Mark of the beast is sunday laws.

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i'm not convinced the sunday law is the mark of the beast.

Revelation 13



if we look at our system we are very much enslaved to the government and money etc...

They could turn off our water and food supply.. they control it via money.

After something catastrophic there will be a window of opportunity to really pull rank on the people.

It could come down to die of hunger and thirst if you do not accept our "man made peace".

No matter what remember it is better to die of hunger and thirst in the flesh than to accept the evil as Good.
I linked the webpage remnantofgod.org/mark.htm
We are headed for a cashless society. They will even use national ID cards. Plus the beast was defined for us. Daniel talked about four global kingdoms. Trace them down in history point by point, and you get the little horn is the same as the beast of Rev 13. All the website did, was trace down the prophecies point by point.
 
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i'm not convinced the sunday law is the mark of the beast.

Well, I am 100% convinced that the mark of the beast is not Sunday worship. As you pointed out in Rev 13, They get a mark on the hand and on the forehead. They also worship the beast. A two year old can see that this is not Sunday worship.
Had you read the link remnantofgod.org/mark.htm you would have understood how it gets to your head or hand.
 
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Clearly the mark of the beast has nothing to with anyday. Many say it is chip placed in your hand or forehead. Look, the mark whatever it is cannot be forced, it must be accepted willing and without deceit, the person that accepts it know what they are doing, God is Just enough and He protects His righteousness to the point that no one can stand and say "I didn't know". In fact many teachers in whom I put some weight in say that it must be a tattoo or something similar. Okay so you can't buy or sell without the mark. Many say it's a barcode, well retail giants are running out of barcode combinations, so they are going to rfid chips. You can get one implanted in your pet incase he gets lost and they can track these chips. which is great for inventory.

However, the mark is a mark that you must willing accept. There are places that will not sell to you nor buy your stuff if you are not a member of their club. Kind a like the Union. you can't work where they have control unless you join their group. There are all kinds of theories out there. but, the ones that tie it to being a member of some group or religion make the best sense.
Had you read the webpage i linked to you would have known what receiving it on the hand or forehead means.
 
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The Hebrew Roots Group doesn't teach Sunday worship is the mark of the beast. You might want to look up and see what the topic here is as you're off on a tangent.


Oh, I just thought of yet another denomination or group that keep the sabbath on Saturday: the Hebrew Roots Group! And I'll bet you anything, they have nothing whatsoever to do with the 7th Day Adventists. Oh wait, Sunday keepers have determined them to be an evil cult too. Wow. Wonder why.
 
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You're still making false assertions. The modern heretical teaching of Sunday Worship being the mark of the beast initially arose from Seventh Day Adventism and so it is relevant to this discussion. Part of qualifying information is examining its origin. You need a good logic 101 course. I would bet money you never took one at college. While the heresy was picked up by a couple of other cults as well afterwards by far those I see pushing the heresy are usually SDA members.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/70200-mark-beast-sunday-laws-18.html#post1135602 Here is a post for you
 
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You're maligning God's Word to "prove" your cult's false theology again just as you malign my words.

The speaker in Luke 16:17 is Jesus Christ who "is the end of the law, so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes" (Rom 10:4). Jesus maintained that the proper way to keep any commandment was to fulfill the purpose for which it was given. The law for Jesus was the expression of God’s will which is eternal and unchangeable. Jesus did not come to modify the will of God; Jesus fulfilled it.

As Jesus said in Matthew 5:17, ""Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Not one jot or tittle would pass from the law until all was fulfilled. With Jesus’ death and resurrection, his exaltation and the sending of the Holy Spirit upon the church, that time of fulfillment came. That which the law foreshadowed was now fulfilled. The law had come through Moses, grace and truth now came through Jesus Christ.

In the past the marks of membership of the people of God were being born a Jew (or becoming a proselyte), circumcision (if a male) and obedience to the Mosaic law. But now the marks of membership were faith in Jesus Christ and participation in His Holy Spirit.

Circumcision and observance of the Mosaic Law were no longer required. However, the love of God and love of neighbor, which summed up what the law required, were to be produced in those who had been reborn, have God's morality "written on their heart," and walk in the Spirit. The Mosaic law was no longer their law any more than the Mosaic covenant was still their covenant; however, their scripture (including the law) was still useful for ‘teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness’ (2 Tim. 3:16), as long as it was read paradigmatically. The Apostles John and Paul got the message, you obviously never did.

