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I know that there are some Mormons that truly love God and their are some Catholics that truly love God. But what are you supporting. The gospel of Christ or the works of the so called church. No seriously lil sis, examine what you are doing and reference it to the bible. Your life is at stake, this is serious and no joke. Get out of it as fast as you can. Find a church that is filled with The Spirit and souls are being saved and people are being healed and the Bible is taught and not the Book of Mormon.
Lil sis, you are what you are and what you have been taught. I praise God that you are interested in the things of God at your age. But, there comes a time when you must choose and that time is now.
Lil sis, you are what you are and what you have been taught. I praise God that you are interested in the things of God at your age. But, there comes a time when you must choose and that time is now.
K
Lil sis, I was going to bed, but I had to come back and say this. Which one of these animals are concerned about what they will tomorrow? They do what God say's. Doe's the sparrow worry and squirm about what he will eat. God feeds them well. How much more valuable are you. Gods masterpiece, lil sis the Mormon Church is a lie, I'm sorry to tell you that but it is the truth. I know that's hard to accept, but again it's the truth. Don't take my word, find out for yourself and pray and ask and seek and knock.
Maxwell, the Roman Catholic Church gave the world the 'Trinity' doctrine. Other Protestant churches adopted it into their theology. The Emperor Constantine gave birth to this 'Triune God' with his council of Bishops. Maxwell, you try to interpolate this theology into the scriptures like it existed from the beginning.
But should we really base our view of God on a doctrine that isn't spelled out in the Bible, that wasn't formalized until three centuries after the time of Jesus Christ and the apostles, that was debated and argued for decades (not to mention for centuries since), that was imposed by religious councils and creeds presided over by novices or nonbelievers and that was "decided by the method of trial and error"?We should not dare. We should instead look to the Word of God—not to ideas of men—to see how our Creator reveals Himself!
God Bless you.
We cannot afford to be arrogant or self-righteous. It is our obligation to reach out in helpfulness, not only to our own but to all others as well. (Gordon B. Hinckley; President and Prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.)
But should we really base our view of God on a doctrine that isn't spelled out in the Bible, that wasn't formalized until three centuries after the time of Jesus Christ and the apostles, that was debated and argued for decades (not to mention for centuries since), that was imposed by religious councils and creeds presided over by novices or nonbelievers and that was "decided by the method of trial and error"?We should not dare. We should instead look to the Word of God—not to ideas of men—to see how our Creator reveals Himself!
God Bless you.
We cannot afford to be arrogant or self-righteous. It is our obligation to reach out in helpfulness, not only to our own but to all others as well. (Gordon B. Hinckley; President and Prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.)
Maxwell, you said "Don't take my word, find out for yourself and pray and ask and seek and knock."
I did that thirty years ago and my answer that I received from God was The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I challenge you to do he same about the Book of Mormon.
Moroni 10:3-5 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts. And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
God Bless You
I did that thirty years ago and my answer that I received from God was The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I challenge you to do he same about the Book of Mormon.
Moroni 10:3-5 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts. And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
God Bless You
Kerry, John the Revelator in the Book of Revelation would disagree with you and a matter of fact He does.
Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Kerry I would recommend to you also to research. Let me offer a good place to start www.lds.org
Check out another couple of websites to educate yourself. Mormon.org | What is the Mormon Church and Religion?
Joseph Smith Prophet of God I share this with you out of love. Jesus loves you. God bless you.
Check out another couple of websites to educate yourself. Mormon.org | What is the Mormon Church and Religion?
Joseph Smith Prophet of God I share this with you out of love. Jesus loves you. God bless you.
Jimbone, check this out and see if this is real to you:
This is some of the blessings the righteous will receive and will be doing and be like after we die and overcame this world…. .............
Matt 25:21..ruler over many things…Rev 1:6.we will be Kings and priests unto God........Rev 2:7..we will eat of... the tree of life, in the paradise of God.......Rev 2:17, we will eat hidden manna, will receive a white stone, and a new name in that white stone………Rev 3:5..We will be clothed in white raiment…Rev 3:21.."I will grant u to sit with me in my throne, even as I overcame, and am set down with my father in his throne………Rev 9:15…we will be before the throne of God, serving him day and night in his temple. Acts 17: 29 - "we are the offspring of God."
Romans 8: 17 - "heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ.
2 Corinthians 3: 18 - "changed into the same image from glory to glory."
Galatians 4: 7 - "if a son, then an heir of God through Christ."
Ephesians 4: 13 - "Till we all come . . . unto a perfect man."
1 John 3: 2 - "when he shall appear, we shall be like him."
Revelation 3:21 - “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.”
What do you Think?
This is some of the blessings the righteous will receive and will be doing and be like after we die and overcame this world…. .............
