Maybe the Pauline Epistles Shouldn't be in the Bible
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Our ministry ministers to these so called demonized folks and our work has shown us that many turn to this lifestyle because of past sexual abuses, like same sex child molestation, sex trafficking and then same sex trafficking and other sexual related abuses they have walked through. Many that have walked through sex trafficking were abducted as kids or ran away and were abducted and many say the same thing. They were drugged to keep their behavior moderated and to keep them engaging in hetero and homosexual acts and to insure they could never escape.
There are many that are demonized and fit Romans 1 for sure, but we find that those of a depraved mind and enjoy the carnality of same sex and heterosexual sin, have no desire to come to Jesus as others that fit the above profile. Many in the above profile have no demon at all and are under such complete shame, condemnation and guilt they often take their own lives. When they get the perfect love of God they are made whole.
To say they are all is outright assumption and aggrandizing on your part and totally wrong and an outright lie. This also proves you have zero experience ministering to these people. Maybe you ought to be quiet and thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
There are many that are demonized and fit Romans 1 for sure, but we find that those of a depraved mind and enjoy the carnality of same sex and heterosexual sin, have no desire to come to Jesus as others that fit the above profile. Many in the above profile have no demon at all and are under such complete shame, condemnation and guilt they often take their own lives. When they get the perfect love of God they are made whole.
To say they are all is outright assumption and aggrandizing on your part and totally wrong and an outright lie. This also proves you have zero experience ministering to these people. Maybe you ought to be quiet and thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
contrary to your dispensation viewpoints the new covenant was not for gentiles, until we were grafted in. The New Covenant was originally for the Jews. there is no gentile gospel and no jew gospel, there is the only gospel for the entire world.
This is not an invitation for for you to blast me with your take on dispensation and replacement theology.
This is not an invitation for for you to blast me with your take on dispensation and replacement theology.
I see no problem with anything that the Apostle Paul wrote. Every word is inspired by God.
Those who confuse what he says, usually are trying to justify a pet doctrine. If you want to understand a particular verse, read the whole chapter. If you still don't understand it, read the chapter before and the chapter after it. If you still don't understand it, read the whole book containing it. If you still have a problem, take it to the Lord in prayer. If you don't have the correct answer, you need to listen for The Lord's reply.
If you want to understand how the books accepted in the Bible got there, I suggest F. F. Bruce's, "The Cannon of Scripture".
Those who confuse what he says, usually are trying to justify a pet doctrine. If you want to understand a particular verse, read the whole chapter. If you still don't understand it, read the chapter before and the chapter after it. If you still don't understand it, read the whole book containing it. If you still have a problem, take it to the Lord in prayer. If you don't have the correct answer, you need to listen for The Lord's reply.
If you want to understand how the books accepted in the Bible got there, I suggest F. F. Bruce's, "The Cannon of Scripture".
There is nothing wrong with Paul's writings,and they harmonize with the rest of the Bible.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
God's purpose is to gather the world together to go against Jersualem,which is when God allows the world to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow a kingdom that acknowledges no God,which is in the future,which the beast has power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues,and that kingdom shall devour the earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,and when that kingdom persecutes the saints for three and one half years,all the saints that remain shall be gathered unto Christ,and those before that,to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
Then the world attacks Jerusalem,because God turned Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,and God comes back with His saints and saves Israel,and defeats the world.
The saints must of been caught up off this earth to be with Jesus,to come back with Him when He comes to save Israel,and defeat the world,which the Bible says that the way Jesus ascended,is the way He will descend,which He was on the Mount of Olives,and God will step down on the Mount of Olives,and fight the world.
There are souls under the altar in heaven saying,when will you avenge us Lord,and He said when all the saints are gathered unto Him,and then He will come back with the saints and defeat the world,and save Israel.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
God's purpose is to gather the world together to go against Jersualem,which is when God allows the world to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow a kingdom that acknowledges no God,which is in the future,which the beast has power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues,and that kingdom shall devour the earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,and when that kingdom persecutes the saints for three and one half years,all the saints that remain shall be gathered unto Christ,and those before that,to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
Then the world attacks Jerusalem,because God turned Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,and God comes back with His saints and saves Israel,and defeats the world.
The saints must of been caught up off this earth to be with Jesus,to come back with Him when He comes to save Israel,and defeat the world,which the Bible says that the way Jesus ascended,is the way He will descend,which He was on the Mount of Olives,and God will step down on the Mount of Olives,and fight the world.
