Melchizedek

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Lafftur

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The Ox/Calf - The Priest - It is God’s Will to meet ALL our needs. It’s our Father’s Will that we not struggle but supply all our needs.

The disobedient Israelites built a golden calf because they wanted a god to meet all their needs in the wilderness.

On Earth, Yeshua/Jesus showed us that The Father wants to meet all our needs by feeding the people with 5 loaves and 2 fish, pulling money out of a fishes mouth to pay taxes, healing the sick....
 

Lafftur

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Ok, thanks for being non sensical.
Oh, sorry. The Bible is The Word of God.....Yeshua/Jesus is The Word of God.

Yeshua/Jesus is The Bread of Life, The True Manna from Heaven.

Basically, the Bible is like a parable ....lots of stories and events that have spiritual hidden meanings that can ONLY be known by the Holy Spirit.

This is why Yeshua/Jesus would often say after a parable, “He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit is saying.”

The Word/Bread/Manna was saying ......”It’s a secret....did you get the hidden manna?”
 

Lafftur

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But were does scripture state this? To be honest I never heard of this.
Chapter 4 of Revelations describes these 4 living creatures but does not tell you their purpose.

Understanding the depth and hidden things in scripture ONLY comes from The Holy Spirit.
 

Lafftur

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#46
Just as Yeshua/Jesus is the ONLY WAY of salvation, the Holy Spirit is the ONLY WAY to understand scripture.
 

SoulWeaver

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The Lion - displays The Father as The Most High Authority. No one or anything is higher.

On Earth, no one could challenge Yeshua/Jesus’ authority - even the winds and seas obey Him, even the demons are subject to Him, never have we heard anyone speak with such authority.
Hey, I've read a few posts back that you wrote now. I am writing this with big intro to explain how I got there because of other folks as well but this post really made things click for me...

People often think that cherubim and seraphim are some special beings, but there's another proof in the Bible that they represent the divine attributes.
Another forum member pointed out to me that the mercy seat in the Old Testament being Jesus grave. Two angels on top of it with wings touching are shown at resurrection at Jesus' head and feet. But what do they represent:
Psa 85:10 Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.

Truth, aka righteousness is meting out justice for sins. Mercy aka peace is forgiveness for sins. In Jesus grave, the two have met each other - God provided forgiveness while meting out punishment for sin. They kissed each other, which is represented by the cherubim wings touching tips above the Mercy seat. They are placed on different sides of the Ark, which itself represents judgment according to God's law (represented by tablets), this is why another nation was judged and plagued when they stole the Ark, and these two divine attributes are complete opposites meeting in God. Now the angels at Jesus' grave (mercy seat, as Christ rose as the ruler giving mercy while the law was appeased through death) were angels, but they clearly represent these two divine attributes and that's what they stand in for.

It caught my attention also how they touch wings in other visions, as well as on Tabernacle curtains (both inside and out, representing God being omnipresent) a lot of people think that they are some special angels but I am not really convinced.

Some other points I've been considering:

- They go forward like a lightning, this is compared elsewhere in the Bible to the movement of Jesus' coming.

- They don't turn, this kind of movement suggesting steadfastness, righteousness (unwavering), prosperity (always progress, not going back).

- They move like a flash, instantly, suggesting omnipresence or at least transcending space.

- Their wings touching, maybe representing connection of all life through the Spirit (air element aka wings).

- Lion, again Jesus is called the lion of Judah and appears as such in the parable of Samson, honey representing eternal life that came with the death of the lion (being sweet and incorruptible). The only other case of lion is satan looking to devour, which doesn't fit heaven.

This is the Bible defining itself.

Similar for lightning, it's either Son of Man, or satan. And satan isn't in heaven. So it makes sense that this might represent God's attributes.

- Eagle is also compared to God in the Bible "I carried you on eagle's wings". This likely represents the Holy Spirit (air element, heights), or maybe God as deliverer (the Bride in Rev. grows two wings like an eagle to escape from calamity).

