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posthuman

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mayim is used some 80 times in the OT and in EVERY instance it is translated as water, nothing else.

& there is no Aramaic word for "interstellar gas cloud" per se, am guessing :p

nvm, don't want to belabor that,

but this:

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flood (1), loins (1), pool (1), Water (5), water (373), watering (1), waterless* (1), waters (192).

doesn't that mean somewhere it is translated "loins" ?

seems out-of-place to me, yeah. wanted to look closer
 

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& there is no Aramaic word for "interstellar gas cloud" per se, am guessing :p

nvm, don't want to belabor that,
To this I really do not know. Perhaps Angela could answer this for you.



doesn't that mean somewhere it is translated "loins" ?

seems out-of-place to me, yeah. wanted to look closer
Well, according to Strong's it can be translated as loin but there is no place that I found in the OT where it is translated in this way. It is translated as confusion in a couple of passages.
 
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So now you see God is an option in creating the universe. The science you are talking about. You are saying If your views on this science are wrong, God could not have created the world like the Bible describes? There is actually science that supports young earth and God.....you cannot just discredit our existence if one theory made by man is wrong.
Sorry for not answering, Yes God created the universe, He is the best scientist in it, science and God do not contradict they will converge en the truth God is eternal and few billion years is nothing for him, you looking to god in the mirror of the old testament, an imperfect book written thousands of years ago, and that is not helping you to see properly. I am Christian and will love to accept all this young earth theory, I have seen all their videos and read a lot of articles, they just do not have any valid argument, they try to be funny and makes jokes to the main stream scientists, but not essence just illogical claims.
 

posthuman

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To this I really do not know. Perhaps Angela could answer this for you.

Well, according to Strong's it can be translated as loin but there is no place that I found in the OT where it is translated in this way. It is translated as confusion in a couple of passages.
that's interesting. i'll let you know if i find where the "loins" reference comes from too.
 

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Sorry for not answering, Yes God created the universe, He is the best scientist in it, science and God do not contradict they will converge en the truth God is eternal and few billion years is nothing for him, you looking to god in the mirror of the old testament, an imperfect book written thousands of years ago, and that is not helping you to see properly. I am Christian and will love to accept all this young earth theory, I have seen all their videos and read a lot of articles, they just do not have any valid argument, they try to be funny and makes jokes to the main stream scientists, but not essence just illogical claims.
Isn't it possible that the Old Testament is correct and these scientists that you believe are wrong? Look back into history....Wasn't there a time when everyone thought the earth was round? Why don't you think they are wrong this time also, just like many times in the past when the Bible was accurate?
 
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doesn't imply that the Father is matter. or that Christ was matter before He was born as a man.
that's like seeing an ice cube and determining that steam and liquid water don't exist.

Jesus' own words: "
God is spirit"

i take Him at His word.
Well we getting closer,

One has to be rigth "man was created at the image and likeness of God"
or
"God is Spirit" (so no image is possible, or spirits have image)

the other is to make the "God created man as the image of something" that is not image like the character of God.

any way you have to go to the metaphor to explain.

and What did Jesus with his body?

Why we need to resurrect? just to be converted in spirit again?
 

posthuman

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Well we getting closer,

One has to be rigth "man was created at the image and likeness of God"
or
"God is Spirit" (so no image is possible, or spirits have image)
sorry m8 had to go to sleep.

so God has an "image"

interestingly, same word translated "image" is used here --

Surely a man goes about as a shadow!
Surely for nothing they are in turmoil;
man heaps up wealth and does not know who will gather!

(Psalm 39:6)


and What did Jesus with his body?

Why we need to resurrect? just to be converted in spirit again?
you might as well ask where Elijah's body is. or Moses'. or why the Devil was disputing with Michael over it :)

why would you assume we are "converted to spirit" or that Christ no longer has a body?

ever read "flatland" ?
if we lived in a 2d plane, like a piece of paper, and oldhermit was 3d, and he put his finger in our world, what would it look like to us?
a circle. something 2d.
we wouldn't be seeing all of it. maybe if he moved it in and out of our plane we would infer more information about his true form.
but if he then took his finger out of our plane-world, and went off somewhere in his 3d world no longer intersecting ours for a while - is it logical to assume he no longer has cross-sections?

now, off to work i go (♫♪)

 
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sorry m8 had to go to sleep.

so God has an "image"

interestingly, same word translated "image" is used here --

Surely a man goes about as a shadow!
Surely for nothing they are in turmoil;
man heaps up wealth and does not know who will gather!

