Most Christians presently are in spiritual bondage to Satan
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The sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit mortifies the deed of the flesh by changing my condition into my position which is perfect and Holy because God has declared us justified (not guilt and innocent).
As a Christian we were "set free" the moment we are saved - "made free" speaks of a process. "Set Free," i.e., instantaneous - "Made Free, " i.e., You should know the truth and the truth shall make you free (John 8:32, John 14:6). "Made Free" = sanctification.
Two kinds of peace
1. Justifying Peace - This is Peace with God, a legal standing. Rom. 8:7; Eph. 2:14-15
2. Sanctifying Peace - This is the Peace of God in the heart. Rom. 8:6; 14:19; 15:13; Gal. 1:3
The first is the result of a legal standing. The second is the result of the Work of the Holy Spirit. The first is static, never fluctuates, the second changes almost from hour to hour. The first, every Christian has, the second, every Christian may have.
As a Christian we were "set free" the moment we are saved - "made free" speaks of a process. "Set Free," i.e., instantaneous - "Made Free, " i.e., You should know the truth and the truth shall make you free (John 8:32, John 14:6). "Made Free" = sanctification.
Two kinds of peace
1. Justifying Peace - This is Peace with God, a legal standing. Rom. 8:7; Eph. 2:14-15
2. Sanctifying Peace - This is the Peace of God in the heart. Rom. 8:6; 14:19; 15:13; Gal. 1:3
The first is the result of a legal standing. The second is the result of the Work of the Holy Spirit. The first is static, never fluctuates, the second changes almost from hour to hour. The first, every Christian has, the second, every Christian may have.
Well, there is such a thing as Holy Spirit Laughter and it definitely works in my life. Some might call it Holy Spirit Wine. It's absolutely divine! May the Lord pour you a glass that is bottomless!
Oh, do please laugh! It's our medicine! It does us good!
The ONLY thing better than His Wine, is His LOVE......................May He pour you a glass of that, too!!!
God bless you, Message! Be FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, in the Name of Jesus! Amen.
Oh, do please laugh! It's our medicine! It does us good!
The ONLY thing better than His Wine, is His LOVE......................May He pour you a glass of that, too!!!
God bless you, Message! Be FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, in the Name of Jesus! Amen.
We are not drunk as you suppose........................this is that, that was spoken of the prophet Joel................
Go ahead, get you a glass! Bottoms Up! Taste and see that the Lord is good!!
K
In 20 yrs of ministry I cant begin to tell you all the stories of some of these double speak "evangelists" and their crazy methods to try and be popular. One guy use to meet with the women of the church in a graveyard at night to "pray". Or he would turn the lights out in a room with women and "pray". Dude was scary enough with the light on! No way would I trust him in a dark room! Ive heard and seen so many gimmicks. And we would go in and preach Jesus Saves and His blood will cleanse you and make you new. Many people would come out and say "that was so simple,I haven't heard preaching like that in years". We saw people saved that had been in church most of their lives. The message is clear enough for a child to understand,yet these people want to obscure the way and I believe they will be judged for it,if they make it to heaven themselves.
i can say most Christians are in bondage to satan, because i believe that to be True. Do most Christians knowingly and willingly commit sin, yes or no? If you say "Yes, most Christians do indeed knowingly and willingly commit sin" Then how do you say they are not in bondage to it? If they can't stop from it, how is that not bondage to it?
Do you believe there are many or few who do not commit sin, even as i don't? Many or few? IF than only a few find that narrow and difficult path that leads to life everlasting, how is it not correct in saying that MOST Christians are in bondage to satan.
i would guess your definition of bondage to sin is different than my definition of it. Scriptures teach that those who continue to live in sin are in bondage to sin. If you would like to see the Scriptures then click HERE to read the article on it.
True, however if most Christians are indeed knowingly and willingly committing sins, then it would be correct in saying Most Christians are in bondage.