Paul makes it clear that with Christ's death and resurrection sinners are now declared righteous, not on the basis of their merits in keeping the old covenant Mosaic Sabbath law, but rather on the basis of their standing "in Christ": "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus" (Rom 8:1 RSV; cf. Rom 3:21–31; Gal 3:11; Eph 2:8–9). Jesus doesn't then toss them all into hell anyway for failing to adhere to the external observance of the old covenant Mosaic Sabbath law (which the cult of SDA false theology designed by SDA false prophets teach).

Simply, Jesus never doubted the authority of the Mosaic Law for the time preceding the entrance of the kingdom, and his instructions to followers living in that time will naturally include admonitions to obey those Laws. But Jesus clearly reveal that He transcends it and also that a new era of salvation history is indeed breaking in. This is an era in which Jesus’ own teaching will be the central authority for the people of God and that only in Christ can grace now be found with the Mosaic Law no lnoger having the same position and significance that it had before.

Now Paul wrote the Book of Romans and saw Jesus as “abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations” (Eph 2:15). Through him “we have been released from the law” which once “bound us” (Rom 7:6). Serving “in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6) and seeking to establish his own righteousness (Rom 10:3) had only brought Paul into opposition to the very purpose of God rather than into peace with God.

In Romans 7 he shows that the law as expression of God’s will remains; that it reveals, as ever, human sin and rebellion against God. But he also shows that the law is powerless to bring about obedience. It is an external norm; it does not provide the power with which to achieve the norm. Therefore the attempt to achieve righteousness based on the law (Rom 10:5) invariably ends in the experience of failure. Paul’s summation of this experience is caught up in the words “What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me?” (Rom 7:24). His answer to that question is “Jesus Christ our Lord” (Rom 7:25). Why? Because “Christ is the end of the law.” The word “end” (telos) can designate eitherthe “goal,” “outcome,” “purpose” toward which something is directed, or the “end,” “cessation.” Many Biblical interpreters believe that both meanings are caught up in this text. For Paul, the law “was our custodian until Christ came” (Gal 3:24 RSV). Its temporary function has now been accomplished; and Christ is therefore also the terminus, the cessation of the law.

But Paul is saying much more here than simply repeating the conviction of one aspect of his tradition and the witness of the early church that there is a cessation of the law in the messianic period. He qualifies the conviction that the Mosaic law has been completed and abrogated in Christ with the phrase “unto righteousness.” English translations have not served us well here, for they have generally blunted the connection between the statement “Christ is the end of the law” and the qualifying phrase “unto righteousness.”

The preposition unto expresses purpose or goal. Christ is not the end of the law in an absolute sense. He does not abolish the will of God as expressed in the law. Rather his coming signals its end with regard to the attainment of righteousness (that is, right relationship with God). He is the revelation ofGod’s righteousness (Rom 1:17). His life is an incarnation of God’s relation-restoring action, God’s way of setting us right (Rom 10:3). Therefore, the lawas a means of approach to God, as that which determines relationship with God, as that which was perceived in Paul’s Jewish tradition to lead to life on the basis of conformity, has been abolished.

A third phrase in this text adds a further qualifier to the assertion that Christ is the end of the law. Namely, he is the end of the law “for everyone who believes.” For it is only in the response of faith to Christ, in the humble submission to God’s righteousness (Rom 10:3) that the bondage of the law—consisting of its revelation of sin and its inability to help us beyond it—can come to its end.

Paul provides no grounds for imposing the Hebrew sabbath on the Christian. The Christian is free from the burden because the Spirit of Christ enables him to fulfill God's will apart from external observance. The author of Hebrews likewise speaks of the Hebrew sabbath only as a type of "God's rest," which is theinheritance of all the people of God (Heb 4:1-10). He does not tell his readers to keep the sabbath, but rather urges them to "strive to enter that rest" (4:11).

Such a travel motif becomes all the more related to an eschatological mindset when we recall that Jesus is described in Hebrews 12:2 as the “Pioneer and Perfector” of faith, the one who not only begins but brings to completion the journey of faith. It is difficult not to see the future Parousia of Jesus Christ as the time when his role as “Perfector” is played out, a suggestion which also helps to make sense of the curious declaration made in Hebrews 4:9 about Joshua not giving “rest” to the people of God. It seems certain that the author is playing with the name “Joshua” (Iēsous), seeing the OT character as a prefigurement of the Lord Jesus Christ.