(Psalm 39:6)




you might as well ask where Elijah's body is. or Moses'. or why the Devil was disputing with Michael over it :)

why would you assume we are "converted to spirit" or that Christ no longer has a body?

ever read "flatland" ?
if we lived in a 2d plane, like a piece of paper, and oldhermit was 3d, and he put his finger in our world, what would it look like to us?
a circle. something 2d.
we wouldn't be seeing all of it. maybe if he moved it in and out of our plane we would infer more information about his true form.
but if he then took his finger out of our plane-world, and went off somewhere in his 3d world no longer intersecting ours for a while - is it logical to assume he no longer has cross-sections?

now, off to work i go (♫♪)

I actually read flat land, and is to explain how beings in higher dimensions will be seen by beings in lower dimensions.
a very interesting book.
 

posthuman

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I actually read flat land, and is to explain how beings in higher dimensions will be seen by beings in lower dimensions.
a very interesting book.

i got a book called "flatterland" from the library this week. haven't started reading it yet - i'll let you know how it is :)

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anyhow, i suspect there is something like that going on here . .
 
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We are in the realm of speculation, if i have to speculate I will say God is made of Matter, as Jesus resurrected with matter and in his material body went to heaven, I know for you this is blasphemy, but is a fact that Jesus resurrected and is God.
Since when does God have to made of MATTER? God is a SPIRIT. God spoke (Basic physics 101 sound waves are a FORM OF ENERGY, energy that became MATTER AND LIGHT) Einstein was far closer to the truth then he ever realized. Energy equals matter times the speed of light squared. When God spoke that was the ENERGY that became matter and light. :)

And it's right in Genesis 1

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


Pretty simple huh? :)
 
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no million of years - in an expanding/stretched out Universe million of years ago the sun would have been bigger, hotter and nearer the earth = scalding steam and dust and ashes = no life or evolution possible - any comments - wincam
Make that billions, but who's counting anyway? (2 Peter 3:8)
 
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Since when does God have to made of MATTER? God is a SPIRIT. God spoke (Basic physics 101 sound waves are a FORM OF ENERGY, energy that became MATTER AND LIGHT) Einstein was far closer to the truth then he ever realized. Energy equals matter times the speed of light squared. When God spoke that was the ENERGY that became matter and light. :)

And it's right in Genesis 1

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


Pretty simple huh? :)
Hum..... Light is produced in the stars, so stars have to be created first then light.
 
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Hum..... Light is produced in the stars, so stars have to be created first then light.
Hum..... if you understood the word ore (used for light in "let there be light") you will understand that the light created was directly from God and not candle light or sun light.

Just like when Israel was in Egypt and God made it dark for 3 days, the light Israel had was ore...
 
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Hum..... Light is produced in the stars, so stars have to be created first then light.
Not all light is produced in the stars such as lighting and terrestial gamma-ray flashes,microwaves,x-rays can be produced from sources other then the stars.



 
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Not all light is produced in the stars such as lighting and terrestial gamma-ray flashes,microwaves,x-rays can be produced from sources other then the stars.




Yes, but we talking 6000 years ago, and the genesis authors did not dream with such devices.
 
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Yes, but we talking 6000 years ago, and the genesis authors did not dream with such devices.
God is the author of Genesis so yes He did dream about it... Moses was the instrument, God the Author!
 
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Yes, but we talking 6000 years ago, and the genesis authors did not dream with such devices.
So are you saying that an all powerful God could NOT do it in six days if He wanted to? Really?
 
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didymos

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Before there were sun, moon and stars there was God who created the light. The message is: sun, moon and stars shouldn't be worshipped as divine beings that give us light and life, but God alone. In way the story of creation in Genesis is a critique of sun and moon cults.
 
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didymos

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Nope, I said the order of the creation is wrong. see my earlier posts.
So God is wrong? Interesting... :rolleyes:

It's not wrong, you just dont get it, now do you?