Matthew 5. Regarding the Law and the Prophets

[miknik5]

There is a current thread discussing if Jesus intended HIS people to be a "religion of the book". There seems to be a lot of back and forth difference in opinion regarding the necessity of reading and understanding of what GOD's written WORD says

Please refer to the below scriptures and let's discuss what CHRIST said and meant by THE SPIRIT regarding the written WORD:





Matthew 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[JaumeJ]

Jesus went on to teach if anyone teaches aginst the least of the laws tha person will be least in heaven....

He does not say that person will not be allowed in heaven, thanks be to our Lord.

We are studying the gospels here, and this is just one aspect from our Master.

I believe if any study His teaching throughout the Gospels on the law, how He obeyed it, and how He explains it all, much would be made clear.

Unhappily, the vast majority prefer to pick a line her and a line ther from Paul's teaching to specific assembilies with their particular difficulties in practice of what Jesus christ teaches, than to learn directly from the teaching of Jesus christ given us all freely in the Word.

Paul is the first to say there is no other gospel than that given by Jesus Christ, and if anyone tries to present another may he be cursed.....those are strong words from Paul, take heed all.

The easies approach in understanding what our Lord is teaching us is simple, first study the laws written down and delivered by Moses. Second, read and see just how almost all are fulfilled by Jesus christ. If you do not understand this, you cannot speak on what is still valid.

Jesus demonstrates what he taught the Pharisees in applying faith, mercy and justice to the honest application of the law.

We are saved by grace and mercy, never by any personal performance but being saved by the Blood of Jesus christ is never license to disobey.

If you love perfectly, and only God truly does this, you fulfill the law.......impossible for any other than Jesus, but know it.

Yet disobeying the law is sin for sin is breaking the law, therefor learn just how the law and obedience function under grace and mercy, otherwise your understanding being taught is an annoying endeavor that will trap and deceive some who love Jesus Christ, but not permanently, thanks be to our SAvior, amen.

 

[Issachar92]

This has puzzled me ever since i became a christian. When i started reading the bible on my own and i read this in matthew how i thought it was: "Yup, we gotta keep the old testament law still, clearly"
And then I had the idea driven into me that this was still old covenant since Jesus hadnt died yet and its for the jews and all this.
But in my own mind it is FOREVER saying we should keep the law, but I still dont keep the law and sometimes i feel bad for it, and i think that because nobody else keeps it either i just misunderstood that passage.

I dunno, i havent heard any credible explanations to this, its always the love God and love your neighbor explanation, but wait a minute now, thats what the law of the OT tells us to do and how the 10 commandments are split forexample.

If anyone has a good explanation for how we dont need to keep the law, im all ears.

 

[miknik5]

By THE NEW COVENANT, HIS writing HIS LAWS in our heart and in our mind, and giving us of HIS SPIRIT ensures that we handle the written Law rightly

The Pharisees were "perfect" according to the written requirements of the law, but they lacked GOD's SPIRIT

They did not know how to combine the detached checklist of the law with the THE SPIRIT (requirements) of the LAW and thereby ran the risk of misrepresenting GOD

unless "our righteousness"???? exceed that of the Pharisees?

but what does Jeremiah say in Chapter 31?

and how can one even see the kingdom of GOD?

 

[miknik5]

The written Law and the prophecies of the prophets does not contradict THE SPIRIT of GOD

One must be born again

and right now, Pharisees who believe that they follow the law rightly yet reject the new covenant?
they can't declare their own righteousness

and those born of HIS SPIRIT, won't declare their own righteousness

 

[miknik5]

HIS WORD is a double edged sword

 

[JaumeJ]

This "for the Jew" is something to meditate on for those who taught you such.

Jesus came to save the children of chosen people first and He came to gather to them the "other flock" The nations are the other flock of course.

Now if Jesus Christ is teaching the gospel throughout His ministry, and I believe He is, how is it, according to those brainwashers, they say what He is teaching them is only for them? After all, the Gospel of Jesus Christ was first taught to Abraham according to the New Testament.....

Jesus is revealing a mystery to us about the law. Most folks do not repeat how God says He gave us statures and ordineces that are band and should nto be followed. We learn the goodness in all manner if we learn from Jesus christ.

He tells us to learn of Him for His syoke is easy, His burden is light..... To teach we are not to be obedient according to Jesus Christ is in err.....

This has puzzled me ever since i became a christian. When i started reading the bible on my own and i read this in matthew how i thought it was: "Yup, we gotta keep the old testament law still, clearly"
And then I had the idea driven into me that this was still old covenant since Jesus hadnt died yet and its for the jews and all this.
But in my own mind it is FOREVER saying we should keep the law, but I still dont keep the law and sometimes i feel bad for it, and i think that because nobody else keeps it either i just misunderstood that passage.

I dunno, i havent heard any credible explanations to this, its always the love God and love your neighbor explanation, but wait a minute now, thats what the law of the OT tells us to do and how the 10 commandments are split forexample.

If anyone has a good explanation for how we dont need to keep the law, im all ears.

 

[miknik5]

This has puzzled me ever since i became a christian. When i started reading the bible on my own and i read this in matthew how i thought it was: "Yup, we gotta keep the old testament law still, clearly"
And then I had the idea driven into me that this was still old covenant since Jesus hadnt died yet and its for the jews and all this.
But in my own mind it is FOREVER saying we should keep the law, but I still dont keep the law and sometimes i feel bad for it, and i think that because nobody else keeps it either i just misunderstood that passage.

I dunno, i havent heard any credible explanations to this, its always the love God and love your neighbor explanation, but wait a minute now, thats what the law of the OT tells us to do and how the 10 commandments are split forexample.

