Mark of the beast is sunday laws.
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In truth, your entire reply here is nothing but fallacious ad hominem to be discarded and constitutes a hypocritical act on your part because you complain about casting stones while engaging in exactly that behavior here in this reply. It's a diversion that's not going to work.
Everything presented by me has been entirely scriptural and based squarely on an orthodox exegesis of scripture which I cited, IS confirmed by the best Bible scholars and Biblical reference materials, and makes perfect sense to educated people like myself. You're making a false assertion in saying otherwise.
This SDA/JV nonsense, on the other hand, is heretical right down to the false prophets and false teachers that invented it. SDA and JV heresy is derived directly from a distortion of God's Word that SDA and JV false prophets and false plagiarizing teachers like Ellen G. White (in the case of the SDA) engaged in and forms the basis for it. Those are SDA's and JV REAL authorities and it's deceitful of you and them to pretend to unsuspecting people that they aren't when you know better. That's called lying by omission.
I don't care if you're a member of the SDA cult or JV cult or not, if you align with their heresy: then you partner with it and this mark of the beast as Sunday worship certainly is a cornerstone of SDA heresy and JV error.
If you were truly educated (I have two masters degrees with an A average one being an M.Div. from a Church of Christ college), you would know this and not falsely assert otherwise.
Now if you have something to say regarding the discussion and are done engaging in ad hominem and making false assertions, that would be great. Otherwise, do us all a favor and take your own stones somewhere else. Thanking you in advance.
Everything presented by me has been entirely scriptural and based squarely on an orthodox exegesis of scripture which I cited, IS confirmed by the best Bible scholars and Biblical reference materials, and makes perfect sense to educated people like myself. You're making a false assertion in saying otherwise.
This SDA/JV nonsense, on the other hand, is heretical right down to the false prophets and false teachers that invented it. SDA and JV heresy is derived directly from a distortion of God's Word that SDA and JV false prophets and false plagiarizing teachers like Ellen G. White (in the case of the SDA) engaged in and forms the basis for it. Those are SDA's and JV REAL authorities and it's deceitful of you and them to pretend to unsuspecting people that they aren't when you know better. That's called lying by omission.
I don't care if you're a member of the SDA cult or JV cult or not, if you align with their heresy: then you partner with it and this mark of the beast as Sunday worship certainly is a cornerstone of SDA heresy and JV error.
If you were truly educated (I have two masters degrees with an A average one being an M.Div. from a Church of Christ college), you would know this and not falsely assert otherwise.
Now if you have something to say regarding the discussion and are done engaging in ad hominem and making false assertions, that would be great. Otherwise, do us all a favor and take your own stones somewhere else. Thanking you in advance.
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Well, I just plain don't agree. I read through everything you posted and I do not agree with your interpretations. That's just all there is to it. I did not say you were a member of some cult; and hence, everything you said should be devalued, as you did the SDAers, of which you have just done again in your response to me. I based my statements on what you said alone.
I think it's very funny that you just did the exact same thing again. I'd barely ever heard of the SDAers before these threads. You're acting as if they alone started this issue or question. I frankly wouldn't care if they did. Again, the question or debate should be based on the argument alone, not on your accusation that these people or anyone for that matter are heretics (in your opinion).
I think it's very funny that you just did the exact same thing again. I'd barely ever heard of the SDAers before these threads. You're acting as if they alone started this issue or question. I frankly wouldn't care if they did. Again, the question or debate should be based on the argument alone, not on your accusation that these people or anyone for that matter are heretics (in your opinion).
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I also see that you're bragging about your education. I won't stoop to that. The Pharisees were very educated in their time and failed entirely to impress Jesus Christ. Wasn't it He that said He would give understanding to the simple and confound the wise? I have learned enough to at least understand what He said in that regard. Your claim to authority means squat to me. It all comes down to who educated you.
P.S. Church of Christ College pretty much says it all.
P.S. Church of Christ College pretty much says it all.
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You are not speaking against me. You spoke against the Bible. I never said salvation is by your works. But being saved in Christ, does not release you from obligation to the ten commandments.
"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid, we establish it "- romans 3:31
"It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail."- luke 16:17
This theology is presumption that you can count breaking the law of God a very light thing.
What can Revelation 22:14 mean to you?
"Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right unto the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city".
"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid, we establish it "- romans 3:31
"It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail."- luke 16:17
This theology is presumption that you can count breaking the law of God a very light thing.
What can Revelation 22:14 mean to you?
"Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right unto the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city".
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Exodus 31:18 KJV
(18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Revelation 11:19 KJV
(19) And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Revelation 15:5 KJV
(5) And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
The tables of testimony are the 10 commandments. Why are the 10 commandments mentioned in the Book of Revelation? They are mentioned as being in heaven, the tabernacle on earth was a copy the original is in heaven. That means the sabbath of the Lord is in there in the book of Revelation. The sabbath of the Lord is written in heaven and seen by John in vision.
Revelation 14:12 KJV
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
So reading the context what are the commandments of God in this text? Because those who keep these commandments will not receive the mark of the beast.
(18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Revelation 11:19 KJV
(19) And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Revelation 15:5 KJV
(5) And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
The tables of testimony are the 10 commandments. Why are the 10 commandments mentioned in the Book of Revelation? They are mentioned as being in heaven, the tabernacle on earth was a copy the original is in heaven. That means the sabbath of the Lord is in there in the book of Revelation. The sabbath of the Lord is written in heaven and seen by John in vision.
Revelation 14:12 KJV
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
So reading the context what are the commandments of God in this text? Because those who keep these commandments will not receive the mark of the beast.
