Mormons / Latter Day Saints

[VCO]

You yourself do not follow the Jesus of the bible. He said He came to save all! Even the Mormon.
You are not acting out of love, but your own work. I know you will not listen, but if you are correct and have the true Christ living in you, then why do you die? What is your sin? Death is defeated by Christ correct?

The difference between me and you is that if I die, I go the way of the prophets before me. Because my message is that death is beaten and that we have the power to end all evil in love and forgiveness. You look the same as a Mormon in the grave. There is no Mormon in either death or love!

The born again human spirit, is already perfect and will not ever die again, but the human body has a Sin Nature inherited from Adam, and we only get rid of it in Resurrection:

1 Corinthians 15:51-55 (NKJV)
[SUP]51 [/SUP] Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed--
[SUP]52 [/SUP] in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[SUP]53 [/SUP] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[SUP]54 [/SUP] So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."
[SUP]55 [/SUP] "O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?"


You did not thoroughly read what I wrote, did you. I said those who believe in a false Christ, are blaspheming the Holy Spirit, because it is HE who is trying to get you to believe in the Real Jesus Christ of the Bible.

That is the only sin anyone goes to hell for. The rest were paid for on the Cross.

Mark 3:28-29 (NKJV)
[SUP]28[/SUP] "Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter;
[SUP]29 [/SUP] but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"--

Matthew 25:46 (HCSB)
[SUP]46 [/SUP] “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Matthew 25:41 (KJV)
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Romans 11:20-23 (ESV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.

Die in your UNBELIEF of the Jesus of the Bible, and you seal your own fate, and thus that is the ONE AND ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin of blaspheming the work of the Holy Spirit.

John 15:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

Now HOW is fervently sharing the truth with you NOT LOVE?

 

[VCO]

. . . You look the same as a Mormon in the grave. There is no Mormon in either death or love!

I will not be in that grave, only this Old House, my body. And I will be finished with this old body of sin. I will be with my Lord in Heaven, instantly after death.

2 Corinthians 5:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.




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[Flamingspirit]

The born again human spirit, is already perfect and will not ever die again, but the human body has a Sin Nature inherited from Adam, and we only get rid of it in Resurrection:

1 Corinthians 15:51-55 (NKJV)
[SUP]51 [/SUP] Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed--
[SUP]52 [/SUP] in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[SUP]53 [/SUP] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[SUP]54 [/SUP] So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."
[SUP]55 [/SUP] "O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?"


You did not thoroughly read what I wrote, did you. I said those who believe in a false Christ, are blaspheming the Holy Spirit, because it is HE who is trying to get you to believe in the Real Jesus Christ of the Bible.

That is the only sin anyone goes to hell for. The rest were paid for on the Cross.

Mark 3:28-29 (NKJV)
[SUP]28[/SUP] "Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter;
[SUP]29 [/SUP] but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"--

Matthew 25:46 (HCSB)
[SUP]46 [/SUP] “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Matthew 25:41 (KJV)
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Romans 11:20-23 (ESV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.

Die in your UNBELIEF of the Jesus of the Bible, and you seal your own fate, and thus that is the ONE AND ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin of blaspheming the work of the Holy Spirit.

John 15:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

Now HOW is fervently sharing the truth with you NOT LOVE?

If you have yet to put on incorruption, then act like you still need a savior. Remember Christ's work is to save all. So when any man or Mormon comes to Him, He will forgive and not cast out.

Jesus said all manner of sin and blasphemies will be forgiven. Therefore blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is saying that He can't or wont forgive of any sin or blasphemy.

Mormons see Christ differently from you but you will send them to the lake for it while Christ will forgive them.

VCO, THIS is the fire we are in. We are dying in the midst of a risen savior because of blaspheme. Mormon as well as the form of Christianity you adhere to will continue to burn until the only things left are those who have finally decided to do away with those garments and walk again naked and not ashamed before our Father.

 

[Flamingspirit]

I want to avoid the grave however and be of the generation that is transformed.

 

[VCO]

If you have yet to put on incorruption, then act like you still need a savior. Remember Christ's work is to save all. So when any man or Mormon comes to Him, He will forgive and not cast out.

Jesus said all manner of sin and blasphemies will be forgiven. Therefore blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is saying that He can't or wont forgive of any sin or blasphemy.

Mormons see Christ differently from you but you will send them to the lake for it while Christ will forgive them.

VCO, THIS is the fire we are in. We are dying in the midst of a risen savior because of blaspheme. Mormon as well as the form of Christianity you adhere to will continue to burn until the only things left are those who have finally decided to do away with those garments and walk again naked and not ashamed before our Father.

1 John 1:8 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 1:10 (NKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Romans 7:16-17 (ESV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

Romans 7:20-23 (ESV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.

Philippians 3:12 (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me.

Romans 14:23 (NKJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

Acts 13:21-22 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Then they asked for a king, so God gave them Saul the son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, for 40 years.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] After removing him, He raised up David as their king and testified about him: ‘I have found David the son of Jesse, a man loyal to Me, who will carry out all My will.’