- Man - this likely represents the image of God. Man is the only living creature that walks upright. It might represent righteousness and balance. Man has right and left foot, yet going straight and not swaying like a monkey, again with balancing suggesting justice, "the straight narrow way, not to the right or the left". This is capacity of man as opposed to beast. This also fits with Son of Man being the Judge and saints with Him. But I was confused with the ox, the puzzle kept resisting me I thought maybe power and fruitfulness (seed of Israel shown in 12 bulls around the sea of bronze at the Temple), I did not think priest... I wrote you a PM about it before I read all your comments here, so it's a bit clearer now how you arrived there, but would like more explanation nonetheless how did you come to ox to mean priest and provision...
 

Lafftur

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Hey, I've read a few posts back that you wrote now. I am writing this with big intro to explain how I got there because of other folks as well but this post really made things click for me...

People often think that cherubim and seraphim are some special beings, but there's another proof in the Bible that they represent the divine attributes.
Another forum member pointed out to me that the mercy seat in the Old Testament being Jesus grave. Two angels on top of it with wings touching are shown at resurrection at Jesus' head and feet. But what do they represent:
Psa 85:10 Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.

Truth, aka righteousness is meting out justice for sins. Mercy aka peace is forgiveness for sins. In Jesus grave, the two have met each other - God provided forgiveness while meting out punishment for sin. They kissed each other, which is represented by the cherubim wings touching tips above the Mercy seat. They are placed on different sides of the Ark, which itself represents judgment according to God's law (represented by tablets), this is why another nation was judged and plagued when they stole the Ark, and these two divine attributes are complete opposites meeting in God. Now the angels at Jesus' grave (mercy seat, as Christ rose as the ruler giving mercy while the law was appeased through death) were angels, but they clearly represent these two divine attributes and that's what they stand in for.

It caught my attention also how they touch wings in other visions, as well as on Tabernacle curtains (both inside and out, representing God being omnipresent) a lot of people think that they are some special angels but I am not really convinced.

Some other points I've been considering:

- They go forward like a lightning, this is compared elsewhere in the Bible to the movement of Jesus' coming.

- They don't turn, this kind of movement suggesting steadfastness, righteousness (unwavering), prosperity (always progress, not going back).

- They move like a flash, instantly, suggesting omnipresence or at least transcending space.

- Their wings touching, maybe representing connection of all life through the Spirit (air element aka wings).

- Lion, again Jesus is called the lion of Judah and appears as such in the parable of Samson, honey representing eternal life that came with the death of the lion (being sweet and incorruptible). The only other case of lion is satan looking to devour, which doesn't fit heaven.

This is the Bible defining itself.

Similar for lightning, it's either Son of Man, or satan. And satan isn't in heaven. So it makes sense that this might represent God's attributes.

- Eagle is also compared to God in the Bible "I carried you on eagle's wings". This likely represents the Holy Spirit (air element, heights), or maybe God as deliverer (the Bride in Rev. grows two wings like an eagle to escape from calamity).

- Man - this likely represents the image of God. Man is the only living creature that walks upright. It might represent righteousness and balance. Man has right and left foot, yet going straight and not swaying like a monkey, again with balancing suggesting justice, "the straight narrow way, not to the right or the left". This is capacity of man as opposed to beast. This also fits with Son of Man being the Judge and saints with Him. But I was confused with the ox, the puzzle kept resisting me I thought maybe power and fruitfulness (seed of Israel shown in 12 bulls around the sea of bronze at the Temple), I did not think priest... I wrote you a PM about it before I read all your comments here, so it's a bit clearer now how you arrived there, but would like more explanation nonetheless how did you come to ox to mean priest and provision...
Enjoyed your post, can tell you love The Word and have tasted hidden manna.

The ox/calf is an animal that can bear our burdens, feed and cloth us and was used to meet our spiritual needs as a sacrifice. These characteristics are that of a priest.

A priest ministers on God’s behalf to the needs of the people.
 

Lafftur

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Would you like to know the hidden manna about the other two living creatures......the man and the flying eagle?

