Mike Bickle's "Israel Mandate"

[PeterJens]

I suspect we may have missed the whole point of that Scripture.

As I suspected the point would be we are hypocrites, doomed to failure or any transformation.
This is the lie which says who you are is a static person with certain behaviour patterns. Testimony after testimony people can tell you of how Jesus has changed them over time, walking in his principles.

Have we arrived? There is no arriving only eternal walking. There is even no point measuring how "perfect" or not you are, because love always takes opportunities and responds, but not like a book of rules, but as a personal expression from the heart. The rules can tell you you have gone wrong, but that is all, not why.

The pharisees did not care because they believed in the impossibility of change or transformation because they did not know God. So if you find yourself not changing, not responding in love, you need to go searching out God and finding His peace.

I no longer go this might be the understanding, but how else could this not be seen.

 

[PeterJens]

It is a serious thing to me, and SHOULD be for you.... called to respond in ways that we have not memorized enough of that book to be sure our possible actions are covered somewhere in there.

This kind of language reminds me of muslims. The bible conveys an attitude to people, a way of approaching problems and situations, precepts, emotions, fellowship. Jesus promised us the Holy Spirit to guide us, so it should be obvious when there is a conflict.


But the language you are using implies you do not know the word well or its intentions, and fear that somethings could be wrong.

That is a serious problem because you have given up any real authority and rely alone on your own perception and open to any heretical teaching because it is delivered in the right emotional arena.

A lot of the charismatic movement is now heretical and completely wrong, not just a little bit. If you want to found a new faith, fine, but it is no longer following Jesus.

 

[ember]

You use a term like "Josh Degenerate" and then decry things "getting ugly"?

I was not the one that used that term VW...galahad was the one that said that to Joshua...I took exception to that term


I don't call people names here

Page 5 at the top you will see that galahad called Joshua 'degenerate'...keep reading and you will see that I took exception to that name and then...THEN...I said things were getting ugly and then galahad turned his charm on me....at which point I put him on ignore...etc

 

[Joshua_Generation]

Besides believing in Jesus it says:

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 1Tim.3:16,17

I can see why the so called prophets of today and leaders of certain charismatic denominations are scripture lite, God's word would put the quietus on their questionable practices, their greasy faith.

I am quite bored with your childlike and insulting behavior towards ALL Charismatics. For the record the scripture you quoted above is 2 Tim 3.16-17 and not 1Tim 3.16-17, so who is scripturally lite?

For the record I posted this verse and you and others never responded to it. The Bible as final authority is implied in scripture, but never stated anywhere, just like the terms trinity, rapture and other Christianese culture terms we like to hold onto, but our not actually found in scripture

Inspiration is not authority and that is the only point willie was attempting to make, but the pharisee in you and another poster, could not see it for the scales in your own eyes.

The word inspiration in the Greek, actually means God breathed and not authority, there are many different renderings for the word authority in the geek, but the largest use of the term in the NT is exousia.

I will leave it for you to study to show yourself approved on what exousia means.Come to full age Chica and stop throwing rocks in your own glass house.

 

[Chica]

See? I need you to keep me straight. All these years I thought Jesus said He was the Truth.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

 

[PeterJens]

I am quite bored with your childlike and insulting behavior ..... The Bible as final authority is implied in scripture, but never stated anywhere

This is a stupid argument. The Lord has spoken quite directly in scripture, about His word and its meaning. It is the final authority. What you are arguing here is if a "prophet" stands up and says God is saying this today, even if it contradicts theology, the bible, the apostles, the prophets, that is ok, because God is doing a new thing.

So say the muslims, the mormons, the JW's so go and be a little honest, you are starting a new faith.
To claim you are christian is simply interlectual dishonesty. But that hypocracy can be added to the multitude filling the charismatic "new anointing" theology with open heavens, portals and all the other 3rd heaven crap people are coming up with.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

A great lie is spoken. That love and righteousness do not matter.

One contributor said I was being victorian to suggest love mattered or changed things.
This signs and miracles gospel is the heresy Jesus talked about. It is a gospel with no content. The miracles they claim are actually lies, deception and things that when you look in detail at, are without foundation.

The new "prophets" talk about things that do not come to pass. They talk of revivals and people doing great things, but nothing takes place. The new "apostles" take authority, but when you look at what they are talking about, it is fake experiences in the 3rd heaven, or encounters with angels who distribute wealth, or glass gems appearing to show angels have been present.

This is foolish lying, spoken by people who claim to only speak the truth, yet are hypocrites.

Jesus commanded us "to love one another as I have loved you." But this is too hard for them, literally.
Following Jesus is about finding the truth within, freedom from sin, having reality. All I see in these people is deception and lying, and when questioned about who Jesus is, they do not know Him.

