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Excluding this forum of course where evolutionary creationism is super small, many Christians in the real world have no problem with reconciling the theory of evolution with their Christian faith. And they don't believe they are being inconsistent with their beliefs.
So I believe it would be correct to say, "Evolution and the Christian Faith do not mix for some Christians"
So I believe it would be correct to say, "Evolution and the Christian Faith do not mix for some Christians"
I have to agree with Tintin here. I understand that many people try to combine Christianity and Darwinism, especially when they go to study religion for the first time. The two just really cannot be reconciled. Almost every point in the darwinistic theory is against the Bible. Besides the obvious inflation of actual time, really just consider that man was made in God's image according to Bible and how that contradicts the darwinistic notion that we're accidents made in the image of apes.
There's much more to go on too. Darwinism denies the Flood, it denies miracles, it denies the Biblical cosmology, it denies the post-Flood history in favor of the even more absurd theory of Cultural Darwinism, it denies the basic biblical narrative, it denies even the end times scenarios. Most importantly Darwinism is a direct denial of the Creator.
Now I understand the basic idea of giving people a little bit of leeway that they can learn. Some of the best arguments and points against Old Earth Mythology that I've ever seen or heard come from former darwinists/atheists. Ultimately the more you learn about either Old Earth Mythology or the Bible eventually a choice is going to arise wherein one must pick whether they believe the Bible or believe the Old Earth Mythology as the two are vastly different paradigms.
There's much more to go on too. Darwinism denies the Flood, it denies miracles, it denies the Biblical cosmology, it denies the post-Flood history in favor of the even more absurd theory of Cultural Darwinism, it denies the basic biblical narrative, it denies even the end times scenarios. Most importantly Darwinism is a direct denial of the Creator.
Now I understand the basic idea of giving people a little bit of leeway that they can learn. Some of the best arguments and points against Old Earth Mythology that I've ever seen or heard come from former darwinists/atheists. Ultimately the more you learn about either Old Earth Mythology or the Bible eventually a choice is going to arise wherein one must pick whether they believe the Bible or believe the Old Earth Mythology as the two are vastly different paradigms.
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I do believe what the Bible is trying to teach, its just we disagree on certain things we believe the bible teaches.
But this isn't something evolution started. For a while different variants of Christianity have existed, people all saying they believe the bible, but coming up with different and sometimes contradictory views.
A good example is communion. Some say that when Jesus was talking about the bread being his body, and the wine being his blood, he was simply being metaphorical/symbolic. While others read those passages in saying that supernaturally the bread and wine really do become the body and blood of Christ during communion.
In other words there are various views when it comes to communion, even though all are saying they believe in these passages.
And I am using my brain, no need for the insult
But this isn't something evolution started. For a while different variants of Christianity have existed, people all saying they believe the bible, but coming up with different and sometimes contradictory views.
A good example is communion. Some say that when Jesus was talking about the bread being his body, and the wine being his blood, he was simply being metaphorical/symbolic. While others read those passages in saying that supernaturally the bread and wine really do become the body and blood of Christ during communion.
In other words there are various views when it comes to communion, even though all are saying they believe in these passages.
And I am using my brain, no need for the insult
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There are various views on what "God's Image" means. If it was true that "God's Image" meant our physical appearance, then yes the ToE would contradict that. But some people believe being made in God's Image is not referring to our actual bodies. That it has to do with the Soul/Intelligence/relationship with God, etc. The ToE could not go against those versions of the Image of God
It is not exactly an "accident".
Misconceptions about evolution
But you have to remember that the theory of evolution does not deal with questions of theology/religion/God, it is neutral on those matters. For those who accept the ToE and also believe in God, clearly we are no accident. While an atheist who accepts the ToE would disregard their being an Intelligence behind the evolutionary process.
It is not exactly an "accident".
Misconceptions about evolution
But you have to remember that the theory of evolution does not deal with questions of theology/religion/God, it is neutral on those matters. For those who accept the ToE and also believe in God, clearly we are no accident. While an atheist who accepts the ToE would disregard their being an Intelligence behind the evolutionary process.
Well firstly, the Bible is of no private interpretation. So indeed man was made in the image of God, and woman in the image of man just as the Bible clearly says.
Now in regards to the "Accidents" in Darwinism, this is not a misconception. Basically the idea in old earth mythology (both Darwinism and beyond) is that everything is a chain reaction of random events. That is pretty much the definition of an accident.
The opposite of this would be intelligent and intent design. This is a good example for how one cannot really believe the Bible and old earth mythology at the same time. If one believes there is an intelligent Designer then they would have to believe what the Designer said about his own design which is vastly different than the old earth mythological view.
