MIRACLES:TODAY OR NOT?

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Leastamongmany

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John 14:12 Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

I'm asking you, what exactly is it that you are doing greater than Jesus? is it healing/ raising the dead/ miracle working/salvation/preaching the gospel??!
What YOU ARE NOT HEARING IS:I dont have to give YOU an account of my life,my faith,my walk ect.I owe NO man anything except to present Christ Jesus and Him crucified!
 

Leastamongmany

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What YOU ARE NOT HEARING IS:I dont have to give YOU an account of my life,my faith,my walk ect.I owe NO man anything except to present Christ Jesus and Him crucified!
Give HIM THE GLORY ,PRAISE AND HONOUR HE IS DUE!
 

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What YOU ARE NOT HEARING IS:I dont have to give YOU an account of my life,my faith,my walk ect.I owe NO man anything except to present Christ Jesus and Him crucified!
What are you afraid of?
As for me, there's no single thing i can do greater than my Lord Jesus did and i'm not afraid to say it. Coz i know those were meant for the disciples/apostles - those who were appointed by Jesus and after them, all ceased.

Do you know of any man today that does greater works than Jesus did?
 

Leastamongmany

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What are you afraid of?
As for me, there's no single thing i can do greater than my Lord Jesus did and i'm not afraid to say it. Coz i know those were meant for the disciples/apostles - those who were appointed by Jesus and after them, all ceased.

Do you know of any man today that does greater works than Jesus did?
Hmmmm I would REALLY LOVE to get in a face to face open our bible time with you!😊
 
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Good advice from God; we are not supposed to go by sight or experience but understanding and perseverance.

And what are we to do with these:

Psalm 116:
15Precious in the sight of the LORD
is the death of His saints.

it could be looked at in more than one way. The saints are the ones who have passed from eternal damantion to eternal life.


Isa 57:
1The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
devout men are swept away,
with none considering
that the righteous are guided
from the presence of evil.

2Those who walk uprightly enter into peace;
they find rest, lying down in death.

So Himself says, He guides his righteous from evil in this world through death but some say that is not good enough and have to seek faith healers?!

But why did Jesus and Apostles heal in the 1st century?

Heb 2:
3how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation?

This salvation was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, 4and was affirmed by God through signs, wonders, various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to His will.

These was done so that the gospel is preached to ends of the earth. The gospel was preached to the ends of the world so no more God given miracles.

Col 1:23ifindeed you continue in your faith, established andfirm, not moved from the hope of the gospel you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creationunder heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.
Jesus as the Son of man an apostle and the other apostles both lived in a corrupted body of death and could never work a spiritual healing, affecting the flesh.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Flesh without spirit is already dead. Spirit life must work to heal the flesh as in all healings. . . God performs a work wrought of His Spirit in us.

He can if he choses affirm he is working with signs. But signs are not the work of the gospel .Prophecy is . Signs are designed for the rebellious they point to the unseen, eternal. But never become.

Like the sign of the woman touching the clothing of the Son of man, Jesus used to represent the righteousness of Christ as the virtue of Him.

Or another like the lame man used to represent no faith by which they could understand or walk . "lame" is used as a metaphor that way in several occasions .Leaping is a indication or p representation one has heard and believed as a anchor to their new soul. .

The preaching of the gospel the healing power of God who is not served by apostles as gods (legion) in the likeness of man . I think it is shown in the parable below.

And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Acts 14:7-

The same applies today hands represent a desire the will of God be done they do not perform if their is healing. Merely shadows used in ceremonial laws

Interesting showing how the father of lies turn things upside down in that way as the counterfeiter. . . to take the unseen meaning Using a father and Son team. . . with Paul (Mercury ) acting as the son of God the messenger of the gospel sent by the father typified by Barnabas. Both as a dynamic Duo.

Again as a counterfeit, knowing the requirement is the father and son both performing one work in perfect unity trying to snatch the seed. .Satan creates his own un holy trinity as the spirit of the antichrist.

Did they claim we are apostles...hear us roar? We have the hands of power to heal .Or rather did they proclaim blasphemy and would never stand in the place of many gods in the likeness of men (seen) and violate the first commandment. Thou shall have no multiple gods before me in the likenes of men ?
 