There are souls under the altar in heaven saying,when will you avenge us Lord,and He said when all the saints are gathered unto Him,and then He will come back with the saints and defeat the world,and save Israel.
Not only Paul's writings II Peter 3:15-16 "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures."
They not only twist what Paul writes but the other Scriptures as well.
They not only twist what Paul writes but the other Scriptures as well.
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
This does not suggest that Paul's writings are hard but rather the things he speaks of are sometimes hard to understand. So Paul talks about topics form the OT that can be hard to understand but God has given Paul wisdom to speak about them:
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
But those who twist it are those who twist the scriptures/OT
But note the things that are hard to understand are these:
"And account that the long suffering of our Lord is salvation" this is what Paul wrote about that is hard to understand and it comes from the OT. Also read the verses that come beforehand they are about the end of time these are the things Peter is referring to which Paul also wrote about and are hard to understand.
This does not suggest that Paul's writings are hard but rather the things he speaks of are sometimes hard to understand. So Paul talks about topics form the OT that can be hard to understand but God has given Paul wisdom to speak about them:
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
But those who twist it are those who twist the scriptures/OT
But note the things that are hard to understand are these:
"And account that the long suffering of our Lord is salvation" this is what Paul wrote about that is hard to understand and it comes from the OT. Also read the verses that come beforehand they are about the end of time these are the things Peter is referring to which Paul also wrote about and are hard to understand.
The only instaces, actually the many instances of turmoil and contention whendealing with Paul's letters occur when people overlook he is addressing some specific problems of an specific assembly. Of times, almost always, he is dealing with local customs that cause the appearance of evil for the weak in faith.
Älso there is much friction when dealing with anyparticular subject, that is particuilar subject, that Jesus Christ has already made clear yet the words of Paul seem to conflict.
I have no problem reading Paul's letters, but the teachings of the Master are always first and foremost in my heart , mind and soul. Also, if you do believe Paul, pay attention to him when he declares there is but one gosple, that being the gospel of Jesus Christ, and know Paul would not knowingly teach agains the teachings of the Master, Jesus christ.
Just a footnote to this post, if we learn from Jesus Christ, Himself, as we are invited to do, He always gives us rest, always. He promises this for His burden is light and His yoke is easy.....read and learn this! It's in the Boo,
Älso there is much friction when dealing with anyparticular subject, that is particuilar subject, that Jesus Christ has already made clear yet the words of Paul seem to conflict.
I have no problem reading Paul's letters, but the teachings of the Master are always first and foremost in my heart , mind and soul. Also, if you do believe Paul, pay attention to him when he declares there is but one gosple, that being the gospel of Jesus Christ, and know Paul would not knowingly teach agains the teachings of the Master, Jesus christ.
Just a footnote to this post, if we learn from Jesus Christ, Himself, as we are invited to do, He always gives us rest, always. He promises this for His burden is light and His yoke is easy.....read and learn this! It's in the Boo,
While on the subject a very good example of Paul teaching a regional tradition is when he declared that he did not allow women to go with their heads uncovered....... This is, as far as I am concerned, to satisfy the teaching of abstaining from any appearance of evil.
That is to say, it is done for the benefit of the observers.
After all we are free of the curse that accompanies sthe law. Are we not?
That is to say, it is done for the benefit of the observers.
After all we are free of the curse that accompanies sthe law. Are we not?
That believer has no right to call you dummy when he had gotten that wisdom & knowledge from the Lord. You can too.
James 1:[SUP]5 [/SUP]If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Jesus spoke of the rapture by warning believers to be ready or else be cut off to have their portions with unbelievers when that fire comes on the earth after the pre trib rapture in Luke 12:40-49
Jesus testified that this rapture will come in a time when it is not under the oppressive reign of the mark of the beast system of the great tribulation where saints are being persecuted & killed for not having the mark to buy & sell to survive in that new world order. He described this time where believers are free to buy & sell and be involved in the cares of this life wherein they can be tempted to excuse themselves from coming to the King's Supper for the cares of this life or a loved one in Luke 14:15-24.
Jesus expounded on that parable by explaining the cost of discipleship is to be ready to give up all possessions and loved ones when the Bridegroom comes in leaving this life on earth; Luke 14:25-33
Jesus explained again the warning by referencing Lot's wife below: do note the liberty which believers can eat and drink.