And it was all good for centuries until someone made the mistake of asking a certain William Miller to speak in their church in 1831 which resulted in him making a false prophecy and a small group of people in denial who couldn't accept the fact that the false prophecy failed weaving ridiculous heresys together to try and "prove" that it actually had happened. Rachel Oakes Preston's arrival only got them more lost and in bondage and here we are today with SDA "evangelists" maligning God's Word on CC to "save" everyone by pulling them into their gross hermeneutical error.
I got a passage for you, because mostly you use Paul:
Matthew 7:22-23 "22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "
If paul taught you ever to disregard a precept, than he's gonna be one of those whom Jesus will tell" depart from me ye that work iniquity".
"Sin is the transgression of God's law"- 1 john 3:4. Paul never taught you to break God's law:
"Shall we sin because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid."- romans 6:15
"Do we make void the law through faith? God forbid. We establish it."- romans 3:31

Ephesians 2:15 never said "the law with its commandments". It said "the law contained in ORDINANCES". KJV. I dare not use any other version of the Bible. As for the Law ten commandments, they are now written in your heart (not the assumption that it is written "morally"). The law itself is written in your heart if you were a true follower of God.
I will not excuse my breaking of the law with my faith. I will rather establish the law as Paul declared.
And hebrews 4 is talking about the Sabbath. He says that those that enter into this rest cease from their works, as God did from His, which He did on the seventh day when He created the world which was at the foundation of the world.
If you argue that you can break the Sabbath, then what does Revelation 22:14 mean to you?
Visit the webpage, remnantofgod.org/law.htm
Remnantofgod.org/sabbath.htm
 
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How can we be forgiven of every sin except the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and receiving the mark of the beast? Even the Sabbath creepers must admit Attending church on Sunday can be forgiven, so it can not be the mark of the beast. I have no idea what the mark of the beast is.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit as much as i know is sealing your doom against the influence of the Spirit. Because if you do that, you will never ever turn back to the Lord for true repentance. The Bible says those that receive this mark, cannot be forgiven. The beast has been identified, and we know what his mark is. When the decree goes forth and you obey it, then you get the mark of the beast. Go to the webpage to find out how you take it on the forehead or on the hand. BY THE WAY: you can rest any day you want, but you MUST rest on the Sabbath. When the decree goes forth, that tells you work six days and rest on Sunday, you get the mark of the beast.
 
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You're still making false assertions. The modern heretical teaching of Sunday Worship being the mark of the beast initially arose from Seventh Day Adventism and so it IS relevant to this discussion. If you had taken a logic 101 course in college, you would have learned that an important part of qualifying information is examining its origin. The fact you deliberately choose not to examine the origin of information but instead attack everyone that does clearly shows me you never took that class in college.


If you're going to actually take part in a discussion or debate about keeping the sabbath on Saturday or Sunday without revealing your actual purpose to simply "divert the discussion away from the truth people like myself are sharing" then perhaps you shouldn't make repeated "fallacious ad hominem" attacks on the 7th day Adventists, which once again, have nothing to do with the actual argument.
 

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Many people do not Keep the Sabbath Commandment and will attend church on sunday already in our time.

To say it is something coming is to ignore what has already come. :(

Will there be a squeeze on those that reject this? of course.

Will they be Sabbath Keepers? of course for the dragon is wroth and makes war with the saints.

The saints Keep the Commandments of God and have the Testimony of the Messiah.

But we must not ignore the "cause all" and the "buy" and "sell" it would mean to be part of something... it would mean they who implement it would have control of those things... and like most have said we are working toward a society where fear enables many things to be accepted..

but we must Trust in the Almighty God in all things.
 
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No not mostly I use Paul. That's a false assertion you're making. I was responding to someone who invoked Paul so it was reasonable to include Paul in my response.

It's 2AM here and I'm going to bed so will have to address your quote mining when I return. Au Revoir.

I got a passage for you, because mostly you use Paul:
Matthew 7:22-23 "22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "
If paul taught you ever to disregard a precept, than he's gonna be one of those whom Jesus will tell" depart from me ye that work iniquity".
"Sin is the transgression of God's law"- 1 john 3:4. Paul never taught you to break God's law:
"Shall we sin because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid."- romans 6:15
"Do we make void the law through faith? God forbid. We establish it."- romans 3:31

Ephesians 2:15 never said "the law with its commandments". It said "the law contained in ORDINANCES". KJV. I dare not use any other version of the Bible. As for the Law ten commandments, they are now written in your heart (not the assumption that it is written "morally"). The law itself is written in your heart if you were a true follower of God.
I will not excuse my breaking of the law with my faith. I will rather establish the law as Paul declared.
And hebrews 4 is talking about the Sabbath. He says that those that enter into this rest cease from their works, as God did from His, which He did on the seventh day when He created the world which was at the foundation of the world.
If you argue that you can break the Sabbath, then what does Revelation 22:14 mean to you?
Visit the webpage, remnantofgod.org/law.htm
Remnantofgod.org/sabbath.htm
 