NOW, humble yourself, learn, confess you are a sinner, and repent!

Psalm 51:1-12 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Be gracious to me, O God, according to Your lovingkindness; According to the greatness of Your compassion blot out my transgressions.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity And cleanse me from my sin.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For I know my transgressions, And my sin is ever before me.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Against You, You only, I have sinned And done what is evil in Your sight, So that You are justified when You speak And blameless when You judge.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Behold, You desire truth in the innermost being, And in the hidden part You will make me know wisdom.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Purify me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Make me to hear joy and gladness, Let the bones which You have broken rejoice.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Hide Your face from my sins And blot out all my iniquities.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Create in me a clean heart, O God, And renew a steadfast spirit within me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Do not cast me away from Your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Restore to me the joy of Your salvation And sustain me with a willing spirit.

THAT IS AFTER GOD SAID DAVID WAS A MAN AFTER HIS OWN HEART.

REPENT!

1 John 1:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Confess in that verse is in the Greek perfect tense, which we do not have in English, it implies a lifestyle of continually striving to do that verb. You do not arrive at Sinlessness in this body, it comes with the resurrected body, IF YOU ARE A GENUINE BELIEVER IN THE JESUS OF THE BIBLE, SUBMITTING TO HIS LORDSHIP.

John 14:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

A living a lifestyle of continually confessing each new sin as you discover it in yourself.

It sounds to me like all that has happened is you ASSUMED you already arrived, and stopped examining yourself for new sins.

 

[Flamingspirit]

1 John 1:8 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 1:10 (NKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Romans 7:16-17 (ESV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

Romans 7:20-23 (ESV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.

Philippians 3:12 (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me.

Romans 14:23 (NKJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

Acts 13:21-22 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Then they asked for a king, so God gave them Saul the son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, for 40 years.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] After removing him, He raised up David as their king and testified about him: ‘I have found David the son of Jesse, a man loyal to Me, who will carry out all My will.’

NOW, humble yourself, learn, confess you are a sinner, and repent!

Psalm 51:1-12 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Be gracious to me, O God, according to Your lovingkindness; According to the greatness of Your compassion blot out my transgressions.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity And cleanse me from my sin.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For I know my transgressions, And my sin is ever before me.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Against You, You only, I have sinned And done what is evil in Your sight, So that You are justified when You speak And blameless when You judge.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Behold, You desire truth in the innermost being, And in the hidden part You will make me know wisdom.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Purify me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Make me to hear joy and gladness, Let the bones which You have broken rejoice.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Hide Your face from my sins And blot out all my iniquities.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Create in me a clean heart, O God, And renew a steadfast spirit within me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Do not cast me away from Your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Restore to me the joy of Your salvation And sustain me with a willing spirit.

THAT IS AFTER GOD SAID DAVID WAS A MAN AFTER HIS OWN HEART.

REPENT!

1 John 1:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Confess in that verse is in the Greek perfect tense, which we do not have in English, it implies a lifestyle of continually striving to do that verb. You do not arrive at Sinlessness in this body, it comes with the resurrected body, IF YOU ARE A GENUINE BELIEVER IN THE JESUS OF THE BIBLE, SUBMITTING TO HIS LORDSHIP.

John 14:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

A living a lifestyle of continually confessing each new sin as you discover it in yourself.

It sounds to me like all that has happened is you ASSUMED you already arrived, and stopped examining yourself for new sins.

All these verses with no understanding of them. Again I know you won't listen. I examine my self daily and come the same conclusion that I am no better than the worst sinner I can think of.

That is why I do not lean on my own understanding and can humbly learn even from a Mormon. But in love I am perfect because I know that "thou shalt not's" only exists when men step out of love and into hate.

 

[Flamingspirit]

True confession is not counting every sin but in understand we all in the same boat.

Not being hypocritical in saying that you are a sinner but you will be saved and the Mormon sinner won't.

Of a truth those who do such, upon their deaths will hear the Lord say "I never knew you".

He who does not gather, scatters abroad.

Now I say that if you really have an issue with Mormons, then do away with the things in your power to control first like world homelessness and hunger. Then if you want to keep telling Mormons they are going to burn in Hell then go for it!

But odds are you would then be too busy enjoying your life in the Lord to worry about something so minuscule.

 

[VCO]

I want to avoid the grave however and be of the generation that is transformed.

AMEN!

And here is how you can be in the Bride of Christ, spiritually avoiding the Grave, or transformed and caught up with HIM in the Clouds to go to the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven:

Revelation 2:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

John 1:12-13 (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP] who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 3:3-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord,{which means Master} continue to live in Him,

Romans 10:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess {not just PROFESS} with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Romans 5:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

 

[VCO]

True confession is not counting every sin but in understand we all in the same boat.

Not being hypocritical in saying that you are a sinner but you will be saved and the Mormon sinner won't.

Of a truth those who do such, upon their deaths will hear the Lord say "I never knew you".