If Jesus is greater in a person, than why would they obey satan and commit sin? Don't get me wrong, i 100% agree that Jesus in me, is GREAT, for every single temptation that comes my way, HE helps me to overcome it, so YES, He is AWESOME, without Him, i would not be able to walk as He did. So yes He is Great in us. But if a person is knowingly and willingly obeying satan when they are tempted to commit a sin, how is Jesus Great in that person? Did Jesus help that person overcome that temptation? Where is the Power and Strength of Jesus Christ to overcome that temptation?
True, Is it not written. your master is to whom you obey? Yes that is written. Therefore if a Christian continually obeys satan and commits sins, knowingly full well they are sinful, but continues to do them anyways, how is that not in bondage to satan? i use to be in bondage to smoking, i did not want to cease from it, did not want to quit from it. And even when i wanted to quit from smoking i could not do so, i was most certainly in bondage to smoking. But then i gave them up for Jesus, not for me, not for family, not for my health, not for anything but giving them up for Jesus. He freed me from that bondage, it was His power and strength that helped me to overcome smoking. And he did not only do that for my smoking, but for my anger issues, for my porn issues, for my fornication issues, for adultery issues, for my lusting issues, for my pride issues, for my ________ issues, too many to even list. But Jesus Christ helped me with them all. Now i am free from all those things that held me in bondage, because He is most certainly GREAT in me, and could be in you as well.
i am sorry, but i agree with the statement that most Christians are even now in bondage to satan. Is it not written:
1Jn_3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
So all those Christians who knowingly and willingly commit sin, which is NOT righteous AT ALL, how are they not in bondage to satan if they continue to live in those sins that they CAN'T cease from? Scriptures even calls those who can't cease from sin "Cursed Children"
Scriptures teach who is and who are not covered by His Blood, listen to the verse:
1Jn_1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him (saved), and walk in darkness (sinning), we lie, and do not the truth: But IF (CONDITIONAL) we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
These verses only do not teach that, ALL of Scriptures teaches that too.
That may be True, however i can say for certain, any Christian who knowingly and willingly obeys Jesus Christ enemy, and does that which they know full well is sinful yet does it anyways, WITHOUT ceasing from it, is even now in bondage to that sin, because they are not seeking Jesus to help them overcome it.
Now instead of addressing what i actually said above, please respond like you usually do, that i am a self proclaimed prophet who believes my screen name will be mentioned by Jesus on Judgment Day.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Do you believe there are many or few who do not commit sin, even as i don't? Many or few? IF than only a few find that narrow and difficult path that leads to life everlasting, how is it not correct in saying that MOST Christians are in bondage to satan.
i would guess your definition of bondage to sin is different than my definition of it. Scriptures teach that those who continue to live in sin are in bondage to sin. If you would like to see the Scriptures then click HERE to read the article on it.
True, however if most Christians are indeed knowingly and willingly committing sins, then it would be correct in saying Most Christians are in bondage.
If Jesus is greater in a person, than why would they obey satan and commit sin? Don't get me wrong, i 100% agree that Jesus in me, is GREAT, for every single temptation that comes my way, HE helps me to overcome it, so YES, He is AWESOME, without Him, i would not be able to walk as He did. So yes He is Great in us. But if a person is knowingly and willingly obeying satan when they are tempted to commit a sin, how is Jesus Great in that person? Did Jesus help that person overcome that temptation? Where is the Power and Strength of Jesus Christ to overcome that temptation?
