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Like I said, you can't prove Revelation has a late date after 70AD. Also Revelation doesn't say the 7th King is the last King, just a secession of kings. It is possible that John stopped with Galba because it was enough to establish to his 1st Century readers of who and what time to apply his writing too
If you wish to fight for your late date with virtually no external evidence and no biblical evidence, so be it. Some people just aren't teachable. You got your mind made up!
If you wish to fight for your late date with virtually no external evidence and no biblical evidence, so be it. Some people just aren't teachable. You got your mind made up!
I personally doubt that. I think there's a greater chance of all this technology being thrown down first. Consider for instance that it would only take one or two EMP devices exploded above America to set the world's most technologically advanced civilization straight into the Dark Ages. And that's only just one way in which modern technology can be vanquished within a short space of time.
How about the fact John numerously and explicitly states Revelation is a prophecy? If Revelation is a prophecy then according to John, then it would make no sense for John to talk about thngs that all ready happened.
Simply read Revelation. Did any of the signs that precede the Beast happen in the time of the Caesars? Somehow I see no mention of the opening of the Bottomless Pit anywhere in ancient history.
Simply read Revelation. Did any of the signs that precede the Beast happen in the time of the Caesars? Somehow I see no mention of the opening of the Bottomless Pit anywhere in ancient history.
Which is why i stated in my previous post that the Mark is most likely going to be a spiritual and DNA mark, which will effectively turn us into hybrids or Nephilim, this is why we are told that anyone accepting the mark will be automatically sent to hell as the pure human spirit and body has now been corrupted into part supernatural being which is filthy perversion to GOd.
It was pertaining to his future, and the future of his 1st century readers, to prepare them for their soon, near, at the door future! but our past, most of it our past anyway!
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.
I think bottomless pit simply means that God is going to allow Satan and minions loose to reek havoc upon whomever God allows, in this case, Jerusalem. Just like in the story of Job, Satan can only inflict to the point of what and who God allows. In God's Sovereignty, He uses evil however He wishes.
The Bottmless Pit might be the entrance to the Netherworld, and maybe it is not. As far as the prophecy states it is merely the Bottomless Pit from whence shall come some pretty peculiar beings whom have a leader over them named Apollyon/Abaddon. If I am not incorrect, Apollyon is merely the Angel of Destruction.
This is not Satan, Satan is the ancient dragon whom will make a war in Heaven sometime after the Bottomless Pit event and the dragon shall be defeated and thrown down to the face of the earth. Which is the sign that immediately precedes the rising of the two Beasts.
This is not Satan, Satan is the ancient dragon whom will make a war in Heaven sometime after the Bottomless Pit event and the dragon shall be defeated and thrown down to the face of the earth. Which is the sign that immediately precedes the rising of the two Beasts.
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So, no preterist views outside of Nero, got it
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GiS, I don't really know when Nero committed suicide, but I do know that the common dates of 90-100AD is very, very late.
Dan58, I believe it all happened/started in the first century.
VCO, there is nothing in Revelation, imo, that would lead me to think that any of it has anything to do with a computer chip, etc.
.GiS, I don't really know when Nero committed suicide, but I do know that the common dates of 90-100AD is very, very late.
Dan58, I believe it all happened/started in the first century.
VCO, there is nothing in Revelation, imo, that would lead me to think that any of it has anything to do with a computer chip, etc.
Watch the second video on my list. And then think about WHO would want to CONTROL all the world's money.
Revelation 13:17 (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Proverbs 11:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] The righteousness of the upright will deliver them, But the treacherous will be caught by their own greed.
What is one of the main character characteristics of a False Prophet:
Revelation 16:13 (ASV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits, as it were frogs:
John 8:44 (HCSB)
[SUP]44 [/SUP] You are of your father the Devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of liars.
Matthew 23:25 (ESV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
Psalm 52:7 (GW)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] “Look at this person who refused to make God his fortress! Instead, he trusted his great wealth and became strong through his greed.”
Isaiah 57:17 (NIV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] I was enraged by his sinful greed; I punished him, and hid my face in anger, yet he kept on in his willful ways.
Mark 7:21-23 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For from within, out of people’s hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immoralities, thefts, murders,
[SUP]22 [/SUP] adulteries, greed, evil actions, deceit, promiscuity, stinginess, blasphemy, pride, and foolishness.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] All these evil things come from within and defile a person.”
Luke 12:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Then He said to them, "Beware, and be on your guard against every form of greed; for not even when one has an abundance does his life consist of his possessions."