He who does not gather, scatters abroad.

Now I say that if you really have an issue with Mormons, then do away with the things in your power to control first like world homelessness and hunger. Then if you want to keep telling Mormons they are going to burn in Hell then go for it!

But odds are you would then be too busy enjoying your life in the Lord to worry about something so minuscule.

I will speak the Truth to any and all unsaved:

Acts 20:27 (ESV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] for I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God.

 

[Flamingspirit]

AMEN!

And here is how you can be in the Bride of Christ, spiritually avoiding the Grave, or transformed and caught up with HIM in the Clouds to go to the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven:

Revelation 2:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

John 1:12-13 (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP] who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 3:3-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord,{which means Master} continue to live in Him,

Romans 10:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess {not just PROFESS} with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Romans 5:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

Let me put it in plain language. If we want to be a part of this generation, give up using money and by it respect of persons, make all things common in order to live in peace and we will.

 

[crossnote]

Let me put it in plain language. If we want to be a part of this generation, give up using money and by it respect of persons, make all things common in order to live in peace and we will.

It's not the money that is wicked, it's man's hearts.

 

[Flamingspirit]

It is of the world and old man to believe that you have to work for a pay check in order to survive. But if we have 18 million homes empty and only 3 million homeless in America, then let's do something the old man will never do and give those houses away. Then the new man will be seen by the world.

 

[VCO]

All these verses with no understanding of them. Again I know you won't listen. I examine my self daily and come the same conclusion that I am no better than the worst sinner I can think of.

That is why I do not lean on my own understanding and can humbly learn even from a Mormon. But in love I am perfect because I know that "thou shalt not's" only exists when men step out of love and into hate.

I used to put it in my Prison Ministry, "We are as great a sinner, as the worst mass murderer on Death Row, in God's opinion." And then back that statement up with:

James 2:8-10 (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

 

[Flamingspirit]

It's not the money that is wicked, it's man's hearts.

Again no child is born with knowledge of good or evil. These things are taught by the wicked generation before them. If I were a human trafficer I am not doing it because I'm evil at heart but because I was taught that lifestyle and it PAYS WELL! I can feed my family. But if money is taken out of the equation and the things I need to take care of my family made available without cost to no one, then I would no longer kidnap kids.

 

[Flamingspirit]

I used to put it in my Prison Ministry, "We are as great a sinner, as the worst mass murderer on Death Row, in God's opinion." And then back that statement up with:

James 2:8-10 (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

This is true! So what I'm saying is that if you see this, then love should be your way towards the Mormon who is the same. This is true confession.

 

[VCO]

It is of the world and old man to believe that you have to work for a pay check in order to survive. But if we have 18 million homes empty and only 3 million homeless in America, then let's do something the old man will never do and give those houses away. Then the new man will be seen by the world.

I take it you, have never seen the utterly trashed HUD houses, and Reservation housing that was given to people free of charge. If they do not have their own efforts, and some of their own money invested in it, many have no appreciation at all for the Government hand out. That is a sad fact of life. Get them involved in the remodeling and/or part time work in lieu of a payments. And then you may have a real plan that works.

 

[VCO]

This is true! So what I'm saying is that if you see this, then love should be your way towards the Mormon who is the same. This is true confession.

Since you cannot see my heart, you need to know, my motive for talking to them certainly is out of LOVE and Concern that they have fallen for a False Prophet, and are on the broad road to destruction without even knowing it.

I repeat, "How is loving them enough to tell them the truth, NOT LOVE?"

 

[Flamingspirit]

I take it you, have never seen the utterly trashed HUD houses, and Reservation housing that was given to people free of charge. If they do not have their own efforts, and some of their own money invested in it, many have no appreciation at all for the Government hand out. That is a sad fact of life. Get them involved in the remodeling and/or part time work in lieu of a payments. And then you may have a real plan that works.

This again is within the system of the old man. No payments, no money. Just provide not the available houses but mass hands on training to learn of the very best of technology. This is the new man. No one owns anything. It is all ours! That means you can live in one place and then decide to move freely to another of your choosing.

 

[VCO]

Again no child is born with knowledge of good or evil. These things are taught by the wicked generation before them. If I were a human trafficer I am not doing it because I'm evil at heart but because I was taught that lifestyle and it PAYS WELL! I can feed my family. But if money is taken out of the equation and the things I need to take care of my family made available without cost to no one, then I would no longer kidnap kids.

OH are you wrong about the sin nature we are born with.

Put two 2 year old children on a rug, and ONE toy between them and watch how fast the sin of selfishness raises it's ugly head.

Your example is a bit twisted in my opinion. Strange, very strange.

 

[VCO]

This again is within the system of the old man. No payments, no money. Just provide not the available houses but mass hands on training to learn of the very best of technology. This is the new man. No one owns anything. It is all ours! That means you can live in one place and then decide to move freely to another of your choosing.

Where have I heard that before? Wasn't it Karl Marx? That concept of everyone owns everything co-equally, FAILED MISERABLY.