How in Heaven they display The Father’s Will and how on Earth Yeshua/Jesus was displaying the man and the flying eagle to show us The Father.....
 

SoulWeaver

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Enjoyed your post, can tell you love The Word and have tasted hidden manna.

The ox/calf is an animal that can bear our burdens, feed and cloth us and was used to meet our spiritual needs as a sacrifice. These characteristics are that of a priest.

A priest ministers on God’s behalf to the needs of the people.
Thanks, that was wonderfully clear!
So then:
God as Provider Servant (ox)
God as Swift Savior (eagle)
God as Righteous Judge (man)
God as Mighty Ruler (lion)...
I'm just sitting back and enjoying looking at this like I'm looking at a beach horizon...
And the emerald throne above - God as the Author of life...
 

SoulWeaver

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Would you like to know the hidden manna about the other two living creatures......the man and the flying eagle?

How in Heaven they display The Father’s Will and how on Earth Yeshua/Jesus was displaying the man and the flying eagle to show us The Father.....
It's about my time to sleep, so I'll come to read it later, but of course I'd like to hear. Please go on and explain slowly :) we might not have the same hindsight so sharing this type of stuff it can read like skipping steps in math when you haven't studied the problem. Lol
 

Lafftur

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Thanks, that was wonderfully clear!
So then:
God as Provider Servant (ox)
God as Swift Savior (eagle)
God as Righteous Judge (man)
God as Mighty Ruler (lion)...
I'm just sitting back and enjoying looking at this like I'm looking at a beach horizon...
And the emerald throne above - God as the Author of life...
That’s beautiful.....as I sit in the chair next to you enjoying the same beach horizon, I see......

Lion - King
Ox/Calf - Priest
Man - Savior
Eagle - Deliverer


Then, there is The Slain Lamb upon The Throne that all 4 living creatures bow and worship........
 
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If Melchizedek is a descendant of Adam, then this was a literal pre-incarnate Christ. They would have shared the same DNA from Adam. Abraham was a descendant of Adam also. So Abraham and Melchizedek would be a close relation.
ud have 2 show me dat in the bible where Melchizedek has a beginning? you wont find it,

Hebrews 7 King James Version (KJV)
7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life;" but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6 But he "whose descent is not counted" from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
 
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ud have 2 show me dat in the bible where Melchizedek has a beginning? you wont find it,
That is exactly the point. We are talking about two books that at one time were considered to be Bible but right now are not considered to be Bible. They are quoted in the scriptures as being scripture. The Ancient Book Of Jasher: Referenced In Joshua 10:13 " Is not this written in the book of Jasher?" ; 2 Samuel 1:18 "it is written in the book of Jasher."; And 2 Timothy 3:8

Are we throwing the baby out with the bath water to reject that Melchizedek is descended from Adam? In light of the fact that Paul is so often misquoted and misunderstood. Paul of course is quoting Psalm 110:4 "The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind: “You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.” The word David uses for Priest is Kohan, which today is called Cohan. They are considered to be descended from Aaron. Melchizedek clearly was NOT descended from Moses brother Aaron. He was the King Priest of Salam (Jerusalem) before Aaron was even born. Before Moses gave us the law.

This is a priesthood that existed before Aaron was even born. If we say that Melchizedek has no literal mother or father then what does that make him? Is he an angel? The whole point is that Jesus was the second Adam. (1 Corinthians 15:45) He got back for mankind what Adam lost. He did not sacrifice Himself for the angels. He sacrificed Himself to redeem mankind and women kind.

I am not convinced that Adam and Eve had no mother or father. Much less that Melchizedek had no mother or father.
 

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Hi John,
Quote from Post 16:
Peter says we are living stones. (1Peter2:5) We read in 1Kings6:7 "The temple was constructed using finished stones cut at the quarry, so that no hammer, chisel, or any iron tool was heard in the temple while it was being built." This would indicate that God is working on us individually. We then become joined together after we have been formed and shaped. As God chisels off everything that does not belong on us.