Dino246

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He can if he choses affirm he is working with signs. But signs are not the work of the gospel .Prophecy is . Signs are designed for the rebellious they point to the unseen, eternal. But never become.
Hogwash! I've addressed this before, and you have ignored it! God gave Gideon signs; but Gideon was not rebellious. God gave Hezekiah a sign, but Hezekiah was not rebellious. God gave Joshua a sign, but Joshua was not rebellious. God gave the sign of the rainbow as a demonstration of His promise, not as a sign to the rebellious. God gave Mary a sign; she was not rebellious.
 
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Hogwash! I've addressed this before, and you have ignored it! God gave Gideon signs; but Gideon was not rebellious. God gave Hezekiah a sign, but Hezekiah was not rebellious. God gave Joshua a sign, but Joshua was not rebellious. God gave the sign of the rainbow as a demonstration of His promise, not as a sign to the rebellious. God gave Mary a sign; she was not rebellious.
Hi thanks..

Chickenpoop in the coop..LOL names can hurt. Sorry if I do offend

I have not ignored them they as examples for our benefit display they had the power of the treasure of the Spirit of Christ in their earthen bodies as Christian do today .

Signs follow prophecy. They are not to be sought after as shadows. They are against those who faithless rebels against prophecy as the one source of faith. . . . the one source of Christian faith as it is written .

Another point there is a difference with a sign like a sign of times , and a sign and wonder or a sign as a wonderment . we are to marvel like when we first believed a person must be given a new incorruptible spirit as born again( marvel not)

I would of thought after confirming the sign in respect to the law in 1 Corinthians 14:22-23 You might have a different understanding. It would seem you stay away from the meaning of; "yet for all that they refuse to believe" as a sign that confirm something??? .Its foundation as the doctrine of tongue is found in Isaiah 28 . Is that foundation destroyed by a unknow tongue? Do you speak in unknowns?

Two kinds of signs. Like many things the counterfeiter desired to turn it upside down to take away the understanding of God. What God calls separate... he call it as if one .What God's darkness, he calls light. I call him the upside-downer, counterfeiter, hypo-critter god of this world. God says one thing the god of this world says the oppositter. LOL

Signs that lead (Chicago 17 miles ahead take exit 192. and signs that follow . You have just left the Chicago city limits .Milwaukee 67 miles ahead.

Sign are used to move people who do not beive the woirds of a unseen Godsign that move what prophecy could not.

Exodus 4:1-7 King James Version (KJV) And Moses answered and said, But, behold, they will not believe me, nor hearken unto my voice:(prophecy) for they will say, The Lord hath not appeared unto thee. And the Lord said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod.And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it. And the Lord said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand: That they (Not the prophet believing Jews) may believe that the Lord God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared unto thee. And the Lord said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow. (dead) And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh. And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign.

The later sign. The killing off of the first born it moved the Pharaoh one who represents the god of this world .This world is represented as Egypt the land of bondage.

Exodus 4:8-9 King James Version (KJV)And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe also these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take of the water of the river, and pour it upon the dry land: and the water which thou takest out of the river shall become blood upon the dry land.And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign.

Numbers 17:10And the Lord said unto Moses, Bring Aaron's rod again before the testimony, to be kept for a token against the rebels; and thou shalt quite take away their murmurings from me, that they die not.

Numbers 20:10And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

Establishing the written law in the new testament looking to its foundation in the old as two witnesses. Tongues in respect a sign is not to them that believe prophecy. . . . the tongue of God , but to them that have no faith that will move them. (yet for all that they will not hear) So declaring the word of God prophesying the gospel : serves not for them that have no faith that comes by hearing prophecy the word of God , but for them which believe prophecy .not signs and wonders seekers to confirm something. as a work performed . Jesus called them a evil generation, natural man who has no choice but to walk after the flesh

1 Corinthians 14:20-22 King James Version (KJV) Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
 

Dino246

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Hi thanks..

Chickenpoop in the coop..LOL names can hurt. Sorry if I do offend

I have not ignored them they as examples for our benefit display they had the power of the treasure of the Spirit of Christ in their earthen bodies as Christian do today .

Signs follow prophecy. They are not to be sought after as shadows. They are against those who faithless rebels against prophecy as the one source of faith. . . . the one source of Christian faith as it is written .

Another point there is a difference with a sign like a sign of times , and a sign and wonder or a sign as a wonderment . we are to marvel like when we first believed a person must be given a new incorruptible spirit as born again( marvel not)

I would of thought after confirming the sign in respect to the law in 1 Corinthians 14:22-23 You might have a different understanding. It would seem you stay away from the meaning of; "yet for all that they refuse to believe" as a sign that confirm something??? .Its foundation as the doctrine of tongue is found in Isaiah 28 . Is that foundation destroyed by a unknow tongue? Do you speak in unknowns?

