Most Christians presently are in spiritual bondage to Satan

[joefizz]

Do you understand "The Law of the Mind" (Rom. 7:23)? Did you know that most Christians operate under "The Law of the Mind?" Did you know that the sin nature re-activates when this is done? Did you know that when a Christian functions in "The Law of the mind'" they enter into "The Law of Sin and Death?" Do you know that Satan has a legal right to take you captive because of "The Law of Sin and Death?

Did you know that asking a bunch of questions at once is just as foolish as "assuming" that "most Christians" are in spiritual bondage to satan if not more so?

 

[Blain]

Return to the Cross and you will hear, see, and understand. See post # 155.

[h=1]Galatians 4:16 King James Version (KJV)[/h]

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[FONT=&][SUP]16 [/SUP]Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?[/FONT]​

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Exactly my point, instead of actually trying to have a civil debate to prove your case you resort to accusing me of not being of cross and worst of all you defile the scriptures by using them to do so you clearly have no respect of the sacred verses. I am not one to report people but if you continue to slander everyone on here and keep making false accusation of others spiritual standing then I will not hesitate to report you. I could care less if you did this to just me but I will not stand for any more of your attacks on everyone else here who you don't even know and have no right to be attack so senselessly

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

How about you stop copy-pasting irrelevant commentaries and answer the question?


Your post 126: “Any one that calls themselves a Christian and doesn't understand the Cross of Christ is as necessary for sanctification as it is for salvation (1 Cor. 1:18) has fallen from grace. That is why most Christian are in spiritual bondage to Satan. They have entered the law of sin and death (the works of the flesh - Gal 5:19-21). Christ has become of no benefit to them. “



Your post 138: "Only truth sets us free. That truth must be who Christ is, and what Christ has done. A slave to Christ is a free man. Justification is not what you do, it is what you believe. Righteousness is award by Faith placed and maintained in our Perfect Sacrifice Christ (who He is), and Him Crucified (what He has done)."

My response, posts 141: "So if it's based on who Christ is and what He has done, how can our limited understanding cause us to fall from that grace?"

Your reply, post 145: "Because of unbelief! When your faith is not placed in Christ and Him Crucified, you are marked as a enemy of the Cross because of your unbelief."

My response, post 147 "First you're talking about limited understanding, and then you claim it's because of unbelief! Which is it? They aren't the same thing!"

Your response now is a NON SEQUITUR.



If you choose to respond, please answer this question: in your view, do salvation and sanctification depend on FAITH or on UNDERSTANDING?


If on faith, then how can limited understanding in any way cause a believer to fall from grace?

I can't answer in my view...I recognize my moral and spiritual poverty, that there is no good and hope in me. I know I am unable to serve the LORD in my own strength, my own ability, and power. Without Jesus I can do nothing. But today I confess and place and maintain my Faith exclusively in Your beloved Son Jesus in whom You are please and the Cross of Calvary where the victory was won, so that His life would be lived through me. And I receive all the benefits ofthis Resurrection Life by understanding that we have been planted together (Christ and myself) in the likeness of His Death (Romans 6:3-5).

 

[joefizz]

Where did you get this from?

Need you ask?

 

[Dino246]

I can't answer in my view...I recognize my moral and spiritual poverty, that there is no good and hope in me. I know I am unable to serve the LORD in my own strength, my own ability, and power. Without Jesus I can do nothing. But today I confess and place and maintain my Faith exclusively in Your beloved Son Jesus in whom You are please and the Cross of Calvary where the victory was won, so that His life would be lived through me. And I receive all the benefits ofthis Resurrection Life by understanding that we have been planted together (Christ and myself) in the likeness of His Death (Romans 6:3-5).

Dodge.

I suspect the truth is closer to "JSM has no entries related to this question. This question requires independent thought."

 

[joefizz]

Wow... this thread has some serious confusion going on. I'm making popcorn.

Kettle or buttered?

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Did you know that asking a bunch of questions at once is just as foolish as "assuming" that "most Christians" are in spiritual bondage to satan if not more so?

For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increases knowledge increases sorrow. ​

Ecclesiastes 1:18 ("Wisdom" without God only brings "griefs." "Knowledge" without God only brings "sorrow. "This is not to say that these attributes are disapproved of by the Lord. The meaning is that even these lofty ideals will bring no satisfaction without Christ.)