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So when you purchase a scholarly reference on a topic like Biblical archeology, for example, that is published and maintained by an originator such as Oxford, for example, all future discoveries and subsequent revisions to the product are provided at no further cost.
In the old days, we had to actually repurchase the new edition to get access to the new information (if it wasn't available through a library resource)!
But yes, it's an initial investment that most have to seriously sacrifice to receive. The upside; however, is that after the initial investment all subsequent revisions and updates for purchased resources are free forever.
So when you purchase a scholarly reference on a topic like Biblical archeology, for example, that is published and maintained by an originator such as Oxford, for example, all future discoveries and subsequent revisions to the product are provided at no further cost.
In the old days, we had to actually repurchase the new edition to get access to the new information (if it wasn't available through a library resource)!
God bless you brother, let's look at the Bible.
Deut 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
Deut 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
The word "therefore" Deut 5:15 says I should keep the Sabbath only if I or my ancestors were slaves in Egypt. Sabbath has nothing to do with Gentile Christians and it never has.
Deut 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
Deut 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
The word "therefore" Deut 5:15 says I should keep the Sabbath only if I or my ancestors were slaves in Egypt. Sabbath has nothing to do with Gentile Christians and it never has.
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I'm communicating my credentials in response to your ad hominem attack. That's not the same thing as bragging.
Now you are the one that initially started telling me about your education in post #321 in the same breath you lied about my own. That's hypocritical again of you.
It's apparent to me that you are not well educated as Paul instructed Timothy to be in 2 Timothy 2:15 even though you claimed "I am educated" in post #321 and so have chosen to resort back to making personal attacks. Everything about your behavior in these replies is hypocritical and serves only one purpose: to divert the discussion away from the truth people like myself are sharing.
After Timothy followed Paul's advice in 2 Timothy 2:15, he was not afterwards a Pharisee and neither am I. The "Pharisees" in this discussion are the legalists distorting God's Word with their false condemning Sunday is the mark of the beast nonsense. That would be YOU not me for the purposes of this discussion.
Now you are the one that initially started telling me about your education in post #321 in the same breath you lied about my own. That's hypocritical again of you.
It's apparent to me that you are not well educated as Paul instructed Timothy to be in 2 Timothy 2:15 even though you claimed "I am educated" in post #321 and so have chosen to resort back to making personal attacks. Everything about your behavior in these replies is hypocritical and serves only one purpose: to divert the discussion away from the truth people like myself are sharing.
After Timothy followed Paul's advice in 2 Timothy 2:15, he was not afterwards a Pharisee and neither am I. The "Pharisees" in this discussion are the legalists distorting God's Word with their false condemning Sunday is the mark of the beast nonsense. That would be YOU not me for the purposes of this discussion.
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Reread my posts. I made no personal attacks. I only accused you of exactly what you're guilty of, and that's of attacking a group or denomination that believes in keeping sabbath on Saturday based not on their arguments in this regard, but on the fact that you believe and others like you that they are members of a cult. You obviously just can't take that, because it's the truth. Then in this post, you say I'm making false accusations about your call to authority based on all your supposed education at the same time you turn around and accuse me of obviously not being educated "enough?"
Obviously, my point went right over your over-educated head.
Obviously, my point went right over your over-educated head.
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It's a starting point for the serious student. I started collecting scholarly resources years ago which I scanned into pdf format making them searchable. You can search all pdfs at once, by subject folder, or a single resource. This sort of software compliments that type of library perfectly because it gives you easy access to newer resources to compliment the older ones.
But yes, it's an initial investment that most have to seriously sacrifice to receive. The upside; however, is that after the initial investment all subsequent revisions and updates for purchased resources are free forever.
So when you purchase a scholarly reference on a topic like Biblical archeology, for example, that is published and maintained by an originator such as Oxford, for example, all future discoveries and subsequent revisions to the product are provided at no further cost.
In the old days, we had to actually repurchase the new edition to get access to the new information (if it wasn't available through a library resource)!
But yes, it's an initial investment that most have to seriously sacrifice to receive. The upside; however, is that after the initial investment all subsequent revisions and updates for purchased resources are free forever.
So when you purchase a scholarly reference on a topic like Biblical archeology, for example, that is published and maintained by an originator such as Oxford, for example, all future discoveries and subsequent revisions to the product are provided at no further cost.
In the old days, we had to actually repurchase the new edition to get access to the new information (if it wasn't available through a library resource)!
i'm not convinced the sunday law is the mark of the beast.
Revelation 13
if we look at our system we are very much enslaved to the government and money etc...
They could turn off our water and food supply.. they control it via money.
After something catastrophic there will be a window of opportunity to really pull rank on the people.
It could come down to die of hunger and thirst if you do not accept our "man made peace".
No matter what remember it is better to die of hunger and thirst in the flesh than to accept the evil as Good.
Revelation 13
if we look at our system we are very much enslaved to the government and money etc...
They could turn off our water and food supply.. they control it via money.
After something catastrophic there will be a window of opportunity to really pull rank on the people.
It could come down to die of hunger and thirst if you do not accept our "man made peace".
No matter what remember it is better to die of hunger and thirst in the flesh than to accept the evil as Good.
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If you're going to actually take part in a discussion or debate about keeping the sabbath on Saturday or Sunday without revealing your actual purpose to simply "divert the discussion away from the truth people like myself are sharing" then perhaps you shouldn't make repeated "fallacious ad hominem" attacks on the 7th day Adventists, which once again, have nothing to do with the actual argument.