Now in regards to the "Accidents" in Darwinism, this is not a misconception. Basically the idea in old earth mythology (both Darwinism and beyond) is that everything is a chain reaction of random events. That is pretty much the definition of an accident.
The opposite of this would be intelligent and intent design. This is a good example for how one cannot really believe the Bible and old earth mythology at the same time. If one believes there is an intelligent Designer then they would have to believe what the Designer said about his own design which is vastly different than the old earth mythological view.
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Not exactly sure. I was just replying to "GodIsSalvation" saying, "man was made in God's image according to Bible and how that contradicts the darwinistic notion that we're accidents made in the image of apes".
I really brought up the idea of God's image referring to our bodies as a hypothetical idea, one in which evolution would contradict. But it does seem like some Christians have that notion that God's image is also referring to our bodies. Because I have heard various times on forums the whole, "We are made in the image of God not that of a Monkey".
I really brought up the idea of God's image referring to our bodies as a hypothetical idea, one in which evolution would contradict. But it does seem like some Christians have that notion that God's image is also referring to our bodies. Because I have heard various times on forums the whole, "We are made in the image of God not that of a Monkey".
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If there is no private interpretation why do Christians disagree with each other on so many things? I just mentioned earlier how Christians disagree on exactly the nature of the Communion, even though they believe in Jesus and believe the Communion holds importance.
From the scientific perspective it does appear like that, they can not use science to prove Mankind is all apart of God's plan. But as I mentioned earlier, even though evolution itself can not prove that, those who have faith can still accept the ToE while also believing that we are no accident.
From the scientific perspective it does appear like that, they can not use science to prove Mankind is all apart of God's plan. But as I mentioned earlier, even though evolution itself can not prove that, those who have faith can still accept the ToE while also believing that we are no accident.
I don't understand why that would necessarily lead one to think of physicality, especially given the fact that God is described as "Spirit." I most often hear "being made in God's image" as indicating a sort of trinity of immaterial aspects, intellectual (rational, volitional), moral, and social. Being made in His likeness means we share some of His characteristics.
There's many reasons for their disagreements, most of which seems to me to stem from the denominations which for the most part were founded by heretics whom tried to misinterpret or reinterpret the Bible for various reasons from simple misunderstandings to politically calculated machinations. Nevertheless it doesn't matter how hard they try, the Bible says very clearly that scripture is of no private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20).
From a scientific perspective, almost everything in the Old Earth Mythology is not scientific at all. Just about none of it can actually be observed or experimented upon. Just about all the proof for it is simply fake images, fake models, and theories.
One cannot believe in Darwin's theory of evolution and the Bible at the same time because the two contradict each other in almost every single way. One must at some point choose which one they believe. One can't really believe the Flood happened and at the same time believe it didn't happen. One can't really believe that man was made in the image of God and is the descendant of apes at the same time. One can't really believe that there is only a few thousand years of total existence and billions of years of existence at the same time.
From a scientific perspective, almost everything in the Old Earth Mythology is not scientific at all. Just about none of it can actually be observed or experimented upon. Just about all the proof for it is simply fake images, fake models, and theories.
One cannot believe in Darwin's theory of evolution and the Bible at the same time because the two contradict each other in almost every single way. One must at some point choose which one they believe. One can't really believe the Flood happened and at the same time believe it didn't happen. One can't really believe that man was made in the image of God and is the descendant of apes at the same time. One can't really believe that there is only a few thousand years of total existence and billions of years of existence at the same time.
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Ok I don't understand this point. Why can't God create humans in his image while our bodies came about over a long time through the process of evolution?
After all, God created me even though biologically speaking I came about through a mother and father and a certain development before coming out of the womb. So its not impossible for God to use natural process to create life, so why couldn't he have used evolution for our bodies?
After all, God created me even though biologically speaking I came about through a mother and father and a certain development before coming out of the womb. So its not impossible for God to use natural process to create life, so why couldn't he have used evolution for our bodies?
Quite simply because that's not how God said he did it. The Bible is very specific about how God created man from the dust and in his image. Even gives you the specific time, Day 6. It goes back to the notion that if you believe there is a Creator then the creation was made how he says it was made.
Aside from that just the enormous void of actual evidence for the Old Earth Mythology and the amount of hoaxes, fraud, and deceit employed by the institutions that promote it indicates it is utterly false.
Aside from that just the enormous void of actual evidence for the Old Earth Mythology and the amount of hoaxes, fraud, and deceit employed by the institutions that promote it indicates it is utterly false.