SO you also do not believe in the ministry of the Holy Spirit either? I do not chase after signs, wonders or miracles, they follow those that believe. What I do believe in and have, is intimacy with the Holy Spirit.

What your brilliant mind refuses to see is that the love of God is not poured into your heart by Jesus.

The Bible says in Rom 5.5 that the love of God is poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit. What you fail to see is that Jesus work was finished on the cross, he is now at the right hand of the father, making intercession on our behalf.

The ministry on earth today is not done by Jesus, it is done through he Holy Spirit and it is his time in the earth now. He works through obedient and compassionate men and women to accomplish the will of God, through the earth.

Things have never changed. God worked through man to accomplish his will in the earth from the beginning and will do so until Jesus Returns.

The Bible states Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever and does not change. The Holy Spirit does not change, what he gave men at Pentecost he will give men today and ONLY if they turn their hearts on, their minds off, come into unity with a a single purpose and then freely receive him by activating and authorizing him to rule and reign in their lives and to come within and come upon them for the work of the ministry.

 

[ember]

no he's not...he is not saying that all....that is how you read it because of your bias


I suppose I will get in trouble again Joshua for taking up your case again...haha...you can mail me the mare

 

[Joshua_Generation]

no he's not...he is not saying that all....that is how you read it because of your bias


I suppose I will get in trouble again Joshua for taking up your case again...haha...you can mail me the mare

it's already on the way...

 

[PeterJens]

The camps are becoming more obvious

ember, willie-T and Joshua all open for new revelation and faith anointing, which will lead into the church rising victorious over the nations to usher in the return of Jesus. You will die in your graves before this comes to pass.

Look around you, the world is turning bitter and selfish, pornography is taking people over the edge, with rampent hedonism and escapism. People are becoming a ball of anxiousness and financial institutions totter from one failure to another.

But you expect the "Holy Spirit" anointing will change things rather than turn people against the gospel and bring real persecution on the Kingdom of God. But that was always the spiritual intention, to discredit righteousness and love and replace it with greed and self indulgence. Well that work is almost complete, well done folks.

 

[ember]

oh go sit under an apple tree and invent gravity

look around yourself...and blow the dust off

cheers

 

[PeterJens]

ONLY if they turn their hearts on, their minds off

You will doom yourself in your ideas of separation. You want a mystical energy transforming you through an anointing, not changing your heart through experience and simple practical life. But the Spirit will leave you, and you will be an empty shell not knowing what went wrong, because your theology is to walk in the kingdom is only to be a cup, a mere holder of being possessed by the Spirit.

Unfortunately this is a doctrine of demons. Jesus came to talk to you, conscious, mind body and soul, and change you everywhere through decipleship, truth, honesty and integrity. Yes the Holy Spirit inspires and guides, but the transformation is real. People are slain in the Spirit, which I have been to in meetings, and been overwhelmed by the love given, but that is a continual experience not a temporary glass of juice.

The fact you deny basic scripture, not reinforce the facts declared and go forward in Holy Spirit power indicates the problem with the whole movement and what many experience is simply wrong.

 

[Chica]

I am quite bored with your childlike and insulting behavior towards ALL Charismatics. For the record the scripture you quoted above is 2 Tim 3.16-17 and not 1Tim 3.16-17, so who is scripturally lite?

For the record I posted this verse and you and others never responded to it. The Bible as final authority is implied in scripture, but never stated anywhere, just like the terms trinity, rapture and other Christianese culture terms we like to hold onto, but our not actually found in scripture

Inspiration is not authority and that is the only point willie was attempting to make, but the pharisee in you and another poster, could not see it for the scales in your own eyes.

The word inspiration in the Greek, actually means God breathed and not authority, there are many different renderings for the word authority in the geek, but the largest use of the term in the NT is exousia.

I will leave it for you to study to show yourself approved on what exousia means.Come to full age Chica and stop throwing rocks in your own glass house.

The authority of the NT lies with the men that wrote it, the apostles.

Paul quoted the gospel of Luke as "Scripture" (1Tim.5:18--Luke 10:7), Peter had a collection of Paul's "letters" (2Peter 3:16).

The apostles exhorted that their letters be read and circulated among the churches (Col. 4:16; 1Thess. 5:27, Rev. 1:3)

They seemed to have found value in the Bible.

You need to come to full age and accept the fact that some of the leaders of charismatic congregations are flat out liars when they say they have "new revelations" for the church.

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. Jude 3

There are no more revelations, we have all we need. The faith has an unchanging, and unchangeable content.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

The camps are becoming more obvious

ember, willie-T and Joshua all open for new revelation and faith anointing, which will lead into the church rising victorious over the nations to usher in the return of Jesus. You will die in your graves before this comes to pass.