Response: --- Yes we are ‘living stones,’ “Having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever." 1 Peter 1:23. --- It clarifies this in Luke 17:20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”
--- And referring to the BRANCH, Christ, building the temple, it records this in John 2:18 So the Jews answered and said to Him, “What sign do You show to us, since You do these things?” 19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” 21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. --- And Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:19 “Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.”
Blessings
 
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Those metaphor used in that parable are used to represent appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. God's glory will not revealed under the Sun. The eternal things of God are represented by the things seen

I have not looked at those passages before. I was just saying oxen are used to represent strength in parables .Lions courage, eagles swift wings.

As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle Ezekiel 1;10

Proverbs 14:4Where no oxen are, the crib is clean: but much increase is by the strength of the ox.
 
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That is exactly the point. We are talking about two books that at one time were considered to be Bible but right now are not considered to be Bible. They are quoted in the scriptures as being scripture. The Ancient Book Of Jasher: Referenced In Joshua 10:13 " Is not this written in the book of Jasher?" ; 2 Samuel 1:18 "it is written in the book of Jasher."; And 2 Timothy 3:8

Are we throwing the baby out with the bath water to reject that Melchizedek is descended from Adam? In light of the fact that Paul is so often misquoted and misunderstood. Paul of course is quoting Psalm 110:4 "The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind: “You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.” The word David uses for Priest is Kohan, which today is called Cohan. They are considered to be descended from Aaron. Melchizedek clearly was NOT descended from Moses brother Aaron. He was the King Priest of Salam (Jerusalem) before Aaron was even born. Before Moses gave us the law.

This is a priesthood that existed before Aaron was even born. If we say that Melchizedek has no literal mother or father then what does that make him? Is he an angel? The whole point is that Jesus was the second Adam. (1 Corinthians 15:45) He got back for mankind what Adam lost. He did not sacrifice Himself for the angels. He sacrificed Himself to redeem mankind and women kind.

I am not convinced that Adam and Eve had no mother or father. Much less that Melchizedek had no mother or father.
Was not what written in the written in the book of Jasher?"Something different than Hebrews 7 that could change the outcome of Hebrew 7?

Melchizedek is a vision not flesh and blood. He has no descent. but is a shadow of the flesh and blood of Jesus

If we say that Melchizedek has no literal mother or father then that shows he is God who is not a man as us . He alone has no
beginning of days or end of Spirit life.And he remains our unseen High priest continually.

He was used as a shadow of the demonstration to come .Shadows could not do what flesh typified as sinful must . Corrupted flesh and blood was needed to do what the letter of the law could not do . Create anew . The law of faith the unseen eternal
 

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Those metaphor used in that parable are used to represent appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. God's glory will not revealed under the Sun. The eternal things of God are represented by the things seen

I have not looked at those passages before. I was just saying oxen are used to represent strength in parables .Lions courage, eagles swift wings.

As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle Ezekiel 1;10

Proverbs 14:4Where no oxen are, the crib is clean: but much increase is by the strength of the ox.
Cherubim. I just didn’t know how Melchizedek figured into that.
 

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Chapter 4 of Revelations describes these 4 living creatures but does not tell you their purpose.

Understanding the depth and hidden things in scripture ONLY comes from The Holy Spirit.
What hidden things? I thought the Seraphim were angles that worship God continually.
 
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Cherubim. I just didn’t know how Melchizedek figured into that.
Me either but that would be how I see that parable. Our sister did say it was secret or hidden manna.

I think Melchizedek as a vision revealed to another's mind which would be of the same kind of language or revelation that revealed the hidden unseen in Ezekiel a vison of creatures. In order to give the unseen gospel understanding. .representing the unseen glory .The strength of the Ox so and so.

Like many attributes the name Melchizedek has its meaning that does seem to represent His hidden glory .Revealed in the Son of man the Prince of peace . Both the King and Prince of peace working together to bring the peace of God which does surpass our understanding.

To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;Hebrew 7:2

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.



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