If anyone has a good explanation for how we dont need to keep the law, im all ears.

The WORD of GOD already declared all unclean
there will be no one who will open their mourhs before GOD on that day to declare themselves

it's by faith and hope alone on THE ONE whom THE FATHER sent that we are saved

Now a "righteousness" is made known which is from faith to faith...from first to last

This, as Jaime said, does not give us a license to sin as some suppose because we were purchased at a dear price
HE told us that in this world we would have trouble but to take heart for HE has overcome the world

HE has

and we are to remain steadfast in what we began in and to press on, not to fall back, and we aren't if those who shrink back, but press on, praying for one another and encouraging one another until we all reach the UNITY of FAITH

A mature steadfast FAITH directed in and on CHRIST alone

1 John 5 tells us who it is who has overcome the world

and this is even our faith

 

[miknik5]

This "for the Jew" is something to meditate on for those who taught you such.

Jesus came to save the children of chosen people first and He came to gather to them the "other flock" The nations are the other flock of course.

Now if Jesus Christ is teaching the gospel throughout His ministry, and I believe He is, how is it, according to those brainwashers, they say what He is teaching them is only for them? After all, the Gospel of Jesus Christ was first taught to Abraham according to the New Testament.....

Jesus is revealing a mystery to us about the law. Most folks do not repeat how God says He gave us statures and ordineces that are band and should nto be followed. We learn the goodness in all manner if we learn from Jesus christ.

He tells us to learn of Him for His syoke is easy, His burden is light..... To teach we are not to be obedient according to Jesus Christ is in err.....

Romans tells us that none will be justified by the law because the Word of God already said all are unclean, there is none who does right all the time and does not sin, from the tip of their head to the soles of their feet, open wounds


and then the prophet Isaiah says:

Come to me all you who are thirsty. Come and drink and eat the best of fare without COST

 

[miknik5]

Please forgive my typos, I am on a small handheld device and I need to slow down

my fingers are faster than auto correct!

LOL

 

[John146]

Now if Jesus Christ is teaching the gospel throughout His ministry, and I believe He is, how is it, according to those brainwashers, they say what He is teaching them is only for them? After all, the Gospel of Jesus Christ was first taught to Abraham according to the New Testament.....

Could you post some Scripture where Jesus and His disciples were going around preaching the gospel of the death, burial and resurrection for sins to the Jews during His earthly ministry? You do realize that even His disciples had no clue about His death and resurrection...

 

[Issachar92]

This "for the Jew" is something to meditate on for those who taught you such.

Jesus came to save the children of chosen people first and He came to gather to them the "other flock" The nations are the other flock of course.

Now if Jesus Christ is teaching the gospel throughout His ministry, and I believe He is, how is it, according to those brainwashers, they say what He is teaching them is only for them? After all, the Gospel of Jesus Christ was first taught to Abraham according to the New Testament.....

Jesus is revealing a mystery to us about the law. Most folks do not repeat how God says He gave us statures and ordineces that are band and should nto be followed. We learn the goodness in all manner if we learn from Jesus christ.

He tells us to learn of Him for His syoke is easy, His burden is light..... To teach we are not to be obedient according to Jesus Christ is in err.....

do you keep the parts of the law like wearing tassels? dietary laws etc?

 

[miknik5]

There's LIVJNG WATER to be given to those who know THE GIFT of GOD

What is THIS GIFT?

john 4 will explain
HE said this to a Gentile woman!
as well, of you didnt understand then, John 7 HE repeats the same message to the Jews

but it is the same message:

COME TO ME

then we can discuss John 5 reminding the Jew that it is scripture which speaks of HIM, and they think that by this we have LIFE, yet we refuse to COME TO HIM

THE WORD does not contradict THE WORD made flesh

 

[miknik5]

do you keep the parts of the law like wearing tassels? dietary laws etc?

Will that be a good witness of CHRIST?

 

[Spokenpassage]

I want throw a quick answer from some older sources before I begin work.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but (g) to fulfil."

Christ did not come to bring any new way of righteousness and salvation into the world, but indeed to fulfil that which was shadowed by the figures of the Law, by delivering men through grace from the curse of the Law: and moreover to teach the true use of obedience which the Law appointed, and to engrave in our hearts the power for obedience. (g) That the prophecies may be accomplished.

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the (h) least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven"

He begins with the true expounding of the Law, and sets it against the old (but yet false) teachings of the scribes: He is in no way abolishing the least commandment of his Father (h) He shall have no place in the Church.


- Geneva Bible

 

[miknik5]

Remember THE TESTIMONY of JESUS is THE SPIRIT of PROPHECY

Every written WORD of GOD was to point us to THE SON (WORD) of GOD

 

[posthuman]

were we baptized into Moses?

did we enter into the mt. Sinai covenant?

 

[miknik5]

Could you post some Scripture where Jesus and His disciples were going around preaching the gospel of the death, burial and resurrection for sins to the Jews during His earthly ministry? You do realize that even His disciples had no clue about His death and resurrection...

How many KINGDOMS Of GOD are there
How many FOUNDATIONS and how many HOUSES?

do you think the Jews are waiting for "zerubabbel"
or has ZERUBABBEL already come and they just don't know it....yet?

 

[miknik5]

were we baptized into Moses?

did we enter into the mt. Sinai covenant?

HI!!!!
how are you?
good to see you!

 

[posthuman]

HI!!!!
how are you?
good to see you!

i am well thank you ♥

have been busy with work, keeping me away from the forums. which is good, because previously when i was more active, a lot of it had to do with health troubles keeping me homebound.