True, Is it not written. your master is to whom you obey? Yes that is written. Therefore if a Christian continually obeys satan and commits sins, knowingly full well they are sinful, but continues to do them anyways, how is that not in bondage to satan? i use to be in bondage to smoking, i did not want to cease from it, did not want to quit from it. And even when i wanted to quit from smoking i could not do so, i was most certainly in bondage to smoking. But then i gave them up for Jesus, not for me, not for family, not for my health, not for anything but giving them up for Jesus. He freed me from that bondage, it was His power and strength that helped me to overcome smoking. And he did not only do that for my smoking, but for my anger issues, for my porn issues, for my fornication issues, for adultery issues, for my lusting issues, for my pride issues, for my ________ issues, too many to even list. But Jesus Christ helped me with them all. Now i am free from all those things that held me in bondage, because He is most certainly GREAT in me, and could be in you as well.
i am sorry, but i agree with the statement that most Christians are even now in bondage to satan. Is it not written:
1Jn_3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
So all those Christians who knowingly and willingly commit sin, which is NOT righteous AT ALL, how are they not in bondage to satan if they continue to live in those sins that they CAN'T cease from? Scriptures even calls those who can't cease from sin "Cursed Children"
Scriptures teach who is and who are not covered by His Blood, listen to the verse:
1Jn_1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him (saved), and walk in darkness (sinning), we lie, and do not the truth: But IF (CONDITIONAL) we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
These verses only do not teach that, ALL of Scriptures teaches that too.
That may be True, however i can say for certain, any Christian who knowingly and willingly obeys Jesus Christ enemy, and does that which they know full well is sinful yet does it anyways, WITHOUT ceasing from it, is even now in bondage to that sin, because they are not seeking Jesus to help them overcome it.
Now instead of addressing what i actually said above, please respond like you usually do, that i am a self proclaimed prophet who believes my screen name will be mentioned by Jesus on Judgment Day.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
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So here is the message of the cross as Swaggart sees it...
http://www.jsm.org/message-cross.html
I find it very hard to believe that he,being in ministry as long as he has been did not understand our problem is sin. That seems to be a new revelation to him. He then says God gave him a revelation as to the answer for sin,the message of the cross. Odd but someone else talked about the problem of sin and the answer...
[FONT="]We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.[/FONT]
[FONT="]21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord![/FONT]
It is Christ who delivers us from sin! Its not a new revelation,its not mysterious.Simple.
Another thing bothered me. Swaggart says " “When a person is down, and can do nothing to defend himself, and anyone can do any negative thing to him they so desire, and will not only not be reprimanded, but rather applauded, then one finds out just how many true Christians there really are. Tragically, there aren’t many!”
It seems that Swaggart forgot that he described Jim Baker as a cancer that needed to removed because of his sin. Swaggart is not a victim. He had an addiction that he needed to take to the Lord. He mentions his prayer life,I do not believe Swaggart spent hours in prayer and was still able to go and visit prostitutes. His conscience alone would not allow him to do such a thing. I do not believe he was down on his face before God one moment and then cheating with a prostitute the next.
All that being said the answer to our sin nature is simple,Jesus delivers us from sin. When we fail we go to him.That does not mean the cross is not important, the cross is the means of our healing,salvation,redemption of mankind. Christians know this,it is a simple message. And when tv evangelists continually come up with new "revelations" it makes me angry. Ive seen so many people that have come to me with false doctrine and made up foolishness they saw on TBN by one pastor or another. People are so confused and as I said,I believe these people will have to answer for what they have done.
My goodness, man... you have things bass-ackwards for sure! Follow the context of the thread... we were discussing someone who had ALREADY put his faith in Christ, His death, and His resurrection.
First you're talking about limited understanding, and then you claim it's because of unbelief! Which is it? They aren't the same thing!
First you're talking about limited understanding, and then you claim it's because of unbelief! Which is it? They aren't the same thing!
13 Therefore speak I to them in Parables(in order to separate those who hunger and thirst for Righteousness from those who don't): because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand (that is, they do not wish to see or hear or understand; and hence by a just judgment they lose this triple moral ability).