Two kinds of signs. Like many things the counterfeiter desired to turn it upside down to take away the understanding of God. What God calls separate... he call it as if one .What God's darkness, he calls light. I call him the upside-downer, counterfeiter, hypo-critter god of this world. God says one thing the god of this world says the oppositter. LOL

Signs that lead (Chicago 17 miles ahead take exit 192. and signs that follow . You have just left the Chicago city limits .Milwaukee 67 miles ahead.

Sign are used to move people who do not beive the woirds of a unseen Godsign that move what prophecy could not.

Exodus 4:1-7 King James Version (KJV) And Moses answered and said, But, behold, they will not believe me, nor hearken unto my voice:(prophecy) for they will say, The Lord hath not appeared unto thee. And the Lord said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod.And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it. And the Lord said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand: That they (Not the prophet believing Jews) may believe that the Lord God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared unto thee. And the Lord said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow. (dead) And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh. And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign.

The later sign. The killing off of the first born it moved the Pharaoh one who represents the god of this world .This world is represented as Egypt the land of bondage.

Exodus 4:8-9 King James Version (KJV)And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe also these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take of the water of the river, and pour it upon the dry land: and the water which thou takest out of the river shall become blood upon the dry land.And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign.

Numbers 17:10And the Lord said unto Moses, Bring Aaron's rod again before the testimony, to be kept for a token against the rebels; and thou shalt quite take away their murmurings from me, that they die not.

Numbers 20:10And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

Establishing the written law in the new testament looking to its foundation in the old as two witnesses. Tongues in respect a sign is not to them that believe prophecy. . . . the tongue of God , but to them that have no faith that will move them. (yet for all that they will not hear) So declaring the word of God prophesying the gospel : serves not for them that have no faith that comes by hearing prophecy the word of God , but for them which believe prophecy .not signs and wonders seekers to confirm something. as a work performed . Jesus called them a evil generation, natural man who has no choice but to walk after the flesh

1 Corinthians 14:20-22 King James Version (KJV) Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
Garee: here's a new word for you to look up:

brevity.
 

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Yes there are still miracles occurring today. Different folks have different concepts of what a miracle is, but, yes, they are still occurring today, and I have seen a few personally.
 

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The design of,that man might know the Power of the Lord!
aides in building up faith....Is.41:20 That they may SEE,and KNOW,and CONSIDER and UNDERSTAND together,that the HAND of the LORD hath done this.........
John 20:31 But these are written that he might believe that JESUS is the Christ,the Son of God,and that believing he might have LIFE thru HIS NAME.
Performed by the Lord that men might receive knowledge! 1 Kings 18:37/38 Hear me, O, Lord,head me,that this people may KNOW that thou art the Lord God and thou hast turned their heart back again.
to witness to Chris as Messiah!....... If God changes NOT but is the same yesterday,today and tomorrow......why do we not see miracles in this age? If you have witnessed or had a miracle in your life please share. If you just have thoughts on this please share. We are the kingdom of God,we are to be a powersourse even till today!🙏🙏🙏🙏
Many of us have been radically saved out of drugs, the occcult, crime, gambling, gangs, sexual perversions, mental disorders by the power of the Gospel. I'd say each time that happens as in the new birth...a miracle has happened.
We don't see that as much these days as reliance on His Word and Spirit has been replaced by reliance on programs, techniques, church growth formulas, 'steps to victory' and other Christian paraphernalia.
 
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There's no such thing as supernatural or miracles happening today.
Budhists/Atheists/Muslims/ Satanists/ Judaists - all have testimonies they can tell or is it only a miracle if it happens to Christians?
This is a very good point ! It shows to a certain extent that most claimed miracles are like placebo results.
 
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Here are some miracles that occur after 50....

a. When you can get out of bed without hurting

b. When you can sleep more that 4 to 6 hours without having to get up to pee or waking up in general

c. When you are "regular" without taking fiber

Just to name three......yep.....miracles do still occur....... ;)
 

Leastamongmany

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Here are some miracles that occur after 50....

a. When you can get out of bed without hurting

b. When you can sleep more that 4 to 6 hours without having to get up to pee or waking up in general

c. When you are "regular" without taking fiber

Just to name three......yep.....miracles do still occur....... ;)
😀😁😂😁😃😅😆😆😅😄😃😂😁😀 Thanks I concur!