Music in Church?

[posthuman]

Psa 66:13-15 "I will go into thy house with burnt offerings: I will pay thee my vows, Which my lips have uttered, and my mouth hath spoken, when I was in trouble. I will offer unto thee burnt sacrifices of fatlings, with the incense of rams; I will offer bullocks with goats. Selah."

Will you literally, strictly offer animal sacrifices as David

yes!

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
(Romans 12:1)

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss:
but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(1 Corinthians 3:15)

 

[SeaBass]

yes!

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
(Romans 12:1)

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss:
but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(1 Corinthians 3:15)

Neither of those two verses speak anything about a literal animal sacrifices as David offered in Psa 66.

 

[posthuman]

What is water music??

a symphony by Handel?

[video=youtube_share;Kuw8YjSbKd4]http://youtu.be/Kuw8YjSbKd4[/video]

i like this piece, but am unaware if it was written for sacred purpose.

edit:
ok no, he wrote this for the king to listen to as he cruised around in his pleasure barge.
but this is the same guy who wrote the famous 'hallelujah chorus'

 

[Joidevivre]

I have heard the sounds of heaven in a cello.
The voice of the Lord weeping in a violin.
The joy of the Lord in a tambourine.
Angel's wings in a flute.
The peace of the Lord in a harp.

In a church.

 

[MsLimpet]

a symphony by Handel?

[video=youtube_share;Kuw8YjSbKd4]http://youtu.be/Kuw8YjSbKd4[/video]

i like this piece, but am unaware if it was written for sacred purpose.

Lol, doubt it. I am familiar with this "piece" although, very nice

 

[JesusistheChrist]

That is a rather absurd representation of this parable. This parable is not about the methodology of worship. In fact it is not about worship at all. It is about embracing the brother who sinned and repented. You can't make scripture say just anything you want it to.

There's nothing the least bit "absurd" about what I've stated here. Here are the verses which immediately precede the parable which I've already cited:

Luke chapter 15

[1] Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
[2] And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.
[3] And he spake this parable unto them, saying,
[4] What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
[5] And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
[6] And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
[7] I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
[8] Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it?
[9] And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost.
[10] Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

The Pharisees and scribes had been murmuring because Jesus "received sinners and ate with them". To counter their unjust murmuring, Jesus told parables which all had to do with THE REJOICING AND JOY which takes place IN HEAVEN when one sinner repents. Well, part of said REJOICING in Jesus' parable of "The prodigal son" included MUSIC AND DANCING, didn't it? Why, then, would you or others believe that God is somehow adverse to the same? IOW, if MUSIC is acceptable in heaven itself in relation to REJOICING, then why isn't it acceptable here on earth?

 

[oldhermit]

I have heard the sounds of heaven in a cello.
The voice of the Lord weeping in a violin.
The joy of the Lord in a tambourine.
The angels in flight in a flute.


In a church.

This is called existentialism. I too am a serious fan of classical music, especially the violin, but not when I am offering my songs to the Lord. I prefer to use the instrument he created for that purpose, not one created by the hands of men.

 

[posthuman]

Neither of those two verses speak anything about a literal animal sacrifices as David offered in Psa 66.

i'm literally an human animal, and i literally offer myself up, even to be consumed by fire, that my soul may be saved. there is also that we have an atonement in Christ Jesus -- has the Lord also fulfilled our burden to praise, so that we no longer have need to?

your pointing at animal sacrifices doesn't remove the use of musical instruments for praise from the Psalms.

 

[Blain]

ok so I tried to read all three pages but I decided to simply put my two cents in. I go to a church that is restricted to piano and choir. They music and songs do not speak to my heart because my heart tends to react to powerful passionate praises to God which I usually found a lot of church with guitars and and almost rock kind of music to do.

different music and different types of praises fit different ppl. for some my church would be perfect because it has a sort of serene feeling to it calm and beautiful but others may need a jumpy powerful and passionate type to really get them to praise God. I have yet to find one scripture that restricts the type of music and instruments to church or praising God and many here belief if it isn't in scripture than how can it be true? So really it is all a matter of ppl's opinions

 

[oldhermit]

There's nothing the least bit "absurd" about what I've stated here. Here are the verses which immediately precede the parable which I've already cited:

Luke chapter 15

[1] Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.
[2] And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.
[3] And he spake this parable unto them, saying,
[4] What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
[5] And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
[6] And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
[7] I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
[8] Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle, and sweep the house, and seek diligently till she find it?
[9] And when she hath found it, she calleth her friends and her neighbours together, saying, Rejoice with me; for I have found the piece which I had lost.
[10] Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

The Pharisees and scribes had been murmuring because Jesus "received sinners and ate with them". To counter their unjust murmuring, Jesus told parables which all had to do with THE REJOICING AND JOY which takes place IN HEAVEN when one sinner repents. Well, part of said REJOICING in Jesus' parable of "The prodigal son" included MUSIC AND DANCING, didn't it? Why, then, would you or others believe that God is somehow adverse to the same? IOW, if MUSIC is acceptable in heaven itself in relation to REJOICING, then why isn't it acceptable here on earth?

You are not explaining how any of this is about worship. This is talking about the rejoicing in a public celebration, not worship in the assembly.

 

[SeaBass]

i'm literally an human animal, and i literally offer myself up, even to be consumed by fire, that my soul may be saved. there is also that we have an atonement in Christ Jesus -- has the Lord also fulfilled our burden to praise, so that we no longer have need to?

your pointing at animal sacrifices doesn't remove the use of musical instruments for praise from the Psalms.

You are avoiding that as David use real instruments he made sacrifices with REAL animals as the OT required.

 

[Quake10]

I believe no certain type of genre is wrong. In a church id find rap, dubstep and such a bit weird, but its certainly not sinful. There is nothing in the Bible that says anything about genre to my knowledge. I believe lyrics determine whether a song is okay or nor

 

[MsLimpet]

ok so I tried to read all three pages but I decided to simply put my two cents in. I go to a church that is restricted to piano and choir. They music and songs do not speak to my heart because my heart tends to react to powerful passionate praises to God which I usually found a lot of church with guitars and and almost rock kind of music to do.

different music and different types of praises fit different ppl. for some my church would be perfect because it has a sort of serene feeling to it calm and beautiful but others may need a jumpy powerful and passionate type to really get them to praise God. I have yet to find one scripture that restricts the type of music and instruments to church or praising God and many here belief if it isn't in scripture than how can it be true? So really it is all a matter of ppl's opinions

I cannot find one scripture that says it is "okay" to use piano's and organs during worship. When you are driving in the car without the radio do you feel any emotion? Then you turn the radio on or cd and hear a song from your teenage years and all of a sudden you feel a reminiscent memory and your heart swells? That is the music, just like in worship...it should be you praising and worshiping instead of relying on music to do that for you.

 

[tourist]

Different strokes for different folks.

 

[JesusMyOnly]

Alright, I'm not angry with anyone. Thank you to all who answered presenting both sides of the belief. .. But before this turns really bad I think its okay to not post anymore. I'll study, pray and learn as I go. I was just curious.

 

[tourist]

I believe no certain type of genre is wrong. In a church id find rap, dubstep and such a bit weird, but its certainly not sinful. There is nothing in the Bible that says anything about genre to my knowledge. I believe lyrics determine whether a song is okay or nor

I am in agreement with you. I will add that it is the interpretation of the lyrics and not the lyrics themselves that determine whether a song is okay or not.

 

[notuptome]

Lol, doubt it. I am familiar with this "piece" although, very nice

CoC is big on water baptism as essential to salvation. It was a reference to their bad doctrine and no instruments in their churches.

Humor that must be explained.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[posthuman]

You are avoiding that as David use real instruments he made sacrifices with REAL animals as the OT required.

i'm not avoiding it at all. i told you directly; i am a living sacrifice (REAL), and Christ is our lamb (REAL). i think in fact you're avoiding the obvious use of musical instruments in the scripture, because you are talking about animal sacrifices instead of you know, the topic of this thread ..?

we can easily show you why blood sacrifices are no longer part of our worship: Christ has once and for all made atonement.
did Christ likewise once and for all make a joyful noise on an instrument of ten strings? that is not so easy to show.

 

[tourist]

So really it is all a matter of ppl's opinions

This is a statement of truth for what is usually debated on this site.

 

[JesusMyOnly]

Alright, I'm not angry with anyone. Thank you to all who answered presenting both sides of the belief. .. But before this turns really bad I think its okay to not post anymore. I'll study, pray and learn as I go. I was just curious.

Good idea JesusMyOnly.