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As far as I can see the great tribulation is the last 3 ½ years as Jesus said When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet- For then shall be great tribulation.
It doesn’t say it a 7 year tribulation, it says it’s a 3 ½ year great tribulation, Jesus said so.
And as for the two witnesses they prophesy during the great tribulation for the last 1260 days which is 3 ½ years and are raised at the last trumpet in the clouds according to Rv11.
The antichrist has power to continue for 42 months which is 3 ½ years the last 3 ½ years.
If the two end time prophets are prophesying in the first part of the 7 years which you said is a time of peace, then you have prophets running around that make plagues upon the earth and have power to kill anyone that try to hurt them.
Isaiah59:19 - When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.
The enemy does not come in to do us evil until the middle of the 7 years, and then God lifts up the standard against him with the two end time witnesses and 144000
Nowhere in the Bible does it say it’s a 7 year tribulation. It’s a 7 year agreement with a 3 ½ year tribulation.
It doesn’t say it a 7 year tribulation, it says it’s a 3 ½ year great tribulation, Jesus said so.
And as for the two witnesses they prophesy during the great tribulation for the last 1260 days which is 3 ½ years and are raised at the last trumpet in the clouds according to Rv11.
The antichrist has power to continue for 42 months which is 3 ½ years the last 3 ½ years.
If the two end time prophets are prophesying in the first part of the 7 years which you said is a time of peace, then you have prophets running around that make plagues upon the earth and have power to kill anyone that try to hurt them.
Isaiah59:19 - When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.
The enemy does not come in to do us evil until the middle of the 7 years, and then God lifts up the standard against him with the two end time witnesses and 144000
Nowhere in the Bible does it say it’s a 7 year tribulation. It’s a 7 year agreement with a 3 ½ year tribulation.
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Read Jeremiah without your dispensational glasses and Daniel and you will
see Jacobs trouble was not 7 years. But 70 years. Fulfilled. Ever heard of the
Babylonian captivity?
Furthermore the ones that came out waited on their Messiah to restore the
Kingdom. Which them and us are in now. But its not of this world.
And theres more to the story.
see Jacobs trouble was not 7 years. But 70 years. Fulfilled. Ever heard of the
Babylonian captivity?
Furthermore the ones that came out waited on their Messiah to restore the
Kingdom. Which them and us are in now. But its not of this world.
And theres more to the story.
Acts 2:20) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
1 Cor 1:8) Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 5:5) To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
2 Cor 1:14) As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1 Thes 5:2) For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
2 Pet 3:10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Rev 1:10) I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
1 Cor 1:8) Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 5:5) To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
2 Cor 1:14) As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1 Thes 5:2) For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
2 Pet 3:10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Rev 1:10) I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
"Dispensational glasses" are necessary for proper understanding of the bible.
The trib (also called 'the time of Jacob's trouble') is still future, and will last 7 years. Daniel 9 is not fulfilled.
Where is it, Abiding? Are you leading a double life in an alternate dimension? Jesus Christ is not ruling now. The millennial kingdom is still future. It will be here on this earth. Christ will rule from Jerusalem.
Yes, there is.
The trib (also called 'the time of Jacob's trouble') is still future, and will last 7 years. Daniel 9 is not fulfilled.
Where is it, Abiding? Are you leading a double life in an alternate dimension? Jesus Christ is not ruling now. The millennial kingdom is still future. It will be here on this earth. Christ will rule from Jerusalem.
Yes, there is.
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Regardless if the two witnesses appear during the first 3 1/2 years or the second, the first 3 1/2 years will be the great apostasy of the church with mass religious confusion due to an irrelevant and illegitimate 3rd temple being built amidst the 2 Muslims that already exist of the temple mount a predicted by John in Rev. 11. I'm sure the presence of the false prophet will be felt during this time although no one might realize who he is. Don't even get me started on Universalism / Unitarinism,
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The two end time witnesses don’t prophesy in the first 3 ½ years. They prophesy the last 3 ½ years.
If they did, then the last trumpet wouldn’t be the last trumpet. And mid-week the mystery of God wouldn’t be finishedas he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Rv10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Rv11:15 And the seventh angel sounded/ 7th trumpet.
Plus you would have a resurrection of the dead in the middle of the 7 years the two end time witnesses.
Plus the 7 trumpets, judgments/plagues/death/brimstone the judgments of God and from the two witnesses would all come down in the first 3 ½ years, as the 7th trumpet sounds when the two end time witnesses are dead.
Rv11:15 And the seventh angel sounded/ 7th trumpet.
Leaving nothing left, plagues/death/brimstone/the judgments of God for the last 3 ½ years.