​The "Tree of Life" (Psalm 1:3)
The Way Of The Spirit

Focus: The Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6)
Object Of Faith: The Cross of Christ (Romans 6:1-14)
Power Source: The Holy Spirit (Romans 8:1-2, 11)
Results: Victory (Romans 6:14)

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The "Tree of the knowledge of good and evil" (Genesis 2:17)
Man's Way

Focus: Works.
Object Of Faith: Performance.
Power Source: Self.
Results: Defeat!

Everything that mans does dies; everything Jesus does lives forever and is blessed.Psalm 1:3
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[MessageOfTheCross]

Dodge.

I suspect the truth is closer to "JSM has no entries related to this question. This question requires independent thought."

That's your biggest problem and sin...your flesh!

Denial of self is recognizing my moral and spiritual poverty that I am unable to serve God in my own strength and power. We see this in the first three "Beatitudes." Romans 8:13, Zechariah 4:6

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:3

Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Matthew 5:4

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5

Take up his cross is seen in Matthew 5:6; Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

I am filled by God's provisions found in Christ by placing my Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified (Believing who Jesus is, and what Jesus has done). Therefore I receive all the benefits of this "Resurrection Life" by understanding that we have been planted together [Christ and ourselves] in the likeness of His Death [Romans 6:5, Psalm 103:2].

Without the knowledge of the Cross for sanctification, you will die (spiritually).

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The Way Of The Spirit

Focus: The Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6)
Object Of Faith: The Cross of Christ (Romans 6:1-14)
Power Source: The Holy Spirit (Romans 8:1-2, 11)
Results: Victory (Romans 6:14)

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Man's Way

Focus: Works.
Object Of Faith: Performance.
Power Source: Self.
Results: Defeat!​

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[joefizz]

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God's answer to fear, anxiety, panic attacks, worry, discouragement, bipolar, oppression, bondage, depression, or any care, situation, and problem that life may bring, is to apply the Cross to the problem . 2 Tim. 1:7, 1 Peter 5:7-11, Matthew 6:33; 11:29-30

And he said to them all, If any man will come after Me (the criteria for Discipleship), let him deny himself (not asceticism as many think, but rather that one denies one's own willpower, self-will, strength, and ability, depending totally on Christ), and take up his cross (the benefits of the Cross, looking exclusively to what Jesus did there to meet our every need) daily (this is so important, our looking to the Cross; that we must renew our Faith in what Christ has done for us, even on a daily basis, for Satan will ever try to move us away from the Cross as the Object of our Faith, which always spells disaster), and follow Me (Christ can be followed only by the Believer looking to the Cross, understanding what it accomplished, and by that means alone [Rom. 6:3-5, 11, 14; 8:1-2, 11; 1 Cor. 1:17-18, 21, 23; 2:2; Gal. 6:14; Eph. 2:13-18; Col. 3:14-15]). Luke 9:23
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For whosoever will save his life shall lose it (try to live one's life outside of Christ and the Cross): but whosoever will lose his life for My sake, the same shall save it (when we place our Faith entirely in Christ and the Cross, looking exclusively to Him, we have just found "more Abundant Life" [John 10:10]) Luke 9:24

As far as trying to do something as it concerns taking up the Cross daily, we are to do nothing. In fact, it was already done at Calvary some two thousand years ago. On a daily basis, we should reinforce our Faith in Christ and what He has done for us at the Cross (Rom. 6:3-5; 8:2, Gal. 2:20-21, Col. 2:10-15). This is the "Truth" which we must learn, act upon, and continue to act upon, which guarantees the help of the Holy Spirit.

We are not wrestling against flesh and blood. Satan has been defeated through the Cross. Principalities and powers have been spoiled (Col. 2:15). We are enforcing this victory through applying the Cross of Calvary to the pulling down strongholds by placing and maintain our Faith exclusively in Christ and the Finished Work at Calvary Cross where the victory was won, i.e., "The Blood of Jesus." Our source of Power is the Holy Spirit and the Word of God.

The LORD shall fight for you, and you shall hold your peace (Exodus 14:14). "In Justification, the Lord fights 'for' us, and in Sanctification, He fights 'in' us."

Two kinds of peace
1. Justifying Peace - This is Peace with God, a legal standing. Rom. 8:7; Eph. 2:14-15
2. Sanctifying Peace - This is the Peace of God in the heart. Rom. 8:6; 14:19; 15:13; Gal. 1:3

The first is the result of a legal standing. The second is the result of the Work of the Holy Spirit. The first is static, never fluctuates, the second changes almost from hour to hour. The first, every Christian has, the second, every Christian may have.

