Melchizedek

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Some believe God already took His elect in the 1st century. Have a discussion going on right now about that.
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Maybe the "Jewish" elect. This is the time of the gentiles. I personally want to know what happened to the 500 that were resurrected at the time that Jesus finished His work at calvary. Was there a physical resurrection at the time or was this just their spiritual body that was raised up?

Everything God did with the "Jewish" nation he is not doing with the Gentiles. One is a shadow and a type or a pattern of the other. Cahn talks about this in his best selling book: Paradigm.
 
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God appeared to Abraham in a body made from the dust of the earth, and talked with Abraham.

God appeared in a vision.(no flesh and blood) Bringing his thoughts that develop pictures to a fleshly mind of mankind. Jesus provided the flesh signified as sinful a must to do what the vision could not put away sin in the things seen dust. . In order to do what the letter of the law death could not do. Create anew .
 
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JohnR7 said:
Maybe the "Jewish" elect. This is the time of the gentiles. I personally want to know what happened to the 500 that were resurrected at the time that Jesus finished His work at calvary. Was there a physical resurrection at the time or was this just their spiritual body that was raised up?

Everything God did with the "Jewish" nation he is not doing with the Gentiles. One is a shadow and a type or a pattern of the other. Cahn talks about this in his best selling book: Paradigm.
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I just posted that very thing on another discussion. The OT Saints that were resurrected is kind of a mystery. Some adhere that to Ezekiels vision of the “Valley of dry bones”. I’m not sure about that as we are not really told who they were and why the came back to life.
 
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3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
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That is one interpretation. Other people say: Melchizedek was the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Salah, the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah; and yet none of those patriarchs is called his father. Apostle Paul means, that none of his family served in the temple, nor were children and tribes assigned to him. https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/hebrews-7-3.html[/url]
 
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JohnR7 said:
Maybe the "Jewish" elect. This is the time of the gentiles. I personally want to know what happened to the 500 that were resurrected at the time that Jesus finished His work at calvary. Was there a physical resurrection at the time or was this just their spiritual body that was raised up?



Everything God did with the "Jewish" nation he is not doing with the Gentiles. One is a shadow and a type or a pattern of the other. Cahn talks about this in his best selling book: Paradigm.
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How do you come up with that?

He purifies the heart of a Jew by a work of his faith in the same way as a Gentile. Jews inward born again and outward pertains to what the eyes see the flesh. They simply represent mankind as a whole.

Jews are not a shadow of the Gentiles. Neither are Gentile a shadow of the Jew. Its not about flesh and blood. But is about spirits and principalities.

Acts 15:8-10 King James Version (KJV)And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
 
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Not down playing it but I haven't in 40 years thought much about this Melchizedek thing .. I always figured it was a real person who was also a good, decent priest who carried on from what he learned from Noah's preaching that Abraham respected.. Priesthood is imo merely an assumed role taken on or appointment with anointing .. We all know Jesus is our High Priest, Lord and God
 
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Aerials1978 said:
I just posted that very thing on another discussion. The OT Saints that were resurrected is kind of a mystery. Some adhere that to Ezekiels vision of the “Valley of dry bones”. I’m not sure about that as we are not really told who they were and why the came back to life.
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I think it was more a prophetic vision as if they had come back to life. All die not receiving the promise . all will in the twinkling of the eye on the last day.

And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. Hebrews 11:39-40
 
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How do you come up with that?
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Colossians 2:17 "These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ". Hebrews 8:5 "They serve a copy and shadow of what is in heaven." Hebrews 10:1 "For the law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves". https://biblehub.com/topical/ttt/t/the_law_of_moses--christ--fulfilled_all_types_and_shadows_of.htm

I read Cahn's book so I could explain this to people. It is not that difficult to understand. In addition to shadow and types we have archetypes, homiletics, symbolic, paradigms, parables, allusion and so on. The Bible is literal first then symbolic. The Hebrew letters are symbolic. Each stroke of the pen to create a Hebrew letter is symbolic. This is why Jesus says: "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." (Matthew 5:18)

There are six hundred thousand letters (jot & tittle) in the Torah. Israel did not leave Egypt until there were 600,000 of them. Everything is exact and precise and has a meaning for us today. I know pastors that can teach the symbolic meaning of every tiny detail we read about the temple in the Bible. This all has meaning for us today.
 
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JohnR7 said:
Colossians 2:17 "These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ". Hebrews 8:5 "They serve a copy and shadow of what is in heaven." Hebrews 10:1 "For the law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves". https://biblehub.com/topical/ttt/t/the_law_of_moses--christ--fulfilled_all_types_and_shadows_of.htm
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I would offer

He is talking about the ceremonial laws themselves. They serve a copy and shadow of what is in heaven." Not what is here on earth or under the Sun. . Jew and Gentile.

Not comparing the flesh of one to another as if the flesh of the Son of man, Jesus could profit for something. It is the unseen Spirit of the gospel that can give us his understanding. The flesh profits for zero, nothing. In that way His living word is Spirit and therefore spirit life. As it is written we can hear Him not seen.

The ceremonial laws all point forward to the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that did follow .

It is not comparing corrupted Jewish flesh to corrupted Gentile flesh.Corruption does not inherit the incorruptible.
 
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garee said:
He is talking about the ceremonial laws themselves.
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Yes we are talking about the law and the law is the word of God. Jesus said: "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?" (Luke 6:46) We are to follow His teachings and do all He tells us to do. Just as Jesus lived His life as an example for us to follow. All of the Bible is a lesson for us to know how to live the life God is calling us to live.

"So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:19)
 
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Melchizedek is one of the four living creatures that dwells in the midst of the Throne of The Most High.

He is the one with the face of an ox/calf.

The Servant of The Most High and Priest of The Most High.

He has no father or mother. He is not human. He is a heavenly being.
 
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Lafftur said:
Melchizedek is one of the four living creatures that dwells in the midst of the Throne of The Most High.

He is the one with the face of an ox/calf.

The Servant of The Most High and Priest of The Most High.

He has no father or mother. He is not human. He is a heavenly being.
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Yes, he is God as eternal Spirit

I have not looked at Him as one of the four living creatures .Wonder why he is depicted as a Ox ? Possibly one who took on the burden?
 
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Lafftur said:
Melchizedek is one of the four living creatures that dwells in the midst of the Throne of The Most High.

He is the one with the face of an ox/calf.

The Servant of The Most High and Priest of The Most High.

He has no father or mother. He is not human. He is a heavenly being.
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Where did you come up with that?
 
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The 4 living creatures dwell in the midst of The Throne of The Most High. Their purpose is to display or make known The Will of The Father in Heaven.

Yeshua/Jesus displayed the 4 living creatures on Earth so we might know The Father.
 
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Lafftur said:
The 4 living creatures dwell in the midst of The Throne of The Most High. Their purpose is to display or make known The Will of The Father in Heaven.

Yeshua/Jesus displayed the 4 living creatures on Earth so we might know The Father.
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But were does scripture state this? To be honest I never heard of this.
 
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The Lion - displays The Father as The Most High Authority. No one or anything is higher.

On Earth, no one could challenge Yeshua/Jesus’ authority - even the winds and seas obey Him, even the demons are subject to Him, never have we heard anyone speak with such authority.
 
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Aerials1978 said:
But were does scripture state this? To be honest I never heard of this.
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Secret manna. Only get this bread in intimate fellowship with The Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
 
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garee said:
Yes, he is God as eternal Spirit

I have not looked at Him as one of the four living creatures .Wonder why he is depicted as a Ox ? Possibly one who took on the burden?
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Huh?
 
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