Mary the mother of my Lord (Heresy?)

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Kefa52

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Jesus is God.

First commandment..Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Jesus allowed Himself to be worshiped, simply because He was God "manifest in the flesh":
While he spoke these things to them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshiped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay your hand upon her, and she shall live
—Matthew 9:18
Then they that were in the ship came and worshiped him, saying, Of a truth you are the Son of God
—Matthew 14:33
Then she came and worshiped him, saying, Lord, help me
—Matthew 15:25
And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshiped him
—Matthew 28:9
When they saw him, they worshiped him: but some doubted
—Matthew 28:17
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He received their worship because He was…
…the image of the invisible God…
—Colossians 1:15) …God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory…​
 
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Kefa52

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Mary was the mother of the flesh for Christ. Not the mother of God in him..... My mother is the mother of my flesh but not my spirit.
 
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Kefa52 said:
Mary was the mother of the flesh for Christ. Not the mother of God in him..... My mother is the mother of my flesh but not my spirit.
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Mary is the mother of God the Son, the second person in the Trinity, the word made flesh.

Jesus body and soul are one in the same, you can not divide Him.
 
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Kefa52

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Sorry Rock22 your avatar creaps me out. How can I take you seriously.

2nd commandmwnt....Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
 
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mark54

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Maynard said:
East and West essentially hold the same beliefs about Purgatory. Things come down essentially to language. The East uses Greek to describe their theology and there is no Greek word for purgatory as there is in Latin (purgatorium) which is used in the West. Instead of calling this transitional state from life to death "purgatory, the East calls it "Final Theosis".
The two essential points concerning purgatory, and both sides agree with them, are:
1) There is a place of transition/transformation for those en-route to Heaven, and 2) prayer is efficacious for the dead who are in this state.
The Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Churches agree with the Latin Church fully on both of these points.
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May I ask concerning purgatory? We sin in the body/the flesh.

Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven(1Cor15:50)

The Body of flesh does not go to be with the Lord (2Cor5:6&8)

Why would that which will not enter Heaven, need to go to purgatory to be purged/cleansed of sin? For it will never enter Heaven
 
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quickfire

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What u meant Englishman?
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Mama mia . Haha this away haha that way.

Oh my Jacobs.

Oh sugar .

Oh blooming ech.

Oh for crying out loud. Mama mia......

The. Clingons ön the starby tran scotie beam Me up.
 
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quickfire said:
Mama mia . Haha this away haha that way.

Oh my Jacobs.

Oh sugar .

Oh blooming ech.

Oh for crying out loud. Mama mia......

The. Clingons ön the starby tran scotie beam Me up.
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What ever...
Our mothers are mothers of our flesh.That is case with Theotokos also,right?
 
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quickfire

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Errr. Ok fred.

Gone fishing köo köo..

Why catholic bible bible have many books that the New testement does not have..???
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Maynard East and West essentially hold the same beliefs about Purgatory. Things come down essentially to language. The East uses Greek to describe their theology and there is no Greek word for purgatory as there is in Latin (purgatorium) which is used in the West. Instead of calling this transitional state from life to death "purgatory, the East calls it "Final Theosis".
The two essential points concerning purgatory, and both sides agree with them, are: 1) There is a place of transition/ transformation for those en-route to Heaven, and 2) prayer is efficacious for the dead who are in this state. The Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Churches agree with the Latin Church fully on both of these points. May I ask concerning purgatory? We sin in the body/the flesh. Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven(1Cor15:50) The Body of flesh does not go to be with the Lord (2Cor5:6&8) Why would that which will not enter Heaven, need to go to purgatory to be purged/cleansed of sin? For it will never enter Heaven.
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Ok,let me try to explain.
Orthodox do their prayers for their departed,because of simple Truth:power of prayer is UNLIMITED.
Another simple Truth is 2000years of the Church,which had revelations from Heavens which says:soul can get much benefits from mentioning at Divine Liturgy,giving food for mercy on soul of departed(Orthodox do that at graves) and prayers for departed(comemoration).

Nothing similar to Purgatory isn't mentioned in Orthodoxy.Purgatory-cleaning-cistiliste(on Serbian),we have that word,that isn't something complicate,but that isn't teaching of Orthodox Church.
 
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mark54

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Geometar said:
Quote: Originally Posted by Maynard East and West essentially hold the same beliefs about Purgatory. Things come down essentially to language. The East uses Greek to describe their theology and there is no Greek word for purgatory as there is in Latin (purgatorium) which is used in the West. Instead of calling this transitional state from life to death "purgatory, the East calls it "Final Theosis".
The two essential points concerning purgatory, and both sides agree with them, are: 1) There is a place of transition/ transformation for those en-route to Heaven, and 2) prayer is efficacious for the dead who are in this state. The Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Churches agree with the Latin Church fully on both of these points. May I ask concerning purgatory? We sin in the body/the flesh. Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven(1Cor15:50) The Body of flesh does not go to be with the Lord (2Cor5:6&8) Why would that which will not enter Heaven, need to go to purgatory to be purged/cleansed of sin? For it will never enter Heaven.
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Ok,let me try to explain.
Orthodox do their prayers for their departed,because of simple Truth:power of prayer is UNLIMITED.
Another simple Truth is 2000years of the Church,which had revelations from Heavens which says:soul can get much benefits from mentioning at Divine Liturgy,giving food for mercy on soul of departed(Orthodox do that at graves) and prayers for departed(comemoration).

Nothing similar to Purgatory isn't mentioned in Orthodoxy.Purgatory-cleaning-cistiliste(on Serbian),we have that word,that isn't something complicate,but that isn't teaching of Orthodox Church.
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Are you saying in your orthodox church purgatory is not official belief, am I understanding you correctly? But in the main RC church it is?

Sorry if I am a bit slow here
 
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Geometar

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mark54 said:
Are you saying in your orthodox church purgatory is not official belief, am I understanding you correctly? But in the main RC church it is?

Sorry if I am a bit slow here
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I don't understand what is porpouse of purgatory.
Orthodox Church do not teaching about purgatory.That do not exist for her.
 
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mark54

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Geometar said:
I don't understand what is porpouse of purgatory.
Orthodox Church do not teaching about purgatory.That do not exist for her.
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Thanks, sorry for being slow, I don't know much about the split between RC and your church
 
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