Matt 25:21..ruler over many things…Rev 1:6.we will be Kings and priests unto God........Rev 2:7..we will eat of... the tree of life, in the paradise of God.......Rev 2:17, we will eat hidden manna, will receive a white stone, and a new name in that white stone………Rev 3:5..We will be clothed in white raiment…Rev 3:21.."I will grant u to sit with me in my throne, even as I overcame, and am set down with my father in his throne………Rev 9:15…we will be before the throne of God, serving him day and night in his temple. Acts 17: 29 - "we are the offspring of God."
Romans 8: 17 - "heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ.
2 Corinthians 3: 18 - "changed into the same image from glory to glory."
Galatians 4: 7 - "if a son, then an heir of God through Christ."
Ephesians 4: 13 - "Till we all come . . . unto a perfect man."
1 John 3: 2 - "when he shall appear, we shall be like him."
Revelation 3:21 - “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.”
What do you Think?
hi. i think isolating this verse takes it out of context and leads to confusion.
have a look at a more complete thought:
It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
(Hebrews 12:7-11)
Jesus had a rather famous confrontation with the Pharisees over fatherhood.
He told them that their father was the devil.
how many spiritual fathers can you have?
do you believe the devil creates men?
i believe that all things through Christ were made, and without Him nothing that was made has been made, and that He and the Father are one; that He does nothing except what He sees the Father doing.
as humans, we are all created by Him and through Him, and we are all sons of Adam, but we do not all have one father.
Just as the sower and the seed, the farmer knows what happens with crops after planting season is over. Jesus explains the spiritual planting and how certain terrain effects the seed relating to what the farmer already knows. A child understands the disciplinary actions of their parents knowing their love, and the writer of Hebrews explains how a loving heavenly Father disciplines own His children. We then know where we stand if we are not chastened.
You are right, he context of Hebrews 12:9 is about chastisement and discipline and correction. But there was given to us in this scripture an interesting little glimpse of the pre-existence when it uses the term "Father of spirits". Since we know that we are the offspring of God in the spirit, this disciplinary scripture in Hebrews, just opens our minds a little wider to that possiblilty.
You are right about the context, but we are right about the term "Father of spirits". There is no confusion. The context is about discipline by our fathers. But it just inserts a term that most people don't even think about, "Father of spirits". The fathers of our flesh are 2 mortal beings, the Father of our spirit is God. A nice glimpse at the pre-existence.
i'm also right that this verse, isolated, shouldn't be used to say God is the spiritual father of all people.
we were at enmity with God, all of us, and only given the power to become sons of God through Christ.
there is no one good, not one, but God, and the devil is the spiritual father of all who remain at enmity with Him.
we were at enmity with God, all of us, and only given the power to become sons of God through Christ.
there is no one good, not one, but God, and the devil is the spiritual father of all who remain at enmity with Him.
Great scriptures for what we can be like after the resurrection if we are faithful. As you have studied this out, it becomes apparent that we are going to be very powerful, perfect individuals at the feet of Jesus, learning from him the mysteries of the Kingdom of God. How many thousands of years at the feet of Jesus do you think it will take for us to learn how to create? I like a couple of other scriptures to go along with these.
2 Peter 1:3-4
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
If we escape the corruption of the world, the Lord by his divine power will give us all things pertaining unto life and godliness! I think the word "godliness" should be capitalized. That is saying we can be like Him.
Hebrews 1:2
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things...
Jesus is the heir of all that the Father has, and we are joint-heirs with Christ of all that the Father has(Romans 8:17).
I don't know if you have ever thought about it, but what does the Father have that would be interesting to have
yourself?
Romans 8:17 You ended this before the end of the scripure which says, "...that we may be also glorified together.
Again, if we overcome the world as Jesus did, we will have the opportunity to sit with him in his throne, and the Bible guarantees that we will be a glorious person, just like Jesus. The Bible declares that you will have at your fingertips all that the Father has, even the power and knowledge to create. What an incredible future is in store for the those who believe and do what Jesus tells us to do (overcome the world).
2 Peter 1:3-4
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
If we escape the corruption of the world, the Lord by his divine power will give us all things pertaining unto life and godliness! I think the word "godliness" should be capitalized. That is saying we can be like Him.
Hebrews 1:2
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things...
Jesus is the heir of all that the Father has, and we are joint-heirs with Christ of all that the Father has(Romans 8:17).
I don't know if you have ever thought about it, but what does the Father have that would be interesting to have
yourself?
Romans 8:17 You ended this before the end of the scripure which says, "...that we may be also glorified together.