14 And in them (those who reject the Cross [1 Cor. 1:23]) is fulfilled the Prophecy of Isaiah, which says, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive (a willing deafness, a willful blindness, and a willful dullness; this Passage is quoted in one form or the other some seven times in the New Testament [Mat. 13:14-15; Mk. 4:12; LK. 8:10; Jn. 12:39-40; Acts 28:26-27; Rom. 11:8]):
JSM
Please study this and never forget this:
Jesus Explains the Purpose of Speaking in Parables
Matthew 13:10-14
10 And the Disciples came, and said unto Him(seems to pertain to a later time when they were alone), Why do you speak to them in Parables? (This portrays consternation on their part!)
10 And the Disciples came, and said unto Him(seems to pertain to a later time when they were alone), Why do you speak to them in Parables? (This portrays consternation on their part!)
11 He answered and said unto them(concerns the Lord's method of dealing with two different classes of people, those who really wanted to know God's way and those who were merely curious), Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, but to them it is not given (two categories are here presented; in which category are you?)
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12 For whosoever has(and wants more), to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance (if one wills Righteousness, the Lord wills more Righteousness to them): but whosoever has not (no interest for more), from him shall be taken away even that he has
(he not only loses what he could have had, but even that which he has; to those who accept the Cross, they will have even more, and to those who reject the Cross, they will lose everything, even that which they previously had).12 For whosoever has(and wants more), to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance (if one wills Righteousness, the Lord wills more Righteousness to them): but whosoever has not (no interest for more), from him shall be taken away even that he has
13 Therefore speak I to them in Parables(in order to separate those who hunger and thirst for Righteousness from those who don't): because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand (that is, they do not wish to see or hear or understand; and hence by a just judgment they lose this triple moral ability).
14 And in them (those who reject the Cross [1 Cor. 1:23]) is fulfilled the Prophecy of Isaiah, which says, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive (a willing deafness, a willful blindness, and a willful dullness; this Passage is quoted in one form or the other some seven times in the New Testament [Mat. 13:14-15; Mk. 4:12; LK. 8:10; Jn. 12:39-40; Acts 28:26-27; Rom. 11:8]):
JSM
The Cross of Christ is as necessary for sanctification as it is for salvation (1 Cor. 1:18).
13 Therefore speak I to them in Parables (in order to separate those who hunger and thirst for Righteousness from those who don't): because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand (that is, they do not wish to see or hear or understand; and hence by a just judgment they lose this triple moral ability).
14 And in them (those who reject the Cross [1 Cor. 1:23]) is fulfilled the Prophecy of Isaiah, which says, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive (a willing deafness, a willful blindness, and a willful dullness; this Passage is quoted in one form or the other some seven times in the New Testament [Mat. 13:14-15; Mk. 4:12; LK. 8:10; Jn. 12:39-40; Acts 28:26-27; Rom. 11:8]):
JSM
Please study this and never forget this:
Jesus Explains the Purpose of Speaking in Parables
Matthew 13:10-14
10 And the Disciples came, and said unto Him(seems to pertain to a later time when they were alone), Why do you speak to them in Parables? (This portrays consternation on their part!)
10 And the Disciples came, and said unto Him(seems to pertain to a later time when they were alone), Why do you speak to them in Parables? (This portrays consternation on their part!)
11 He answered and said unto them(concerns the Lord's method of dealing with two different classes of people, those who really wanted to know God's way and those who were merely curious), Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, but to them it is not given (two categories are here presented; in which category are you?)
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12 For whosoever has(and wants more), to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance (if one wills Righteousness, the Lord wills more Righteousness to them): but whosoever has not (no interest for more), from him shall be taken away even that he has (he not only loses what he could have had, but even that which he has; to those who accept the Cross, they will have even more, and to those who reject the Cross, they will lose everything, even that which they previously had).
12 For whosoever has(and wants more), to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance (if one wills Righteousness, the Lord wills more Righteousness to them): but whosoever has not (no interest for more), from him shall be taken away even that he has (he not only loses what he could have had, but even that which he has; to those who accept the Cross, they will have even more, and to those who reject the Cross, they will lose everything, even that which they previously had).