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The issue regarding the mark of the beast will be over worship and the commandments of God. Worship is mentioned 8 times in Revelation 13 & 14. The commandments of God in the third angels message is contrasted with the beast and the image and the mark
 
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You're still making false assertions. The modern heretical teaching of Sunday Worship being the mark of the beast initially arose from Seventh Day Adventism and so it IS relevant to this discussion. If you had taken a logic 101 course in college, you would have learned that an important part of qualifying information is examining its origin. The fact you deliberately choose not to examine the origin of information but instead attack everyone that does clearly shows me you never took that class in college.
I took logic. I learned about logical fallacies. It's already been stated in here that there are those of us that are not 7th day adventists that keep a 7th day sabbath. Hence, the fact that seventh day adventists do this is not applicable to the debate. Even if they were the first to do this, it's not applicable to the debate. Regardless, I couldn't care less what your opinion is on how they interpret scriptures other than what is relevant to this debate. I also don't care how many supposed religious authorites believe whatever. I only care about what scriptures say.

Again, you accuse me of not being educated. That's all it's about with you. Tooting your credentials. You've proven to me that regardless of all your supposed education, you don't understand logical fallacies.
 
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No not mostly I use Paul. That's a false assertion you're making. I was responding to someone who invoked Paul so it was reasonable to include Paul in my response.

It's 2AM here and I'm going to bed so will have to address your quote mining when I return. Au Revoir.
Ok. Sorry. Then you are not using mostly Paul. I apologize. Omit that from my post. I said it because all i have been doing these past three days is responding to replies here. And because arguments here are getting the same, its kinda like i have memorized to reply what i reply. Next time, i will pay much more attention. Forgive me on this one.
 
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No not mostly I use Paul. That's a false assertion you're making. I was responding to someone who invoked Paul so it was reasonable to include Paul in my response.

It's 2AM here and I'm going to bed so will have to address your quote mining when I return. Au Revoir.
Ok. Sorry. Then you are not using mostly Paul. I apologize. Omit that from my post. I said it because all i have been doing these past three days is responding to replies here. And because arguments here are getting the same, its kinda like i have memorized to reply what i reply. Next time, i will pay much more attention. Forgive me on this one. Good night.
 

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The issue regarding the mark of the beast will be over worship and the commandments of God. Worship is mentioned 8 times in Revelation 13 & 14. The commandments of God in the third angels message is contrasted with the beast and the image and the mark
Indeed but how will it be enforced?

what is the ultimatum?

Actually starting to see something being shared among us all here.
 
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what we all are attempting to do is tame the beast. That beast is self. the only way to overcome the beast is by the blood of the Lamb. Many have already taken the mark by trusting in himself.

I would rather be a Sabbath creeper than to trust in myself. Thank God for Jesus Christ and His work at Calvary. with out it mark or not we are all doomed. Thank you Jesus!!!
Kerry you have defined for yourself what the beast is. This is Bible prophecy where "no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation."- 1 peter 1:20
 
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Indeed but how will it be enforced?

what is the ultimatum?

Actually starting to see something being shared among us all here.
Revelation 13:17 (KJV)
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

It is interesting to note that according to this verse people will not be permitted to buy or sell except they have the Mark of the Beast, OR the name of the beast, OR the number of his name. So, according to this then, to not buy or sell we need only have the name of the beast or merely have the number of his name without even having the mark of the beast.
 
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You're still making false assertions. The modern heretical teaching of Sunday Worship being the mark of the beast initially arose from Seventh Day Adventism and so it IS relevant to this discussion. If you had taken a logic 101 course in college, you would have learned that an important part of qualifying information is examining its origin. The fact you deliberately choose not to examine the origin of information but instead attack everyone that does clearly shows me you never took that class in college.
You begin your rebuttal to me with "the modern heretical teaching of the Sunday worship being the Mark of the Beast." "The modern heretical teaching" aspect is your opinion. Heretical according to whom? The teachings of the Church of Christ? If I were to say I'd earned a doctorate degree in a 7th day Adventist college you'd laugh at me. What you say about the Adventist supposed heretical teachings are entirely based on what you learned in your denominational college. So why am I supposed to respect that when I don't believe in the line of thinking that belongs to the Church of Christ?