Look around you, the world is turning bitter and selfish, pornography is taking people over the edge, with rampent hedonism and escapism. People are becoming a ball of anxiousness and financial institutions totter from one failure to another.

But you expect the "Holy Spirit" anointing will change things rather than turn people against the gospel and bring real persecution on the Kingdom of God. But that was always the spiritual intention, to discredit righteousness and love and replace it with greed and self indulgence. Well that work is almost complete, well done folks.

So what did you do so far today to stem the tide of bitterness, selfishness, pornography, hedonism and escapism?

What did you do Peter to rebuke the powers of darkness that are at work today?

You will never, ever change the world without the power of the Holy Spirit!

It is his ministry that reproves the sinner, it is ministry that heals the brokenhearted, it his ministry that breaks the chain, it is his ministry that preaches deliverance to the captive, it is his ministry, that gives oil of joy for mourning, it is his ministry that gives a garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness, it is his ministry, it is his ministry that destroys the yoke, It his his ministry that opens the blind eye, it is his perfect love that casts out fear, it is his anointing and power that enables us to heal all who are oppressed of the devil! It is his ministry that stands at the tomb today and cries out COME FORTH!

What are you going to do today Peter? How will you become a world changing plant shaker for the Kingdom of God!?!?!

All creation is crying out waiting for you , a self professed son of God, to manifest himself.

Stop mental assent and get into the valley of decision and pick up your shield and sword, and help give the dying keys to the kingdom or stay on Mt. Apathy!

You are a resolute hearer of the word, but a doer, that remains to be seen. Why?

Becuase you dismiss the very work of the ministry that is needed to be a doer of the word.

 

[Sirk]

Wow. I've never been accused of being a Pharisee by proclaiming Gods word as having authority over my life. Not that I take it to heart or anything cuz I know that I am commanded to "hide the word in my heart" and ponder it as if "I am chewing cud".

 

[Joshua_Generation]

You will doom yourself in your ideas of separation. You want a mystical energy transforming you through an anointing, not changing your heart through experience and simple practical life. But the Spirit will leave you, and you will be an empty shell not knowing what went wrong, because your theology is to walk in the kingdom is only to be a cup, a mere holder of being possessed by the Spirit.

Unfortunately this is a doctrine of demons. Jesus came to talk to you, conscious, mind body and soul, and change you everywhere through decipleship, truth, honesty and integrity. Yes the Holy Spirit inspires and guides, but the transformation is real. People are slain in the Spirit, which I have been to in meetings, and been overwhelmed by the love given, but that is a continual experience not a temporary glass of juice.

The fact you deny basic scripture, not reinforce the facts declared and go forward in Holy Spirit power indicates the problem with the whole movement and what many experience is simply wrong.

Funny thing with you Peter is this, not once in any of your posts have you ever used scripture to back yourself up.
You just sit back and throw rocks...

There is a balance of spirit and word and friend you got NEITHER!

 

[Sirk]

Here's another that sounds pretty authoritative to me:

“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book”
—Revelation 22:18-19

 

[PeterJens]

So what did you do so far today to stem the tide of bitterness, selfishness, pornography, hedonism and escapism?

I am here talking to the apostates and those damaging and destroying the work of the Lord.
While claiming Holy Spirit power they are making a mockery of the faith, and parading greed and sin as acceptable behaviour.

What you do not realise is all christians know about the Holy Spirit and have seen him at work.
You think you have authority saying words like "a world changing plant shaker" but this is meaningless.

We are called to show love, to speak truth to people at an emotional level, to help carry their burdens, to be real, open and honest. This can only be done through the Holy Spirit, but somehow you cannot do this, and are talking about a star wars idea of zapping people which simply is a lie and a delusion.

I am a doer of the word and preach in and out of season. But you are denying the very foundations of the Kingdom, so for all your "spiritual power" you have not even gained the central message....repent and believe, walk in righteousness and love with a pure heart knowing you are loved through the cross of Jesus.

But I doubt these words mean anything to you, so far from the gospel you have become.

 

[Sirk]

It such a foreign concept to me that the beginning of understanding wouldn't begin with having the perspective that Gods breathed words in scripture are not authoritative. That's like saying you don't have to follow the rule book in a given sport but can go out on the court and play how your emotions lead you.

Nonsensical that is. (Said in the voice of yoda).

 

[Sirk]

It such a foreign concept to me that the beginning of understanding wouldn't begin with having the perspective that Gods breathed words in scripture are authoritative. That's like saying you don't have to follow the rule book in a given sport but can go out on the court and play how your emotions lead you.

Nonsensical that is. (Said in the voice of yoda).

sorry. Fixed it.