13 Therefore speak I to them in Parables (in order to separate those who hunger and thirst for Righteousness from those who don't): because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand (that is, they do not wish to see or hear or understand; and hence by a just judgment they lose this triple moral ability).
14 And in them (those who reject the Cross [1 Cor. 1:23]) is fulfilled the Prophecy of Isaiah, which says, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive (a willing deafness, a willful blindness, and a willful dullness; this Passage is quoted in one form or the other some seven times in the New Testament [Mat. 13:14-15; Mk. 4:12; LK. 8:10; Jn. 12:39-40; Acts 28:26-27; Rom. 11:8]):
JSM
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Then it is clear you don't know who is the enemy of the cross. your username is message of the cross but tell me since when was the message of the cross slandering the church and pointing the finger accusing others of being controlled by satan and telling people how they are lost and the enemy of cross? The message of the cross is about hope and salvation it's about bringing others into the arms of our Lord and honoring the work that was done on the cross. All you seem to do is accuse and do you know whose message is to accuse? the accuser the real enemy of the cross satan. In all your doing you think your message is of God but all I see is the satans.
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How about you stop copy-pasting irrelevant commentaries and answer the question?
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Your post 126: “Any one that calls themselves a Christian and [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]doesn't understand [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]the Cross of Christ is as necessary for sanctification as it is for salvation (1 Cor. 1:18) [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has fallen from grace[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. That is why most Christian are in spiritual bondage to Satan. They have entered the law of sin and death (the works of the flesh - Gal 5:19-21). Christ has become of no benefit to them. “[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Your post 138: "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Only truth sets us free. That truth must be who Christ is, and what Christ has done. A slave to Christ is a free man. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Justification [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is not what you do, it[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] is what you believe.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] Righteousness is award by Faith placed and maintained in our Perfect Sacrifice Christ (who He is), and Him Crucified (what He has done)."
My response, posts 141: "So if it's based on who Christ is and what He has done, how can our limited understanding cause us to fall from that grace?"
Your reply, post 145: "Because of unbelief! When your faith is not placed in Christ and Him Crucified, you are marked as a enemy of the Cross because of your unbelief."
My response, post 147 "First you're talking about limited understanding, and then you claim it's because of unbelief! Which is it? They aren't the same thing!"
Your response now is a NON SEQUITUR.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]If you choose to respond, please answer this question: in your view, do salvation and sanctification depend on FAITH or on UNDERSTANDING?[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]If on faith, then how can limited understanding in any way cause a believer to fall from grace?[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Your post 126: “Any one that calls themselves a Christian and [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]doesn't understand [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]the Cross of Christ is as necessary for sanctification as it is for salvation (1 Cor. 1:18) [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has fallen from grace[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. That is why most Christian are in spiritual bondage to Satan. They have entered the law of sin and death (the works of the flesh - Gal 5:19-21). Christ has become of no benefit to them. “[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Your post 138: "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Only truth sets us free. That truth must be who Christ is, and what Christ has done. A slave to Christ is a free man. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Justification [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is not what you do, it[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] is what you believe.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] Righteousness is award by Faith placed and maintained in our Perfect Sacrifice Christ (who He is), and Him Crucified (what He has done)."
My response, posts 141: "So if it's based on who Christ is and what He has done, how can our limited understanding cause us to fall from that grace?"
Your reply, post 145: "Because of unbelief! When your faith is not placed in Christ and Him Crucified, you are marked as a enemy of the Cross because of your unbelief."
My response, post 147 "First you're talking about limited understanding, and then you claim it's because of unbelief! Which is it? They aren't the same thing!"
Your response now is a NON SEQUITUR.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]If you choose to respond, please answer this question: in your view, do salvation and sanctification depend on FAITH or on UNDERSTANDING?[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]If on faith, then how can limited understanding in any way cause a believer to fall from grace?[/FONT]