In Matt24 before Jesus talked about the great tribulation he called that time the beginning of sorrows, not tribulation.
Matt24:8 All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.
As you can see the two end time witnesses prophesy for the last 3 ½ years are raised from the dead at the last trumpet in Rv11.and then the mystery of God wouldn’t be finished.
Hope this helps
If they did, then the last trumpet wouldn’t be the last trumpet. And mid-week the mystery of God wouldn’t be finishedas he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Rv10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Rv11:15 And the seventh angel sounded/ 7th trumpet.
Plus you would have a resurrection of the dead in the middle of the 7 years the two end time witnesses.
Plus the 7 trumpets, judgments/plagues/death/brimstone the judgments of God and from the two witnesses would all come down in the first 3 ½ years, as the 7th trumpet sounds when the two end time witnesses are dead.
Rv11:15 And the seventh angel sounded/ 7th trumpet.
Leaving nothing left, plagues/death/brimstone/the judgments of God for the last 3 ½ years.
In Matt24 before Jesus talked about the great tribulation he called that time the beginning of sorrows, not tribulation.
Matt24:8 All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.
As you can see the two end time witnesses prophesy for the last 3 ½ years are raised from the dead at the last trumpet in Rv11.and then the mystery of God wouldn’t be finished.
Hope this helps
According to the Daniel's Timeline video, we are in the Middle of the 7 year period. We are just before the Middle point which happens in March of 2013.
In 6000 years there are 120 Jubilees. 1967 + 50 years is one jubilee to 2017. Every bible teacher says that once Israel captures Jerusalem, the generation that witnesses this "will not pass." Clearly the 120th Jubilee must occur in 2017. This means we are in the last 7 years now.
My only concern is: Where is the third temple?
I just found this online:
Daniel’s Timeline – Part 7
Part 7 – Signs in the Heaven
And a great sign was seen in the heaven: a woman clad with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.
[Revelation 12:1]
And another sign was seen in the heaven: and see, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns on his heads.
[Revelation 12:3]
At precisely 5:58AM on March 2nd, 2013, this sign will appear in the Jerusalem sky;
The constellation Virgo [Israel] will appear with the moon under her feet and the constellation Corona Borealis/The Crown over head. Along with this, Serpens [Satan] and Bootes/The Coming One [Messiah] will also be visible.
In Genesis 1:14, we see that the sun, moon and stars were given to us for “signs.” A sign declares a message and an original message was given to us in the creation of the zodiac. The constellations are not for fortune telling. Astrology is strongly condemned in the Scriptures (see Isaiah 47:13-14).That ancient perversion has clouded the far more ancient and true purpose which is prophecy from YHWH Himself about Himself and the plan of redemption for mankind throughout the span of time.
The timing of the combination of these constellations coming together when they do is remarkable in light of what we have covered previously. It comes between the time the sacrifices will begin (February 20, 2013) and when they will be made to cease (March 21, 2013) which will begin the 1260 days. The signs appear in the heaven right before the actual fulfillment of the prophecy of which they speak.
In 6000 years there are 120 Jubilees. 1967 + 50 years is one jubilee to 2017. Every bible teacher says that once Israel captures Jerusalem, the generation that witnesses this "will not pass." Clearly the 120th Jubilee must occur in 2017. This means we are in the last 7 years now.
My only concern is: Where is the third temple?
I just found this online:
Daniel’s Timeline – Part 7
Part 7 – Signs in the Heaven
And a great sign was seen in the heaven: a woman clad with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.
[Revelation 12:1]
And another sign was seen in the heaven: and see, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns on his heads.
[Revelation 12:3]
At precisely 5:58AM on March 2nd, 2013, this sign will appear in the Jerusalem sky;
The constellation Virgo [Israel] will appear with the moon under her feet and the constellation Corona Borealis/The Crown over head. Along with this, Serpens [Satan] and Bootes/The Coming One [Messiah] will also be visible.
In Genesis 1:14, we see that the sun, moon and stars were given to us for “signs.” A sign declares a message and an original message was given to us in the creation of the zodiac. The constellations are not for fortune telling. Astrology is strongly condemned in the Scriptures (see Isaiah 47:13-14).That ancient perversion has clouded the far more ancient and true purpose which is prophecy from YHWH Himself about Himself and the plan of redemption for mankind throughout the span of time.
The timing of the combination of these constellations coming together when they do is remarkable in light of what we have covered previously. It comes between the time the sacrifices will begin (February 20, 2013) and when they will be made to cease (March 21, 2013) which will begin the 1260 days. The signs appear in the heaven right before the actual fulfillment of the prophecy of which they speak.
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