with all people.
My sister was given drugs by her dental surgeon after having her wisdom teeth pulled that altered her state of mind. Should those drugs be made illegal? What about drugs given to people after surgery that alter their state of mind? Should those be made illegal?
What I see amongst Christians is a double-standard. When a drug is already illegal they are willing to say it should stay illegal because they never have to use the drug personally, but when it comes to drugs they actually have to use they don't say those drugs should be made illegal as well. Give a Christian a doctor-approved, legal, chemically-made, mind-altering drug, and they will say it should remain legal. Give them an illegal, God-made (God did create the cannabis plant), mind-altering drug, and they will say it should remain illegal.
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then your view would say that opiates and coca are OK because they are seed bearing plants. What about poisonous plants? Surely God declared them good as well.
As for the effects, you disagree with the American Medical Association, the National Institute on Drug Abuse, and many others. Are you a qualified physician?
I doubt that your sister was given an hallucinagetic.
As for the rest, I believe all hallucinagetics should be illegal. What legal hallucinegetic are you referring to?
What is your stake in this? I know mine, because I see it everyday. Why are you so intent in defending this one thing?
As for the effects, you disagree with the American Medical Association, the National Institute on Drug Abuse, and many others. Are you a qualified physician?
I doubt that your sister was given an hallucinagetic.
As for the rest, I believe all hallucinagetics should be illegal. What legal hallucinegetic are you referring to?
What is your stake in this? I know mine, because I see it everyday. Why are you so intent in defending this one thing?
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Whatever the answer is, it saddens me to see the dissension between men and women of Christ. Especially on a topic so far from salvation, or spreading the Gospel, or helping a fellow member of Christ. In Peter he tells us that as Christians we have a responsibility to get along with each other.
1 Peter 3:8 Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble
I understand that it is very hard to be calm and harmonious about a subject such as this one. However, surely we can show compassion, love and sympathy.
Debbie
1 Peter 3:8 Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble
I understand that it is very hard to be calm and harmonious about a subject such as this one. However, surely we can show compassion, love and sympathy.
Debbie
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Regarding Netherlands: The controversy is two-fold. First, about a fifth of the cannibis shops are being closed because of their proximity to schools. While marijuana (more than 5 grams) is illegal in Netherlands, it is tolerated in certain zones within the cities. Second, the Netherlands spends more money per capital on drug enforcement than any country in Europe except one (Swedan). There is alot of discussion regarding how that is impacted by these enforcement free zones.
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As pointed out, Jesus wasn't a Nazirite, He was a Nazerene. And there are several verses supporting his drinking wine
"For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and
you say, 'He has a demon.' The Son of Man came eating and drinking,
and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax
collectors and "sinners."'" (Luke 7:33-34)
"A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put
the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus'
lips. When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished."
With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." (John 19:29-30)
In addition, the "fruit of the vine" spoken of during His Passover speech at the last supper was most likely wine, because there was no form of refridgeration available at the time to keep fruit juice from fermenting.
As a somewhat fascinating side note to this conversation, the Old Testament recipe for anointing oil included extract from over nine pounds of flowering cannabis tops (Hebrew kaneh-bosm, which is often translated as fragrant cane). Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah, the "Anointed One" and also used anointing oil in His ministry.
Also, regarding the Netherlands, it's marijuana usage is significantly lower in percentage than the U.S., despite being lenient on it. In fact, the U.S, the country with the harshest drug laws, also has the highest drug usage for nearly every drug.
"For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and
you say, 'He has a demon.' The Son of Man came eating and drinking,
and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax
collectors and "sinners."'" (Luke 7:33-34)
"A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put
the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus'
lips. When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished."
With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." (John 19:29-30)
In addition, the "fruit of the vine" spoken of during His Passover speech at the last supper was most likely wine, because there was no form of refridgeration available at the time to keep fruit juice from fermenting.
As a somewhat fascinating side note to this conversation, the Old Testament recipe for anointing oil included extract from over nine pounds of flowering cannabis tops (Hebrew kaneh-bosm, which is often translated as fragrant cane). Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah, the "Anointed One" and also used anointing oil in His ministry.
Also, regarding the Netherlands, it's marijuana usage is significantly lower in percentage than the U.S., despite being lenient on it. In fact, the U.S, the country with the harshest drug laws, also has the highest drug usage for nearly every drug.
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Coca Cola uses coca leaves in its drink. As to poisonous plants, how many countries do you know of that make holly berries illegal to eat? It is perfectly legal for me to go out to the side of my yard, pick some of the holly berries from the holly bushes there and eat them. Would I? No, but I can if I want to. Just because it is not good for me, does not mean it cannot be good for other creations of God's, though. Animals can eat holly berries with no adverse effects.