Ephesians 5:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints;
Colossians 3:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry.
1 Peter 5:2 (GW)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Be shepherds over the flock God has entrusted to you. Watch over it as God does: Don't do this because you have to, but because you want to. Don't do it out of greed, but out of a desire to serve.
2 Peter 2:1-3 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
2 Peter 2:14 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] They have eyes full of adultery and are always looking for sin. They seduce unstable people and have hearts trained in greed. Children under a curse!
NOW, has not GREED always been a Mark of one who is under the control of Satan? Are not the Antichrist, the Beast, and the False Prophet of Revelation all totally under the control of Satan? Is not desiring to control ALL BUYING AND SELLING, the Mark of the Greediest person that ever lived. Is not chasing after Secret Codes and meanings in the Bible, taking your EYES off of Jesus and the Work of HIS Ministry? WHO WOULD WANT YOU TO DO THAT? What was the BEST example of HOW we are to find out what is TRUE and what IS NOT, given to us by GOD in our Bibles?
Acts 17:11 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
We are to compare Scripture to Scripture, not hunt for Secret Codes and meanings.
And when we compare Scripture to Scripture we come up with "GREED always has been the Mark of one who is under the control of Satan".
How else would this World Dictator control ALL BUYING and SELLING, than a very tiny microchip injected under the skin of the right hand or forehead (perhaps because of right hand amputees). Greedy Corporations already are replacing Check Out Clerks with self Check Out machines, and you KNOW this new technology has the potential to replace ALL Checkout lanes and Clerks with a SINGLE Scanner at the Exit Door. It would BAR those with NO MONEY in their Accounts from even entering the Store, because in an instant they know everything about your bank account, down to the last penny. AND the grab and dash thief will be QUICKLY apprehended, because those biochips have GPS built into them.
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The meaning of the the Mark of the Beast, will reveal its meaning in its time. When the anti-Christ is in power and forcing all great and small to recieve the mark...it will all be very clear.
It is common in bible prophecy for things to become clear as they happen.
In the meantime, all we can do is make intelligent Guess work.
It is common in bible prophecy for things to become clear as they happen.
In the meantime, all we can do is make intelligent Guess work.
Why did you leave out verse 7?
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He[e] is taken out of the way.
Sorry but your proof text doesn't say what you want it say. I don't even think Paul is talking about another man here, not Nero. And if you follow the context of 2 Thessalonians, Paul is refuting that idea that Christ had already came and some thought they had missed it.
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He[e] is taken out of the way.
Sorry but your proof text doesn't say what you want it say. I don't even think Paul is talking about another man here, not Nero. And if you follow the context of 2 Thessalonians, Paul is refuting that idea that Christ had already came and some thought they had missed it.
Aye this is true that not every prophecy is far flung into the future. Though some are if you account from when it is known the prophet lived and when the prophecy was fulfilled, for instance Daniel's prophesy from God that the Medo-Persian Empire be conquered by the king of Grecia, which it was hundreds of years later by Alexander the Great. And of course someo f the prophecies are a little more short-term like many of Elijah's prophecies which came true either immediately after him speaking with some of the more flavorful ones fulfilled a few decades after being taken by God's chariots.
Really just for the fact the name of the whole book, the most famous prophecy this side of the AD, the title I think says it all. The Revelation of Jesus Christ to John.
Jesus indeed came ad proved he is Messiah. The world saw him, but it knew him not. Jesus will come again and all will see him and the heavens shall perish and the lands shall flee before his face. To understand Revelation, just compare parts of it to all the statements about the End of Days throughout the Bible. They all fit together without being broken or breaking eachother. Even the non-prophecy overall narrative of the Bible is unbroken in Revelation. Jesus will come and it shall be glorious, it will be hard before, but its worth it. Don't get lost in just the early parts of Revelation. Read it through to the end, there is a happy ending with Jesus.
Really just for the fact the name of the whole book, the most famous prophecy this side of the AD, the title I think says it all. The Revelation of Jesus Christ to John.
Jesus indeed came ad proved he is Messiah. The world saw him, but it knew him not. Jesus will come again and all will see him and the heavens shall perish and the lands shall flee before his face. To understand Revelation, just compare parts of it to all the statements about the End of Days throughout the Bible. They all fit together without being broken or breaking eachother. Even the non-prophecy overall narrative of the Bible is unbroken in Revelation. Jesus will come and it shall be glorious, it will be hard before, but its worth it. Don't get lost in just the early parts of Revelation. Read it through to the end, there is a happy ending with Jesus.