Sanctifying peace allows the Holy Spirit to deliver the Believer into the death of Christ so Christ life is manifested through the Believer (2 Cor. 4:11, Gal. 2:20-21, Romans 8:2; 13, John 14:21).

We have been given the keys of the Kingdom (Matthew 16:19). This gives us the authority to "bind" and "loose." "Binding" ties Satan's hands and stops his power to "steal, kill, and destroy," likewise, the "loosing" releases all that Jesus did at Calvary and the Resurrection. "Binding" has to do with the spirit world of darkness while "loosing" has to do with the Spirit world of Light. To "bind" means to restrict, stop, hinder, fetter, check, hold back, arrest, or put a stop to. To "loose" means to untie, unbind, unlock, liberate, release, forgive, or free.

The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)...the only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27). The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23). If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).

1. Jesus Christ is the source of all blessings.
2. The Cross is the means by which all blessings are given.
3. The object of our faith must be Christ and the Cross.
4. That being done, the Holy Spirit will greatly help us.

JSM and Brother John Eckhardt

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Pure ridiculousness,you apply Jesus/The Holy Spirit to "problems" not "the cross" get it right.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Pure ridiculousness,you apply Jesus/The Holy Spirit to "problems" not "the cross" get it right.

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We must never separate Christ from His finished work or the finished work from Christ. Of course, we know that Jesus is no longer on the Cross. In fact, He is presently in heaven, seated by the right hand of the Father (Eph. 2:6; Heb. 1:3). What we are actually talking about are the results of the Cross.

JSM​

 

[Dino246]

That's your biggest problem and sin...your flesh!​

Another utter non sequitur.

If and when you start thinking for yourself instead of copy-pasting the thoughts of others, you may discover that your soteriology, while using biblical terms, is not actually biblical.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Another utter non sequitur.

If and when you start thinking for yourself instead of copy-pasting the thoughts of others, you may discover that your soteriology, while using biblical terms, is not actually biblical.

And I hope every person on this form study and copy this. This is meat...not milk! Let my people go, says the LORD!

 

[joefizz]

Why are you assuming that Dino has rejected Jesus Christ or what He did on the cross for us?
Nothing Dino has ever written on this forum would give one that impression.

Disagreeing with your gigantic straw-man is not the same as rejecting Jesus Christ...

Simple he's "desperate" merely trying to swing the conversation around with more "presumption" with whoever doesn't "agree" with him same old "not able to stand by doctrine" tactics.

 

[kaylagrl]

​See v.14 in the black. Out-of-season-fruit = the supernatural.

I asked for two explanations. You gave one. The Bible does not speak of out of season fruit. If you mean supernatural say it. Again,what is the definition of out of season fruit? and triple moral ability. Im beginning to think even you dont know what you believe.

 

[joefizz]

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We must never separate Christ from His finished work or the finished work from Christ. Of course, we know that Jesus is no longer on the Cross. In fact, He is presently in heaven, seated by the right hand of the Father (Eph. 2:6; Heb. 1:3). What we are actually talking about are the results of the Cross.

JSM​

(I've no interest in repetitive parroting unsound doctrine individuals perhaps when you move past "obeying someone" and start "Trusting God/Jesus" I might take your banter seriously)

 

[Laish]

Another utter non sequitur.

If and when you start thinking for yourself instead of copy-pasting the thoughts of others, you may discover that your soteriology, while using biblical terms, is not actually biblical.

And I hope every person on this form study and copy this. This is meat...not milk! Let my people go, says the LORD!

yep he has a great point . I copied Dino’s post real meat in that one .
Blessings
Bill

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

I asked for two explanations. You gave one. The Bible does not speak of out of season fruit. If you mean supernatural say it. Again,what is the definition of out of season fruit? and triple moral ability. Im beginning to think even you dont know what you believe.

It appears your ability to hear, see, and understand has been taken away as we learn from the scriptures (triple moral ability). This means your oil must be replenished; the light has gone out!

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

(I've no interest in repetitive parroting unsound doctrine individuals perhaps when you move past "obeying someone" and start "Trusting God/Jesus" I might take your banter seriously)

...and whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous person's reward. (Matthew 10:41)

 

[kaylagrl]

It appears your ability to hear, see, and understand has been taken away as we learn from the scriptures (triple moral ability). This means your oil must be replenished; the light has gone out!

You are seriously brain washed.You sound like someone in a cult. Explain to me the doctrine of triple moral ability as found in the Bible. Chapter and verse please.

 

[kaylagrl]

Thank you for the rep comment.