Again, if we overcome the world as Jesus did, we will have the opportunity to sit with him in his throne, and the Bible guarantees that we will be a glorious person, just like Jesus. The Bible declares that you will have at your fingertips all that the Father has, even the power and knowledge to create. What an incredible future is in store for the those who believe and do what Jesus tells us to do (overcome the world).
Yes the "Father of spirits" is definitely something to consider when reading this scripture along with verses 7 and 8. Where we will "never"(there's that word again
) agree is the belief that we were angels before our birth, being "sons of God" (angelic term) along with "children of God" through Christ. What should draw the attention of everryone that reads this verse is that it is "PAST" tense. So rhetorically what is Hebrews 12:7-9 referencing?
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence : shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live ?
1. The writer is describing to the reader a situation that they are already familiar with.
2. He uses this familiarization to parallel the truth of how God disciplines His children, and why.
3. The love of the Father is exemplified, and as God's children we know we are not bastards.
4. We respect our heavenly Father by adhering to His commands, and following His desire for us.
5. The term "we have had fathers" is past tense so we are able to comprehend our present position.
6. Comprehension of the "Father of spirits" love and care is then seen in truth,
7. Only in comparison (after this fact) of an earthy father can one relate the depth of God's love being the "Father of spirits".
This is likened unto the mystery of the church and Christ that relates to the husband and wife.
Speaking of "the Father of Spirits" let's dig a little deeper in relation to Revelation.
Revelation 1:4, Revelation 3:1, Revelation 4:5, Revelation 5:6,
John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is , and which was , and which is to come ; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write ; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest , and art dead. And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. And I beheld , and, lo , in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Last of all let's also bring forth the spirit of the adversary.
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. (Revelation 16:14)
I believe that God is the "Father of spirits".
) agree is the belief that we were angels before our birth, being "sons of God" (angelic term) along with "children of God" through Christ. What should draw the attention of everryone that reads this verse is that it is "PAST" tense. So rhetorically what is Hebrews 12:7-9 referencing? 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence : shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live ?
1. The writer is describing to the reader a situation that they are already familiar with.
2. He uses this familiarization to parallel the truth of how God disciplines His children, and why.
3. The love of the Father is exemplified, and as God's children we know we are not bastards.
4. We respect our heavenly Father by adhering to His commands, and following His desire for us.
5. The term "we have had fathers" is past tense so we are able to comprehend our present position.
6. Comprehension of the "Father of spirits" love and care is then seen in truth,
7. Only in comparison (after this fact) of an earthy father can one relate the depth of God's love being the "Father of spirits".
This is likened unto the mystery of the church and Christ that relates to the husband and wife.
Speaking of "the Father of Spirits" let's dig a little deeper in relation to Revelation.
Revelation 1:4, Revelation 3:1, Revelation 4:5, Revelation 5:6,
John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is , and which was , and which is to come ; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write ; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest , and art dead. And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. And I beheld , and, lo , in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Last of all let's also bring forth the spirit of the adversary.
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. (Revelation 16:14)
I believe that God is the "Father of spirits".
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I am not quite sure what your point is, but if you are saying that the term "Father of spirits" means that the devil is the "Father of spirits", because of some enmity problem, I believe you are off on this one. So you will have to try much harder to convince me that satan, who was a powerful spirit created by God, and who was thrown out of heaven by God, is the "Father of spirits" mentioned in Hebrews 12:9 and had the power to create. I don't think so, but give it a shot.
I did read your whole post, but your final thought is what I am reponding to.
I believe this too. I also know that there were spirit beings in the pre-existence, and I know there were "sons of God" in the pre-existence that shouted for joy as the earth was being prepared. (Job 38:3-7). So I really don't think its a gigantic leap of faith to come up with "spirit children of God." Especially if we know that God is the "Father of spirits".
It is a concept that will have to grow on you. One day you will come across scriptures that will make you think about what we have discussed and who knows someday it may make sense to you.
But I would like to see you in Utah, so keep me informed.
Is there another topic that you would like to explore?
I believe this too. I also know that there were spirit beings in the pre-existence, and I know there were "sons of God" in the pre-existence that shouted for joy as the earth was being prepared. (Job 38:3-7). So I really don't think its a gigantic leap of faith to come up with "spirit children of God." Especially if we know that God is the "Father of spirits".
It is a concept that will have to grow on you. One day you will come across scriptures that will make you think about what we have discussed and who knows someday it may make sense to you.
But I would like to see you in Utah, so keep me informed.
Is there another topic that you would like to explore?
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I wrote you a PM about the reunion. I will search through the thread about other things I have brought up that haven't been discussed yet. I will check back and refer you to those said posts. Thanks brother. Give me time. I appreciate your time, but to confirm something that I have never seen in scripture is very unlikely to be convincing to me. (smile)