I don't have to be a physician to know when the AMA or NIDA produce incorrect information. If physicians were right all the time, there would not always be civil action suit commercials on TV saying "If you used this drug and had these adverse side effects, call this number now."
You said "mind-altering." You did not say "hallucinagetic."
My stake in this is a government that has over-extended its bounds. Have you ever heard of civil asset forfeiture? That is where the government can come in and take your property based on the assumption that you might have possibly be using that property for illegal purposes. And if you are proven innocent, you most likely will not get your property back.
In the Federalist No. 84 papers, authored by Alexander Hamilton, he states "To bereave a man of life, [says he] or by violence to confiscate his estate, without accusation or trial, would be so gross and notorious an act of despotism, as must at once convey the alarm of tyranny throughout the whole nation; but confinement of the person, by secretly hurrying him to jail, where his sufferings are unknown or forgotten, is a less public, a less striking, and therefore a more dangerous engine of arbitrary government."
The marijuana laws violate some of the Bill of Rights. Marijuana laws prohibit the production of hemp, which would produce a great source of economic income in this country. Marijuana laws create a corrupt criminal system.
It's not so much that I am intent on defending this one thing as it is that I am intent on calling for reform in a corrupt government, and protecting my rights as an American.
I don't have to be a physician to know when the AMA or NIDA produce incorrect information. If physicians were right all the time, there would not always be civil action suit commercials on TV saying "If you used this drug and had these adverse side effects, call this number now."
You said "mind-altering." You did not say "hallucinagetic."
My stake in this is a government that has over-extended its bounds. Have you ever heard of civil asset forfeiture? That is where the government can come in and take your property based on the assumption that you might have possibly be using that property for illegal purposes. And if you are proven innocent, you most likely will not get your property back.
In the Federalist No. 84 papers, authored by Alexander Hamilton, he states "To bereave a man of life, [says he] or by violence to confiscate his estate, without accusation or trial, would be so gross and notorious an act of despotism, as must at once convey the alarm of tyranny throughout the whole nation; but confinement of the person, by secretly hurrying him to jail, where his sufferings are unknown or forgotten, is a less public, a less striking, and therefore a more dangerous engine of arbitrary government."
The marijuana laws violate some of the Bill of Rights. Marijuana laws prohibit the production of hemp, which would produce a great source of economic income in this country. Marijuana laws create a corrupt criminal system.
It's not so much that I am intent on defending this one thing as it is that I am intent on calling for reform in a corrupt government, and protecting my rights as an American.
C
As pointed out, Jesus wasn't a Nazirite, He was a Nazerene. And there are several verses supporting his drinking wine
"For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and
you say, 'He has a demon.' The Son of Man came eating and drinking,
and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax
collectors and "sinners."'" (Luke 7:33-34)
"A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put
the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus'
lips. When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished."
With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." (John 19:29-30)
In addition, the "fruit of the vine" spoken of during His Passover speech at the last supper was most likely wine, because there was no form of refridgeration available at the time to keep fruit juice from fermenting.
As a somewhat fascinating side note to this conversation, the Old Testament recipe for anointing oil included extract from over nine pounds of flowering cannabis tops (Hebrew kaneh-bosm, which is often translated as fragrant cane). Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah, the "Anointed One" and also used anointing oil in His ministry.
Also, regarding the Netherlands, it's marijuana usage is significantly lower in percentage than the U.S., despite being lenient on it. In fact, the U.S, the country with the harshest drug laws, also has the highest drug usage for nearly every drug.
"For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and
you say, 'He has a demon.' The Son of Man came eating and drinking,
and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax
collectors and "sinners."'" (Luke 7:33-34)
"A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put
the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus'
lips. When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished."
With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." (John 19:29-30)
In addition, the "fruit of the vine" spoken of during His Passover speech at the last supper was most likely wine, because there was no form of refridgeration available at the time to keep fruit juice from fermenting.
As a somewhat fascinating side note to this conversation, the Old Testament recipe for anointing oil included extract from over nine pounds of flowering cannabis tops (Hebrew kaneh-bosm, which is often translated as fragrant cane). Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah, the "Anointed One" and also used anointing oil in His ministry.
Also, regarding the Netherlands, it's marijuana usage is significantly lower in percentage than the U.S., despite being lenient on it. In fact, the U.S, the country with the harshest drug laws, also has the highest drug usage for nearly every drug.
Re USA and marijuana, we are in fact the most addicted Western nation in the world. That's the problem. By the way, Netherlands spends much more per capita on drug enforcement than we do....