Luke 17:[SUP]28 [/SUP]Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;[SUP] 29 [/SUP]But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 31In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Remember Lot's wife. [SUP]33 [/SUP]Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. [SUP]34 [/SUP]I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. [SUP]37 [/SUP]And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. KJV
Some versions has eagles switched out with vultures which is a wrong translation and message since it is out of topic for what Jesus was warning believers to be ready for; and that is to escape what is coming on the earth.
Again...
Luke 21:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. [SUP]34 [/SUP]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. [SUP]35 [/SUP]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
You know how bad it will be during the great tribulation and even worse towards the end of it before the King of kings comes back, and so it goes against all logic and reasoning that His warnings are for a time of the great tribulation that is hardly tempting to believers to not want to leave when Jesus Christ comes.
Why the pre trib rapture? Because of the falling away from the faith ( 2 Thessalonians 2nd chapter & 1 Timothy 4:1-2 ) is why God is judging His House first ( 1 Peter 4:17-19 ) as we can entrust the keeping of the souls of those saints that gets left behind to suffer the coming fire on the earth and the subsequent great tribulation as a result.
The rapture is God excommunicating those not abiding in Him as His disciples by His grace & by His help. By trusting Him as their Good Shepherd to help them discern & to depart from iniquity in walking in the light with Him in running that race, a saved believer has hope in Him to not only be ready to go but be willing to go too.
If the purpose is seen here for why a church excommunicates an unrepentant believer, then that is what God is doing in casting the disqualified unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that their spirit may be saved in the day of Christ.
1 Corinthians 5:[SUP]4 [/SUP]In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,[SUP]5 [/SUP]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
So.. no. The Pauline epistles BELONGS in the Bible as Jesus can confirm what Paul is saying for why we should be leaning on Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us walk in the light and to help us be ready & willing to go when the Bridegroom comes.
James 1:[SUP]5 [/SUP]If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Jesus spoke of the rapture by warning believers to be ready or else be cut off to have their portions with unbelievers when that fire comes on the earth after the pre trib rapture in Luke 12:40-49
Jesus testified that this rapture will come in a time when it is not under the oppressive reign of the mark of the beast system of the great tribulation where saints are being persecuted & killed for not having the mark to buy & sell to survive in that new world order. He described this time where believers are free to buy & sell and be involved in the cares of this life wherein they can be tempted to excuse themselves from coming to the King's Supper for the cares of this life or a loved one in Luke 14:15-24.
Jesus expounded on that parable by explaining the cost of discipleship is to be ready to give up all possessions and loved ones when the Bridegroom comes in leaving this life on earth; Luke 14:25-33
Jesus explained again the warning by referencing Lot's wife below: do note the liberty which believers can eat and drink.
Luke 17:[SUP]28 [/SUP]Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;[SUP] 29 [/SUP]But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 31In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Remember Lot's wife. [SUP]33 [/SUP]Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. [SUP]34 [/SUP]I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. [SUP]37 [/SUP]And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. KJV
Some versions has eagles switched out with vultures which is a wrong translation and message since it is out of topic for what Jesus was warning believers to be ready for; and that is to escape what is coming on the earth.
Again...
Luke 21:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. [SUP]34 [/SUP]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. [SUP]35 [/SUP]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
You know how bad it will be during the great tribulation and even worse towards the end of it before the King of kings comes back, and so it goes against all logic and reasoning that His warnings are for a time of the great tribulation that is hardly tempting to believers to not want to leave when Jesus Christ comes.
Why the pre trib rapture? Because of the falling away from the faith ( 2 Thessalonians 2nd chapter & 1 Timothy 4:1-2 ) is why God is judging His House first ( 1 Peter 4:17-19 ) as we can entrust the keeping of the souls of those saints that gets left behind to suffer the coming fire on the earth and the subsequent great tribulation as a result.
The rapture is God excommunicating those not abiding in Him as His disciples by His grace & by His help. By trusting Him as their Good Shepherd to help them discern & to depart from iniquity in walking in the light with Him in running that race, a saved believer has hope in Him to not only be ready to go but be willing to go too.
If the purpose is seen here for why a church excommunicates an unrepentant believer, then that is what God is doing in casting the disqualified unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that their spirit may be saved in the day of Christ.
1 Corinthians 5:[SUP]4 [/SUP]In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,[SUP]5 [/SUP]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
So.. no. The Pauline epistles BELONGS in the Bible as Jesus can confirm what Paul is saying for why we should be leaning on Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us walk in the light and to help us be ready & willing to go when the Bridegroom comes.