Millions of years ago ! ?
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I hope Dr.Carl Werner wins the Nobel Prize because his Dinosaur fossils finds - see www.TheGrandExperiment.com - wincam
A bit of a digression I suppose .... but it has always seemed strange to me.
Believers in the supernatural race off to a doctor (a scientist) when they are ill, they drive cars (products of science), argue their anti-science 'case' on computers (science again), watch television (more science) even rejoice as men walk on the moon ......
but, if the overwhelming mass of scientific opinion conflicts with the myths and legends of primitive, superstitious middle-eastern tribesmen thousands of years ago -
science can't be right.
That's plain nuts !
Believers in the supernatural race off to a doctor (a scientist) when they are ill, they drive cars (products of science), argue their anti-science 'case' on computers (science again), watch television (more science) even rejoice as men walk on the moon ......
but, if the overwhelming mass of scientific opinion conflicts with the myths and legends of primitive, superstitious middle-eastern tribesmen thousands of years ago -
science can't be right.
That's plain nuts !
Since you want someone to post a link to evidence against old earth theory, here you go.
well I am not a 'new earther'. But I am perfectly aware that your so-called scientists prevent intelligent new earthers from reasonable discussion and in America at least seek to exclude them from ACADEMIC CIRCLES. Your so-called scientists are dogmatic believers in an unproven theory and close their eyes to anything that disagrees with them. THAT IS NOT SCIENCE.
Your are appealing to the laws of physics as if they were determinate. The Word clearly disputes this theory.
By oldhermit[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
III. The Creation of Light, 3-5. “Let there be...” [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
This is the command pattern for every stage of creation.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]A. Light is spoken into existence. This light is not that which represents the glory of God such as we find in the dedication of the Temple. This is light that is comprised of matter. It is created light that is not produced by celestial sources. These are not yet created which tells us that in the natural world light precedes stars or any other material source.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
B. Light is separated from the darkness. This is an interesting phenomenon. Light and darkness do not naturally separate. It required an act of God to separate the two. What does this say about the theory of natural determinacy i.e. the influence of natural law? It did not yet exist. Heaven and earth are matter, light is energy and matter. These are the two basic elements of physics. At this point in creation, there are no natural laws in place to influence their behavior. Light is separated from the darkness by an act of God. This will begin the sequence of time measurement. Matter and energy are being organized into a more complex life sustaining system.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
C. Light is assigned to function which is to measure time, 5. God gives the definition of what constitutes a day. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
1. Light = day + morning.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
2. Darkness = night + evening.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
The combination of these two represent a 24 hour period of time. This same standard of measurement is used in every stage of creation. From the first day before the sun, moon, and stars were created until after these are placed in the heavens as the standard measurement of evening and morning representing one day. This standard of measurement does not change throughout the chapter.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
3. The laws of physics are now put in place. This will be represented in at least four ways. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
a. Earth's rotation now seems to have already been set in motion on day one. When Light and darkness are separated this results in the phenomenon of morning and evening due to the rotation of the earth on its axis with darkness on one hemisphere and light on the other. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
b. This also means that earth's magnetic fields are now in place which is formed by the flow of the earth's liquid iron core. The magnetic field will be necessary to protect the earth against solar radiation when the sun is created on day four. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
c. Because of the rotation of the earth, gravitational forces are now operational.[/FONT]
By oldhermit[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
III. The Creation of Light, 3-5. “Let there be...” [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
This is the command pattern for every stage of creation.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]A. Light is spoken into existence. This light is not that which represents the glory of God such as we find in the dedication of the Temple. This is light that is comprised of matter. It is created light that is not produced by celestial sources. These are not yet created which tells us that in the natural world light precedes stars or any other material source.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
B. Light is separated from the darkness. This is an interesting phenomenon. Light and darkness do not naturally separate. It required an act of God to separate the two. What does this say about the theory of natural determinacy i.e. the influence of natural law? It did not yet exist. Heaven and earth are matter, light is energy and matter. These are the two basic elements of physics. At this point in creation, there are no natural laws in place to influence their behavior. Light is separated from the darkness by an act of God. This will begin the sequence of time measurement. Matter and energy are being organized into a more complex life sustaining system.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
C. Light is assigned to function which is to measure time, 5. God gives the definition of what constitutes a day. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
1. Light = day + morning.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
2. Darkness = night + evening.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
The combination of these two represent a 24 hour period of time. This same standard of measurement is used in every stage of creation. From the first day before the sun, moon, and stars were created until after these are placed in the heavens as the standard measurement of evening and morning representing one day. This standard of measurement does not change throughout the chapter.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
3. The laws of physics are now put in place. This will be represented in at least four ways. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
a. Earth's rotation now seems to have already been set in motion on day one. When Light and darkness are separated this results in the phenomenon of morning and evening due to the rotation of the earth on its axis with darkness on one hemisphere and light on the other. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
b. This also means that earth's magnetic fields are now in place which is formed by the flow of the earth's liquid iron core. The magnetic field will be necessary to protect the earth against solar radiation when the sun is created on day four. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
c. Because of the rotation of the earth, gravitational forces are now operational.[/FONT]
What part of the Institute for Creation Research is not a reputable scientific source don't you understand?
If you think otherwise, please provide a link to an article in a reputable science journal by someone from ICR proving a 6,000 world.
But on the subject of ICR, you are familiar with their position on ID (Intelligent Design), right?
And that is, what?
And you are familiar with what the federal judge said about that position in the one of the most important court cases ever on the issue of teaching such nonsense in public schools, right?
If you think otherwise, please provide a link to an article in a reputable science journal by someone from ICR proving a 6,000 world.
But on the subject of ICR, you are familiar with their position on ID (Intelligent Design), right?
And that is, what?
And you are familiar with what the federal judge said about that position in the one of the most important court cases ever on the issue of teaching such nonsense in public schools, right?
Who says we argue all science is wrong? Saying all science is correct would be wrong, especially since there are contradicting theories in science. What is plain nuts is believing everything you are told without looking into it. Primitive? That is funny, the Bible has been correct when science has been wrong....The mass of scientific opinion at one point believed that the earth was flat.....just because it is popular among scientists does not make it true.....
So a guy with a PH.D. is incapable of arguing science? Here is his biography. Is he incapable of having scientific beliefs? Humans are fallible in logic, do you honestly think everything a federal judge says is truth? He made a ruling, you are arguing that just because a judge says it, it must be true?
Who says science has to be posted in a scientific journal...can't scientists publish their findings anyway they want?
Who says science has to be posted in a scientific journal...can't scientists publish their findings anyway they want?
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It would seem that in the case of evolution vs creationism what is in conflict here is the question of reputation as JackH has just demonstrated. In the matter of creationism it is the reputation of the scientific community that is called into question while in the matter of the evolutionists it is the reputation of God that is called into question. Is God the liar or is it the scientific community who has lied? Which one is the more reputable of the two?
That is ridiculous.
There are many Christians who do not believe the world is 6,000 years old.
Where exactly did God say the world is 6,000 years old?
Please be very specific.
If you are going to say the chronologies in the bible, then I would request you state exactly what chronology you say is what God said, that of Ussher or anybody else's.
There are many Christians who do not believe the world is 6,000 years old.
Where exactly did God say the world is 6,000 years old?
Please be very specific.
If you are going to say the chronologies in the bible, then I would request you state exactly what chronology you say is what God said, that of Ussher or anybody else's.